Chat Session Logs

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<LS_Bill> 154
<MPx> 96
<Mike> 61
<Cliff> 55
<LS_Chad> 34
<glars> 21
<Jay> 31

4:29 pm:<Cliff> hello
4:30 pm:<Mike> hi
4:30 pm:<LS_Chad> Hey guys
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> Hello everyone.
4:33 pm:<Cliff> Hello
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> Hi Cliff, I haven't had a change to look at those pics you sent yet...will get back to you
4:34 pm:<Cliff> Excellent
4:34 pm:<Cliff> I have loads of rookie questions
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm sure it's just a matter of picking a color combination that works together well
4:35 pm:<glars> I am getting different daily highs for today for my es daily rth and 5 minute rth charts.
4:35 pm:<Cliff> i hope so
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> there are many color combo that produce less than satisfactory viewing
4:35 pm:<glars> my daily es shows 1295.25 as high for the day
4:35 pm:<glars> my 5 minute es shows 1289.75 as high for the day
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> what does the quotepage show? What feed as you using?
4:36 pm:<glars> any ideas of what is causing this?
4:36 pm:<glars> es is the feed
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> IB, eSignal, DTN.IQ ?
4:36 pm:<glars> ib and dtn
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> well, IB can be problematic with highs and lows UNLESS you have I/RT running all day from the open of the session.
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> what are the session hours for the ES related session you use?
4:37 pm:<glars> i had it running since 7 am
4:38 pm:<glars> i am using the 9:30-4:15pm
4:38 pm:<glars> session
4:38 pm:<glars> for both the daily and the 5 minute
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> which session is the instrument assigned to?
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> is that session number setup for 9:30 to 4:15 ?
4:39 pm:<glars> no,
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> see Setup: Instruments / Setup: Sessions
4:39 pm:<glars> i have both the charts setup to session overide
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, so you have the instrument assigned to an overnight session
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> and the charts are overriden to the day session
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> now it makes sense
4:40 pm:<glars> yes all sessions
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> the problem is this
4:40 pm:<glars> 4:30pm-4:15pm
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> at the session open time (the instrument's session) IRT sets the open, high, and low to zero
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> in your case this happens at 4:30 PM
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> thereafter, the first tick sets the open price, and the high and low is maintained by I/RT
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> IB does not send hi/lo/open info, just a stream of prices
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> Cliff, fire away when ready.
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> thus when 9:30 a.m. came around I/RT is still maintaining high/low for the overnight session, it does not reset the open/high/low for the day session at 9:30
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> if you want I/RT to track the open/high/low for the day session, then it is up to you to reset the open,high.low for overnight instruments at the day session open
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> this is trivial to do
4:43 pm:<Cliff> Chad, thank you--I didn't want to interfere with Bill and glars, but I guess it's somewhat of a free for all here
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> yep
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> just create a schedule that runs at 9:30 that runs the scan:
4:43 pm:<Mike> bill can use session override for charts as I do.
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(OP,0) AND SET(HI,0) and SET(LO,0)
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> run this scan on a quotepage that contains the instruments you wish to reset
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> thereafter I/RT will maintain the open,high,low from the incoming stream of prices
4:44 pm:<glars> ok, i will give that a try, thanks
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> and your daily high low will pair up with the intraday high low
4:44 pm:<Cliff> I'm wondering about getting the symbols I'm interested in into IRT: I gather that I can load them to your database from a text file but that I have to enter them 1 by 1 into a quote page--is that correct so far?
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> you can import from a text file....
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> File: Import: Ticker Symbols
4:45 pm:<MPx> good afternoon all
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> we supply a list of all NYSE stocks for example, and the S&P 500
4:45 pm:<Cliff> into a quote page?
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> you can also use the Screening feature....to grab basically all stocks...or those within a price range
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, I/RT imports the symbols and makes a qp
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> "Setup: Screen"
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> might want to read this Cliff
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tutorials/importingSymbols.htm
4:46 pm:<Cliff> I'm looking at it now
4:46 pm:<Cliff> when does the log of this chat become available
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> that tutorial is a little dated...but should give you some good info
4:46 pm:<Cliff> the info I had was from the Getting Started manual
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> I can post it right now...will have it up there right after chat is over
4:46 pm:<Cliff> I think it was dated to
4:47 pm:<Cliff> good, I'll get the link there
4:47 pm:<Mike> Hi Terry
4:47 pm:<Mike> Bill did you get my mail?
4:48 pm:<Terry> Hi.
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> snail mail?
4:48 pm:<Mike> yes
4:48 pm:<Cliff> related ? - let's say I want to be able to trade all the stocks I'm interested in pre-market, post-market, and regular session. Does that mean I have to have them entered 3 times
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> no, that's why they call it snail mail I guess
4:48 pm:<Mike> no Cliff
4:49 pm:<Cliff> time to update Getting Started I think :-)
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> setup the instrument, cliff, to the overall trading hours you wish to monitor
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> then use other "override" sessions in the chart setups to confine the chart to lesser periods of trading
4:49 pm:<Cliff> so in the case I described from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m?
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> like glars is doing with ES, it's setup for overnight continuous trading, but he uses session overrides to view just the day session
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, your 8 to 8 is the instrument's session
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> but use session 0 as the override in a chart to view the 930 to 4pm period for example
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> all times Eastern
4:51 pm:<Cliff> how do open, hi, lo, close get calcualted--is there a discreet value for pre, regular and post
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> since you are on west coast, session 0 will be the 630 to 1 pm session
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> it depends on the data feed
4:52 pm:<Cliff> i'm on the east coast
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> some feeds "transmit" a value of open, high, low, volume periodically, and I/RT simply receives it a sets it
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/chat/logs3/support011706.htm
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> oh okay
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> chat will be there Cliff right after it's over
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> DTNIQ for example updates these values over the feed
4:53 pm:<Cliff> Ok, I'm not sure what that means
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> but IB just sends a stream of trade prices so I/RT has to maintain the high, low as price changes occur
4:54 pm:<Cliff> Bear with me, I'm accustomed to RealTick which is a little more idiot-proof but also less flexible
4:54 pm:<Terry> bill, a question about deleting weekly data ...If I check delete weekly and click on "delete all data on file", that will only delete all weekly data, right? was scared it would delte all data.
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> gee I never heard real-tick described as idiot proof ;-)
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT is idiot proof for sure, if you're an idiot you'll never figure it out ;-)
4:56 pm:<Mike> lol
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> justing kidding around here cliff, that was a general statement not directed at you
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> just kidding ;-)
4:57 pm:<MPx> so have you worked out the IB/TWS < > DTN DL tick issue?
4:57 pm:<Cliff> no problem, I'm just a little overwhelmed with the granularity of functionality in IRT
4:57 pm:<Cliff> I'm wondering if I can ever get it all figured out! :-)
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> I know what you mean, Cliff, there are a lot of details. If we only supported on data feed, the product would be far simpler for sure
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> alot of functionality is data vendor dependent. Real-tick just works with their one data feed, they can be more definitive as a result
4:58 pm:<Cliff> right
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> one data feed (not "on data feed)
4:59 pm:<glars> i am having some strange results with my all sessions tpo plot for esh6 today
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, I've seen that too glars
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> it's holiday related
4:59 pm:<glars> right now it plots data for 1/10,1/11,1/3
5 pm:<glars> oh
5 pm:<LS_Bill> right exactly
5 pm:<Mike> glars I did this:P delete all TICK data for date 1/16
5 pm:<Cliff> I'm guessing thought that I'd need separate quote windows for pre, regular and post if I want data that is discreet to each session--if I didn't have that arrangment, I'm guessing my dispalyed Open would be for the premarket throughout the day
5 pm:<Mike> that fixed it all for me
5 pm:<glars> i dont have data for 1/16 though
5 pm:<LS_Bill> I have fixed most of that for our next release
5 pm:<glars> ok
5 pm:<MPx> u guys take advantage of the selling tonight?
5 pm:<Mike> if IRT open yesterday it might have gotten data for then!
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> the software was not properly considering the holiday dates
5:01 pm:<glars> ok
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> for overnight session instruments you might be able to work aorund the issue by using a new setting in Setup: Prefs: General
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> cliff...setup the symbol itself on the 24 hour session (in setup:instruments)...then have 3 individual charts...each chart has a "session override" in the chart prefs..create your own custom session (setup:prefs:sessions)...and assign 3 different session to the 3 charts
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> glars, see the checkbox titled "No holidays for overnight sessions"
5:02 pm:<Cliff> also need 3 individual quotesheets though as well, yes?
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> no cliff, each symbol is unique
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> so you can have only one open high low for the symbol
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> in the quotepage
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> this method will do fine for intraday data (minute bars, etc)...but if you need daily bars to match...that's a different story..and you'll need to setup a custom instrument for each custom sesion
5:03 pm:<Cliff> so let's say I'm following a universe of approx 400 stocks, some NYSE, some NASDAQ
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> read this Q&A for more information on that:
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/qa/a/60.htm
5:04 pm:<Cliff> would I have 1200 symbols in one quotesheet to cover the 3 sessions
5:04 pm:<glars> bill, i checked the no holidays for overnight sessions, what is supposed to happen?
5:04 pm:<Cliff> Chad was that last read suggestion for me
5:04 pm:<Mike> Hi Jay
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> yes
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> Cliff...give me more info on what you intend to do with the 3 sessions....that will help
5:04 pm:<Jay> Hello
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> will you need "daily" bars that are specific to the sessions?
5:04 pm:<Cliff> BTW, is chat availabel for help during the day, after the close, before the open?
5:05 pm:<Cliff> No
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> or do you just need to see intraday charts and data for these sessions only
5:05 pm:<Cliff> I don't think so
5:05 pm:<Cliff> intraday more than likely
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...then you can just have 3 charts open...each set to a different session override
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> one for 24 hour...one for overnight...one for RTH....whatever you want...can create a custom session from 9:30 to 10:30 if you want
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> then you could have your quotepage open as well with 400 symbols
5:06 pm:<Mike> Cliff I have things on 24 hr session, then I have 24 hr chrts, day charts, then could make say a 7 am to 7 pm chart and have vertical lines at 8:30 and 3 pm to distinguish the day session that way also graphically! pretty neat
5:06 pm:<Cliff> well now that I'm thinking about it, it would be nice in premarket to see prior day's regular and post-market--remember I'm dealing with things that cannot be done in RT
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> you can setup your system to multilink....meaning when you double click on a stock...all 3 charts will change to that symbol
5:06 pm:<Cliff> RT = RealTick
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> what data feed are you using with I/RT?
5:07 pm:<Cliff> but I could create chart showing yesterday's post and regular with today's pre
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> you might be able to do stuff like this with user variables Cliff
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> at the end of the day session you could have a scan setup to run automatically that does something like:
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(V#37, OP)
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> user variable #37 would then be set for each instrument, to the open price of the day session.
5:08 pm:<Cliff> none yet, I'm on demo version, but I was thinking that DTN would be best/cheapest--what is your experience with the best datafeeds
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> yes..you can show those kinds of things in columns with custom columns...
5:08 pm:<Cliff> best=most stable, reliable, and easy to use
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> eSignal
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> during the premarket you could set OP to 0 so it fills in with the first premarket trade
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> but not cheapest
5:09 pm:<Mike> DTN is good feed i hear also though
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> and you can view V#37 in the quotepage to see the open of the previous day session along with the open in the premarket period
5:10 pm:<Jay> I am Jay Froscheiser, from DTN.
5:10 pm:<Cliff> I'm still wondering whether I need 1200 symbols in quotesheet
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> DTN has gotten progressively better over the years yes. eSignal is a tab faster than DTN with historial downloads
5:10 pm:<Jay> Chad, can you provide any input as to what would makes Esignal more reliable, etc?
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> tad faster
5:11 pm:<Cliff> 1200 = 400 in universe x 3 sessions
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> the historical downloads have to do with I/RT needing to do a remote connect for each download, whereas eSignal keeps the pipe open so to speak.
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> just my experience Jay...primarily with speed of downloads....and it could have to do with the way I/RT interfaces with DTN
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm told that DTN will improve on this soon
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> hi Jay
5:12 pm:<Jay> good info.. things I need to know for sure!
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> one thing about DTN.IQ is that we do not get a precise time stamp for each tick
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> but DTN is certainly a good value
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> just the hh:mm of the trade
5:12 pm:<Jay> second resolution is currently running on our PRE production system, so Bill, you should be able to start looking at that
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT needs hh:mm:ss to properly time stamp the trade
5:12 pm:<Jay> Lonnie will be able to get you some details
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> great news!
5:13 pm:<Cliff> other than historical downloads, is eSig superior to DTN for fast, accurate intraday data
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> at present I/RT must rely on the local computer clock to stamp the trade
5:13 pm:<Mike> Jay I mighth switch to DTN from mytrack feed if charges are similiar or better
5:13 pm:<MPx> kill mYtrack already
5:13 pm:<Mike> I trade Russel futures only mainly
5:14 pm:<Jay> Its been a while since I have even heard the name MyTrack... I thought they had stopped selling feeds for 3rd party software
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> once we can peg each trade to the actual hh;mm;ss that will improve things considerably
5:14 pm:<Jay> Second Resolution, Continous contracts, and more coming in the next month if testing goes well
5:15 pm:<MPx> good
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> yes...that is one thing that eSignal provides that is very nice...the continuous contracts for futures
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> ES #F, etc
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> the continuous contract will plug another advantage eSignal has with their #F symbols
5:15 pm:<Jay> Mike, I would assume we are in the range of MyTrack. Overall, the quality and price combo (value) should be much better
5:15 pm:<MPx> I'm seeing continuos contracts on Esignal..whata dream
5:15 pm:<MPx> Jay no
5:16 pm:<Mike> ok Jay I look or have someone email if you like mike@derr.ws
5:16 pm:<Jay> Yah. I think Natalie is going to have cont. contracts done by the end of next week if all goes well
5:16 pm:<MPx> Mytrack is far worse
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> myTrack tick data downloading is very very slow, DTN.IQ is blazing fast in comparison
5:16 pm:<Cliff> DTN doesn't have continuous contracts?
5:16 pm:<MPx> I dumpedthem finally after 3 yeras
5:16 pm:<Jay> Mike, do me a favor. I am on the road, can you email me your contact info at jay.froscheiser@dtn.com?
5:16 pm:<Mike> yes
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> with eSignal, you can download 120 days of 1-min data on ES #F, and years of daily....sounds like DTN is working on this Cliff
5:17 pm:<Jay> No Cliff, not for daily charts.. YET... been a big hole that we just haven't got filled
5:17 pm:<MPx> Jay what's your position over at DTN?
5:17 pm:<Jay> You can get 120 days of 1 min on DTN for continuous contract @ES# for example. Daily is what we are working on
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT has some limited ability to create continuous data as contracts expire and rollover, but it's so much better when the data vendor supplies the data
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..nice
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, so the intra-day is continuous already
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> and I assume go much further back than 120 days on the daily, Jay?
5:18 pm:<Jay> Varies from day to day MPx. I am Director of our Equity Product lines.
5:18 pm:<Jay> Correct LS_Bill
5:18 pm:<MPx> ok..have you had any contact with the Capital Flow32 people?
5:19 pm:<Jay> Doesn't ring a bell MPx
5:19 pm:<MPx> ok
5:19 pm:<Mike> Jay have that for all futures?
5:19 pm:<Jay> Yes. Will be on all contracts
5:19 pm:<MPx> that's xclnt
5:19 pm:<Mike> ok good I check into cost comparison then thanks
5:19 pm:<Jay> Sorry folks, I didn't mean to hijack the chat... Just hear to learn about how I can better serve Irt users
5:20 pm:<MPx> oh!
5:20 pm:<MPx> how about same rate with no 1 year up front commitment?
5:20 pm:<Mike> Jay are you all marketing DTN on Macintosh's with IRT solution? Great unknown
5:20 pm:<Jay> Absolutely. Anytime someone asks about Mac, we send them Bill's way
5:21 pm:<MPx> Jay ...how about same rate with no 1 year up front commitment?
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> Jay, you can tell your windows clients the same thing ;-)
5:21 pm:<Jay> :)
5:22 pm:<MPx> ah..jay not touching my question
5:22 pm:<Mike> Other IRT news? TPO news???
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> there are still a lot of folks out there that think we are still a Mac company, exiled to the backwaters of OS X
5:22 pm:<Mike> need to advertise :)
5:22 pm:<Jay> MPx - I am working on some new pricing. IQFeed subscriptions should end up being a good deal monthly or annually
5:23 pm:<Jay> unfortunately, there is so much churn in people trading, that the only way to make money in data is to try to get some longer term deals.
5:23 pm:<MPx> well are you aware that IB supplies 10 days now?
5:24 pm:<Mike> I've been on IRT what 12 years or more now
5:24 pm:<MPx> and most people are satisfied with IB's free data?
5:24 pm:<MPx> you are losing traders to IB because of pricing alone
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> not everyone wants to open and fund an IB account just to get the data
5:25 pm:<Jay> can't compete with free!
5:25 pm:<MPx> you need to offer lower rates with no one year commitment...85-$100 range
5:26 pm:<Cliff> Chad, does this channel stay open for support or is it only used to host these Tuesday sessions
5:26 pm:<MPx> if someone is trading with less than 2500 Bill he best not be trading anyways!
5:26 pm:<MPx> lol
5:26 pm:<Jay> I have quite a few developers on IQFeed who compare us with IB tick by tick (quote by quote). They use IQFeed.
5:26 pm:<Mike> Cliff I am here 24/7 ,I' m long time IRT user :)
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> the man who never sleeps ;-)
5:27 pm:<Cliff> Mike, that's great, you're not with IRT?
5:27 pm:<MPx> IB has a responsibility which DTN and ESignal do not..as a result IB's live feed is faster
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> email questions to support is the best bet, drop in chat room and you may find something to chat with, maybe not
5:27 pm:<MPx> because they are a broker they are on a different CME feed line
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm here a few hours usually every Tuesday, and I just drop in occasionally otherwise for short periods here and there
5:28 pm:<Mike> I use IRT program and trader not work for them no
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> somebody to chat with (not something;-)
5:28 pm:<MPx> where as DTN and E Sig are on a slower one..you can really see it when the markets volume surges
5:28 pm:<Cliff> thanks Mike
5:29 pm:<Cliff> if IB's feed is faster, should we use it for 100 symbols and use DTN/eSig for the rest? Can that even be done?
5:30 pm:<Cliff> i.e., different data sources for different symbols--can that be done?
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT can handle only one realtime feed unless you run two instances of the software, not much point in that
5:31 pm:<MPx> nah..too much trouble
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> DTN.IQ gives you 1300 symbols
5:31 pm:<Cliff> I see
5:32 pm:<Mike> IB has symbol limit i recall
5:32 pm:<Cliff> yes 100, unless you're generating huge commissions, in which case they give you more
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> however, you could use eSignal or DTNIQ as the real-time source and do integrated trading with IB/TWS
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, didn't know that
5:32 pm:<Cliff> interesting idea, bill
5:33 pm:<MPx> who actually trades 100 symbols anyways...very few and if so they are funds and will not go to 3rd party data vendors for data.They go direct.
5:33 pm:<Cliff> I'm still wondering about 1200 symbols necessity
5:33 pm:<MPx> no need
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT works in conjunction with AutoTrader and NinjTrader software, both of which handle order execution with IB and other brokers
5:34 pm:<Cliff> does IRT work in conjuction with other DOMs
5:34 pm:<MPx> nope
5:34 pm:<MPx> not for now
5:34 pm:<Cliff> no one trades > 100 symbols, but I'm interested in following more than 100
5:35 pm:<MPx> I guess Trade maven is up next for platform integration
5:35 pm:<MPx> at once Cliff?
5:35 pm:<MPx> live?
5:35 pm:<Cliff> word on elitetrader is that Ninja and Trade Maven have been problematic recently although I have no idea how accurate those assessments are
5:35 pm:<Cliff> no not trade at once, but follow at once
5:35 pm:<Mike> yes Dan, many track many symbols live and scan on them
5:37 pm:<MPx> I would think that after 50 or so it becomes too much
5:37 pm:<Cliff> MPx, by too much do you mean overloading one's self or the IRT software
5:37 pm:<MPx> self
5:38 pm:<Jay> MPx, Esignal and IB are on the same RLC feed from CME. In the past, that feed would sometimes seem faster because it didn't aggregate ticks.
5:38 pm:<Jay> however, CME started aggregating ticks on that feed now due to volume so it actually is the same as the feed we have
5:38 pm:<MPx> yes last month
5:39 pm:<MPx> I read that
5:39 pm:<Jay> it was never a speed issue as much as a aggregated tick issue in very fast markets
5:39 pm:<MPx> correct6
5:39 pm:<MPx> correct*
5:39 pm:<MPx> would lag the feed as a result
5:39 pm:<Jay> I have an IQFeed developer who wrote an app to email me anytime IQFeed was off by more than a second from IB.
5:40 pm:<Jay> used to get emails quite often (6 months ago), but haven't seen any in the past month
5:40 pm:<MPx> xclnt
5:40 pm:<MPx> I should say that this all relates to CME eminis and Cbot bonds
5:41 pm:<MPx> incase you thought I meant across theboard
5:43 pm:<MPx> I use to be an Interquote customer but switched to Mytrack when DTN took over and required the one year commitment to get the same pricing I was paying all along. Now I'm IB/DTNMA and will decide in April if I go full DTNMA or ESignal.
5:43 pm:<MPx> I mean DTNIQ
5:44 pm:<Cliff> chad, you still here
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> Jay, DTN Market Access is what we call the historical server we offer our customers.
5:44 pm:<Jay> Hopefully we can keep/earn your business MPx
5:44 pm:<Jay> I have to run folks..
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> it's used by some IB users and by standalone DTN MA users who just use the historical data
5:44 pm:<Mike> good to see you her eJay
5:45 pm:<MPx> sure
5:45 pm:<MPx> thanks for dropping by
5:45 pm:<tuna> whos he with?
5:45 pm:<Mike> DTN
5:45 pm:<Mike> \
5:45 pm:<MPx> think I I was hard on the guy or too frank?
5:46 pm:<tuna> nope
5:46 pm:<MPx> k
5:46 pm:<tuna> everything u said was correct imo
5:47 pm:<MPx> k
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> I thinks it great that a key person at DTN drops in from time to time.
5:47 pm:<tuna> i use dtn too
5:47 pm:<Mike> yes agree Bill very nice
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> Jay has been w/ DTN for many years and has a great of responsibility there.
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> great deal of responsibility...
5:47 pm:<Mike> lucky we were able to meet him etc...
5:48 pm:<MPx> he should offer CME emini stand alone feed
5:48 pm:<MPx> ;-0
5:48 pm:<MPx> ;-)
5:48 pm:<Mike> Anyone try IRT on Intel Mac yet?
5:48 pm:<MPx> Bill is about to I think
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> I was very pleased to hear of the continuous contract hstorical and the tick timestamp improvements coming soon
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> I have a little news on Intel Macs
5:49 pm:<MPx> its' his responsibility to OS X users!
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> one of our clients is about to buy one and he asked the apple store rep to download I/RT and run it for him using "Rosetta"
5:49 pm:<MPx> yes would love not to deal with rollover
5:49 pm:<tuna> whats the allure of a mac anyway
5:49 pm:<tuna> ?
5:49 pm:<MPx> yes I was going to do the same this weekend
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> so far the report is positive, I/RT runs under Rosetta, at least the demo version does Yahoo Finance downloads, charting, etc.
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> the client is going to the apple store with his reg code to run live realtime feed either today or tomorrow
5:50 pm:<MPx> xclnt
5:51 pm:<Mike> just called my buddy who has intel mac here in town I think he back from macworld now so I can try soon also live data and my charts
5:51 pm:<MPx> BIll you what?
5:51 pm:<MPx> know*
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> hard to say what the performance drag will be with "rosetta"
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> know what?
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> what
5:51 pm:<Mike> rigne CPU be tons better once into Xcode2
5:51 pm:<MPx> it might actually be easier for you to work on universal binaries from the XP IRT than it is to do it from the OS X side
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm working with XVT regarding getting XVT under XCode
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> I should have more to say in a month
5:53 pm:<Mike> excellent :)
5:53 pm:<MPx> hmmm
5:53 pm:<Mike> at least a G5 chip compile
5:53 pm:<MPx> makes no sesne
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> there are lots of unknown issues, that may make it impossible for I/RT to ever be available in a universal binary for OS X
5:54 pm:<MPx> have youlooked into taking advantage of Intel's or AMD's dual core?
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> it's way to early to even look at that
5:55 pm:<MPx> yes I 'm slowly getting comfortable with dropping the mac alltoghter
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm trying to figure out if it's even possible to get I/RT compiled under Xcode
5:55 pm:<MPx> oh Bill I meant on the XP side not OS X
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> well, MPX, it not like we don't have a solution for you on "the other side"
5:55 pm:<MPx> hehe
5:55 pm:<MPx> the dark side
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT running under OS X utilizing the intel cpu is the goals
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> goal
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> cannot do anything about that under wndows/xp
5:56 pm:<Mike> should be able to Bill, if xvt alone can compile, and then apple has docs to convert code warrior projects etc... but sure you know how to do it
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> are you a computer programmer Mike?
5:57 pm:<Mike> right as end of year All macs have that chip
5:57 pm:<MPx> yes but my question was have you looked into XP/IRT taking advantage of Intel/AMD dual core chips..nothing to do with OS X here.
5:57 pm:<Mike> not recent one
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> no, I have not explored this at all
5:57 pm:<MPx> k
5:58 pm:<MPx> XP/IRT does have dual chip Xeon capabilities?
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> I/RT is multi-threaded to some extent so anything that keep the cpu's busier helps I/RT
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> however, I recently heard from an I/RT users running a AMD dual core CPU and he is getting XVT crashes
5:59 pm:<MPx> uh oh
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> XVT is not multi-thread safe, all use of XVT service must be single threaded
6 pm:<MPx> because I will need some dual core cpu to run IRT side by side with another app I'm looking into...4 apps altogher actually
6 pm:<Mike> are they improving xvt things?
6 pm:<MPx> IRT/CF32/NT5/TWS
6 pm:<MPx> one computer
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> there may be an XP setting that makes I/RT schedulable only on one cpu at a time
6:01 pm:<MPx> ah
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> you may have to run that way due to XVT limitations
6:01 pm:<MPx> that's ok
6:02 pm:<MPx> I don't run more than 10 total symbols live
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> applications developed with more modern tools probably don't have these problems
6:02 pm:<MPx> just needs to be relaible
6:02 pm:<MPx> true
6:02 pm:<MPx> you're carrying alot of extra code because of 10 years of development
6:03 pm:<MPx> can I ask you a question and can you answer it?
6:03 pm:<MPx> honest answer
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> Have I ever been dishonest in my answers?
6:04 pm:<MPx> nono
6:04 pm:<MPx> thats not what i amena
6:04 pm:<MPx> mean
6:04 pm:<MPx> ol
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> candid, frank, blunt maybe?
6:05 pm:<MPx> how many OS X users does IRT have and is it worth it at this point to get into the Mactel issue...would it not be better to offer them an XP version instead?
6:05 pm:<Mike> they have few os9 users still I guess even :)
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> yes we still have 2 or 3 dozen "classic" mac users
6:06 pm:<MPx> wow
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> and I would say maybe a hundred or more OS X users, not sure of the exact number
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> so it's not a big number
6:07 pm:<MPx> so it's just Mike and I the major thorns in regards to getting OS X up to par?
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> but if the universal binary turns out to be doable, I would want to do it
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm just trying to set expectations at this stage
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> I honestly don't know if it can be done or not
6:08 pm:<MPx> k
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> if it means rewritten 40% of I/RT then that would mean "it can't/won't be done
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> rewriting
6:09 pm:<MPx> understanable
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> XVT has not done anything towards intel OS X implementation yet
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> except for getting XVT OS X itself under XCode
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I will have that soon
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> so I can start using Xcode and start getting I/RT setup to compile under Xcode
6:10 pm:<MPx> ok
6:10 pm:<Mike> well if in Xcode at least can do a G5 optimized compile.
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I have to do that anyway since codewarrior is not going to be further supported
6:10 pm:<Mike> great news Bill
6:10 pm:<Mike> right
6:11 pm:<Mike> once in Xcode2, I wonder how much harder to make a universal binary?
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> I suppose, XCode uses gcc C/C++ compilers that can optimize for G5
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> That is the big question Mike
6:12 pm:<Mike> yes I'd have to ask a mac expert developer and see
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> I wonder also, I wonder if it is even possible, I'll find out soon
6:12 pm:<Mike> I will ask a bit al so
6:12 pm:<MPx> yes C/C++ code can compile natively in X-Code
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> Another factor is the data base management system that I/RT uses
6:12 pm:<Mike> your code is fien as it pure C but xvt calls into drawing routines and things os and chip specific
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> this database system, named Raima Data Manager, was converted from Unix originally for Linn Soft for our Mac Classic version more than 10 years ago
6:13 pm:<MPx> oh
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> all of this code must compile also
6:14 pm:<Mike> yes
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> and database systems handle the mapping of data from memory out to the database on the disk
6:14 pm:<Mike> if from unix it shold be good C code maybe
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> intel and powerpc architecture for memory byte order is completely different
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> and this goes to the heart of what RDM, so this is a big unknown, whether I will be able to make this RDM software go "universal"
6:16 pm:<Mike> ok maybe Xcode converts it I ask expert soon as I can
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> I think all of our I/RT code should be okay, but XVT itself and RDM are the big obstacles
6:16 pm:<Mike> yes agree
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> Mike, you are a dreamer
6:16 pm:<Mike> good
6:16 pm:<Mike> optimist
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> I have access to apple intels "transition" material for developers
6:17 pm:<MPx> oh you got it..good
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> and one of the things apple talks about is the need for the individual developer to find the places in their code that may be "byte order" dependent and rewrite them
6:18 pm:<Mike> send it to xvt :)
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> sure
6:18 pm:<MPx> yeah a lot of rewriting
6:18 pm:<Mike> i sRaima still in business?
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll still be waiting for answer this time next year
6:18 pm:<MPx> take you 6-10 months
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> Raima was acquired by another company who continues to sell this powerful data base manager for embedded appications
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> See our Credits
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> in Help Menu
6:20 pm:<Mike> Birdstep I See
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> I could always hire this company to convert the source back to intel for me, let's see $50,000 for consulting fees spread over 100 OS X users, that comes to....
6:21 pm:<MPx> I would pay
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> and lets see 50 hours of my time explaining to those 100 why I have to charge them $500 each...
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> Had to do that with OS X transition
6:22 pm:<Mike> WEll start with Xcode2 and a G5 compile be great step!
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> Raima is a really good product, a more modern version is available that handles much larger database
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> but it is Windows only at this point
6:23 pm:<Mike> it handls my millions and Eddys ticks I See
6:23 pm:<Mike> many happy users Bill great product :) and company
6:23 pm:<Mike> we appreciate and love yoru works and Chads and MArks, Eric's :)
6:24 pm:<Mike> thanks for your insights and sharing of info also that appreciated
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> ok Mike. I'll keep you posted as the Mac World continues to turn ;-)
6:25 pm:<Mike> ok
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> time for dinner, talk to you later...
6:25 pm:<Mike> I seeing invalid object type 287859207
6:25 pm:<Mike> in message log fyi
6:25 pm:<Mike> thanks for chat
6:26 pm:<Mike> maybe that related to credits window open!
6:27 pm:<MPx> Chad will be hearing from a few IRT TPO users about what we want next done