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4:33 pm:<Mike> afternoon Bill
4:33 pm:<Mike> Any Linnsoft news to start with?
4:33 pm:<fcat> hi Bill
4:33 pm:<fcat> been awhile
4:33 pm:<Mike> good Mac osx etc ... news?
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> Hello, hard at work here, IRT 8.2.3, another maintenance release will be out soon
4:34 pm:<fcat> xlnt
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> I've gotten started, with Xcode on the Mac OS X side, just getting familiar with it.
4:34 pm:<TraderAnt> anything new mp wise Bill?
4:35 pm:<Mike> how's it looking Bill?
4:35 pm:*** MPx has joined us
4:35 pm:***MODE Change*** "+0 LS_Bill " by Mike
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> I feel like Moses standing at the base of the mountain
4:35 pm:<MPx> good afternoon folks
4:36 pm:<fcat> lol bill
4:36 pm:<Mike> ok it might be good compiler :)
4:36 pm:<MPx> thanks for the fix Chad
4:36 pm:<fcat> hey mpx
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> it is a good compiler, I've noticed that already
4:36 pm:<Mike> oh great!
4:36 pm:<MPx> hi fcat
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> if found a few coding errors that all of the other compilers we've used for years have not
4:36 pm:<Mike> exactly
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> nothing major
4:37 pm:<Mike> they have a shark app to help find slowness in code i recall
4:37 pm:<MPx> what...don't tell me that now I dump OS X you're compiling in X-Code?!!!
4:37 pm:<Mike> :)
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> nothing new to report currently on the MP front...still considering adding dynamic TPOs and some other features and making TPO an optional component of IRT for an additional monthly charge
4:38 pm:<MPx> k
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm just dipping my toe in the water here, nothing more to say really. maybe I've have something to say in a week or two
4:38 pm:<Mike> good is xvt and irt compiling though or to early for that?
4:38 pm:<MPx> yes toe in water better than that foot in mouth
4:39 pm:*** Hayden has left
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
4:39 pm:<MPx> lol
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> Confucius say that?
4:39 pm:<MPx> MPx
4:39 pm:<Mike> ok Questions/Issues anyone??? or comments? advices?
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> I got a fix from XVT for the files dimmed out issue in OS X
4:40 pm:<MPx> ah
4:40 pm:<MPx> mine have not dimmed in months
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> files or menus?
4:40 pm:<Mike> import files Dan not menus
4:40 pm:<MPx> oh menus
4:40 pm:<MPx> sorry
4:40 pm:<Mike> xvt planning to ass scroll wheel support I wonder?
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> the menu dimming has been fixed also, all except the Quit menu item in the application menu
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> don't know
4:41 pm:<Mike> add that was sorry fro that typo
4:42 pm:<MPx> k
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> Freudian slip
4:42 pm:<MPx> ass scroll...is that like butt surfing Mike?
4:42 pm:*** Ftrader01 has joined us
4:42 pm:<MPx> stop hanging out at gay porn sites
4:42 pm:<Mike> Hi Eddy
4:42 pm:<MPx> anyways....
4:43 pm:<Mike> never
4:43 pm:<MPx> Bill have you had a chance to run my DB on your G4?
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4:43 pm:<Mike> hi Jerome
4:43 pm:<Ftrader01> good evening
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> not yet, I have the G4 all torn apart working on XCode
4:43 pm:<MPx> ah ok
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> it will be awhile before I can compile
4:44 pm:<MPx> thats still a plus
4:44 pm:<MPx> trying a universal binary compile?
4:44 pm:<Mike> try compile on a G5 you have a G5?
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.2.3 will have the ability to schedule exports of historical data
4:46 pm:<TraderAnt> like a macro bill
4:46 pm:<Mike> Bill that could be a step towards tick playback from files :)
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> a new schedule action for creating a file of historical data for some list of symbols
4:47 pm:<MPx> I assume it would be easier to port XP/IRT to OS X under the intel chip than to make the current OS X/IRT universal....I say this because there seems to be almost Zero issues for the XP version in relation to XVT...Would I be correct to assume this?
4:48 pm:<TraderAnt> Bill, could you give an example of how this might be used in realtime trading(for us reknobs)
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> XP/IRT and OSX/IRT code is identify by and large Daniel
4:49 pm:<MPx> identical?
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> the export feature, I don't see it being widely used, it was requested by someone who writes his own basic programs to do analysis
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> the reason linnsoft picked XVT in the beginning was because it allows the program to be written once and deployed over many platforms.
4:50 pm:<Mike> Chad I would like to keep TPO features as part of program I pay for as is if possible
4:50 pm:<MPx> yes aware of that
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> so when you say "Port XP/IRT to OS/X"
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> that is meaningless, XP/IRT and OSX/IRT is the same collection of source code. It's the XVT piece that deals with the OS in use
4:52 pm:<MPx> nor meaningless
4:52 pm:<MPx> not*
4:53 pm:<Mike> Bill I can not import say 4 days for back a month or 2 ago can I in one step? As recent data from end of import gets wiped i recall? or can that be fixed?
4:53 pm:<MPx> I think u may be surprised that the XP version will run better under OS X on the intel chip that OS X runs right now.
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> the XVT I'm using now does compile under Xcode, I'm trying to get IRT source code to compile under Xcode too, that may be a six month project, just don't know yet.
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> that's what I meant by standing at the foot of a big mountain
4:54 pm:<Mike> really? wow I thought your code pretty pure C?
4:54 pm:<Mike> well that db issue you mentioned in past
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> The XVT libraries for Windows/XP have always been better than the Mac XVT libraries.
4:54 pm:<MPx> yes
4:55 pm:<MPx> what are the major difference besides the drawing routines between the two now that OS X will run on x86?
4:55 pm:<Mike> maybe xvt compiled in Xcode help that performance
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> that's because 98% of XVT (the companies) clients use windows or unix, and just a few clients (like Linnsoft) use Mac
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> it's not enough for XVT to compiled under Xcode, IRT must compile under Xcode also, to be linked together with XVT.
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> that's the part I'm just beginning to work on now.
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> these are programming issues, let's change the subject
4:56 pm:<MPx> ok
4:56 pm:<MPx> one last comment
4:56 pm:<MPx> remember Virtual Pc?
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> anyone have anything to talk about Investor/RT wise?
4:56 pm:<MPx> VPC will run on the Mac at native PC speeds
4:57 pm:<MPx> watch this space for further updates!
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, I've heard that speculation
4:57 pm:<MPx> yes BIll how come the XP version charts flash or blink?
4:58 pm:<Mike> Terry any newer folks questions? comments? issues?
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> windows xp does not use the same off screen drawing technique that Apple is known for
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4:58 pm:<fcat> general question
4:59 pm:<fcat> using iq for data feed
4:59 pm:<fcat> ib is my broker
4:59 pm:<Mike> Hi Radar
4:59 pm:<MPx> what makes it only do it sometime then?
4:59 pm:<radar> hi
4:59 pm:<fcat> have a sometimes large lag in price between the two
5 pm:<fcat> especially in hi vol fast moving equities
5 pm:<radar> Is anyone using a Mac to trade outside of RT?
5 pm:<MPx> IB faster right?
5 pm:<fcat> yes mpx correct
5 pm:<MPx> right
5 pm:<MPx> know why?
5 pm:<fcat> iq lagging
5 pm:<fcat> nope
5 pm:<Terry> Actually I do have a question. If I wanted to run an intra day scan to find large range opening 15 minute bars, Am limited to the 100 symbols that IB can follow intra day?
5 pm:<Ftrader01> Hello Bill, did u have time for more investigation on the NT / IRT interface ?
5:01 pm:<MPx> IB= broker..then have to be tick for tick with prices change son the exchanges
5:01 pm:<MPx> *they
5:01 pm:<fcat> mpx sometimes lag can be 15 secs
5:01 pm:<MPx> 3rd party data vendors are on a different feed
5:01 pm:<MPx> yes
5:01 pm:<MPx> and worse sometimes
5:02 pm:<fcat> 15secs= $1.00+ on a fast mover
5:02 pm:<MPx> thats another reason I switched to IB
5:02 pm:<Mike> yes Radar I do
5:02 pm:<fcat> interesting
5:02 pm:<Mike> I use TWS on mac osx G5 and IRT and autotrader
5:02 pm:<MPx> Radar I was using a G5 dp 1.8ghz until last week.
5:02 pm:<fcat> thought it was too many ti's or charts open
5:03 pm:<MPx> how many you have open?
5:03 pm:<MPx> many*
5:03 pm:<Mike> Terry I think scan needs to be done on data in IRT db for 1
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> Terry, you are limited to the 100 symbol that you have real-time data for
5:03 pm:<Mike> IB can follow 100 or more I heard with a larger funding or something I forgot
5:03 pm:<MPx> Radar what sis you want to know?
5:04 pm:<MPx> did*
5:04 pm:<radar> mac
5:04 pm:<Terry> Thats what I thought.
5:04 pm:<MPx> whats the question exactly?
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> On Windows/XP I have heard that IB and DTN.IQ are right in sync, even in heavy trading periods
5:04 pm:<MPx> yes
5:05 pm:<fcat> 20-nope
5:05 pm:<fcat> on xp here bill
5:05 pm:<fcat> way off
5:05 pm:<radar> I'm looking for a dome type setup for trading
5:05 pm:<MPx> but depends on amount of charts
5:05 pm:<MPx> ah
5:05 pm:<fcat> 20-30 charts
5:05 pm:<fcat> 5-10 instruments
5:05 pm:<Mike> fcat 20-30 charts? what is view period for them all? what symbols all different?
5:05 pm:<MPx> yes...Jerry from Autotrader looking into doing one but I have not heard anything in months form him
5:06 pm:<Mike> fcat intra day charts?
5:06 pm:<fcat> 5 intra day periodicities
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> I had a call today from a mac user looking for a dome trading platform on Mac
5:06 pm:<fcat> 1m-60m
5:07 pm:<fcat> used to use ib as datafeed
5:07 pm:<Mike> TWS have a dome or ladder?
5:07 pm:<MPx> the problem with doing a Dome for trading on a Mac is that very few use a Mac for trading and the patsystems are Pc only ...so the only to use a Dome is to use IB's dome
5:07 pm:<MPx> Radar IB has a Dome
5:07 pm:<fcat> switcheIB dome basic
5:07 pm:<fcat> \but works
5:07 pm:<MPx> yes
5:08 pm:<radar> I've been using IB, but I'm not happy with their margin requirements.
5:08 pm:<MPx> ah
5:08 pm:<Mike> what I thought IB had good margins?
5:08 pm:<MPx> what did you use to trade with?
5:08 pm:<radar> Do you know of any JAVA apps?
5:08 pm:<MPx> yes
5:08 pm:<MPx> Autotrader
5:08 pm:<MPx> no dome though
5:09 pm:<MPx> but better than using TWS
5:09 pm:<fcat> hear anything from dtn on post market data coming thru today bill?
5:09 pm:<radar> IB wants $2000 for one mini S&P contract
5:09 pm:<MPx> yes
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> no response on that yet. the post market trades reception is present in IRT, maybe something changed in the way the are sending these trades, that's my guess
5:11 pm:<radar> I'm looking for $300-$500 margin
5:11 pm:<MPx> radar I just dropped my G5 for trading because of a whole bunch of issues...no pro trading order entry platform was one reason
5:11 pm:<MPx> JP Futures
5:11 pm:<MPx> $500
5:11 pm:<MPx> phone answered on first ring
5:11 pm:<fcat> who was it that said 100 symbol limit on IB could be increased?
5:12 pm:<MPx> look in the TWS general section...I read it today
5:12 pm:<fcat> ok thanks bill
5:12 pm:<Mike> MPX maybe Bill could use a dual G5!
5:12 pm:<MPx> yeah but thats a top gap machine now
5:13 pm:<MPx> *stop gap
5:13 pm:<MPx> time for Mactel
5:13 pm:<radar> Does JP have a JAVA app for trading?
5:13 pm:<MPx> nope
5:13 pm:<MPx> then have many
5:13 pm:<MPx> check website
5:13 pm:<MPx> not sure
5:13 pm:<Mike> radar can trade from IRT charts you know :)
5:13 pm:<MPx> but i use Nt5 with them
5:14 pm:<MPx> NinjaTrader5
5:14 pm:<Mike> Bill Eddy asked any Ninja updated info?
5:14 pm:<Mike> <Ftrader01>Hello Bill, did u have time for more investigation on the NT / IRT interface ?
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> nothing new on the ninja trader front, I've been kind of buried.
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> need to work out the strategy id issue
5:15 pm:<Mike> ok thanks, you get it going ok Eddy?
5:15 pm:<Mike> ok thanks for update Bill.
5:15 pm:<radar> I'm actually trying Ninja with Virtual PC on a G5.
5:15 pm:<Mike> Hi Jerome
5:15 pm:<MPx> and how is it?
5:16 pm:<Mike> radar might need to get Apple Intel chip mac
5:16 pm:<Jerome> Hi, just setting in to see what goes on here.
5:16 pm:<MPx> I have not run VPC5 since the G4 2 years ago
5:16 pm:<Mike> great Welcome, you use the IRT program?
5:16 pm:<radar> Not bad speed. I have a dual 2.5ghz G5.
5:16 pm:<MPx> oh nice
5:16 pm:<MPx> dual 1.8 here
5:17 pm:<radar> I can't wash my car with it though.
5:17 pm:<MPx> o but you have the best looking most expensive radio!
5:17 pm:<MPx> internet radio
5:17 pm:<MPx> ;-)
5:17 pm:<radar> yep
5:18 pm:<Ftrader01> bill : ok / thks for feedback
5:18 pm:<Mike> No one has IRT Questions/issues really?
5:18 pm:<MPx> so tell me u run IRT on it and which feed?
5:18 pm:<Mike> we all happy users then? wow!...
5:19 pm:<MPx> well I have a few things I would like to see...in the current TPO charts...if Chad is receptive :-)
5:19 pm:<radar> I think bill is right. Just buy a PC.
5:19 pm:<MPx> yes
5:19 pm:<Mike> Bill I can not import say 4 days for back a month or 2 ago can I in one step? As recent data from end of import gets wiped i recall? or can that be fixed?
5:19 pm:<MPx> I came to that said conclusion after trying for 3 years
5:19 pm:<MPx> sad*
5:20 pm:<MPx> Chad?
5:20 pm:<radar> I'm thinking about writing my own Dome/Ladder
5:20 pm:<MPx> you OBJ-C coder/
5:20 pm:<MPx> ?
5:20 pm:<radar> for the Mac
5:21 pm:<Mike> great for mac?
5:21 pm:<Mike> what program in Xcode?
5:21 pm:<radar> Yes.
5:21 pm:<MPx> woah
5:21 pm:<Mike> GREat
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> I would have to test it to see Mike, I believe the code is written to "merge" what you import with what's there already.
5:21 pm:<MPx> OBJ-C or Java?
5:21 pm:<Mike> maybe can work with Bill and get that into IRT
5:21 pm:<radar> Maybe using a database. Maybe 4D.
5:22 pm:<MPx> which language Radar
5:22 pm:<radar> I used 4D at JPL/Nasa.
5:22 pm:<Mike> Radar maybe talk to Bill as IRT has data and feed work done maybe he could use your code in a compile I'm not sure
5:22 pm:<MPx> hmmm
5:22 pm:<Mike> ok Bill I need to import a few days from back a bit ago now
5:23 pm:<radar> I can compile 4D for Mac or Windows.
5:23 pm:<MPx> I also considered doing a basic Ninja for OS X
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> mike, export your data first as a precaution
5:23 pm:<MPx> what is 4d?
5:23 pm:<Mike> i used to know and use 4D also :)
5:23 pm:<Mike> yes I will Bill
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> export from the ending date/time of your import to present so you'll have it
5:23 pm:<Mike> at least from import date to present
5:23 pm:<Mike> right exactly
5:23 pm:<radar> 4th Dimension.
5:24 pm:<MPx> right but what language is it exactly
5:24 pm:<MPx> C/ C++ or OBJ-C?
5:24 pm:<Mike> radar what you use to do the GUI stuff in Xcode?
5:24 pm:<Mike> Dan 4D is a 4th generation database language program
5:24 pm:<MPx> ok but what about the gui
5:25 pm:<radar> It has it's own language and a great GUI. I can design in 1/10 the time of C.
5:25 pm:<Mike> right
5:25 pm:<MPx> can compile in X-Code into OS X
5:25 pm:<MPx> ?
5:26 pm:<radar> No.
5:26 pm:<MPx> ah
5:26 pm:<MPx> so it's Java
5:26 pm:<radar> No
5:26 pm:<MPx> huh?/
5:26 pm:<MPx> unix?
5:26 pm:<MPx> lol
5:27 pm:<radar> It is a object oriented GUI. Just draw an object and attach code.
5:27 pm:<MPx> have link?
5:27 pm:<radar> http://www.4d.com/
5:27 pm:<MPx> then it's C++
5:28 pm:<radar> No. Faster.
5:28 pm:<MPx> only thing faster is pure OBJ-C no?
5:28 pm:<Mike> radar IRT has an API so you can get data that way you know!
5:29 pm:*** Jerome has left
5:29 pm:<radar> I look a NJ5 and it looks simple in 4D.
5:30 pm:<MPx> hmmm
5:30 pm:<Mike> IRT could even do a dome someday way down road...
5:30 pm:<Mike> TPO easy in 4D also Dan
5:31 pm:<fcat> bill do you feel my dtn/IB lag is due to chart qty/processor overload?
5:31 pm:<MPx> hmmm...need to know what it spits out
5:31 pm:<MPx> yes fcat
5:31 pm:<MPx> thats alt of charts
5:31 pm:<MPx> alot*
5:32 pm:<Mike> fcat what is periodicity of the intraday charts?
5:32 pm:<fcat> darn that's just one monitor right now
5:32 pm:<Mike> check that they all are set to view last 1-2-3 days or so
5:32 pm:<Mike> and not like view last 20-30 days!
5:32 pm:<fcat> 1/3/8/13/60 minutes
5:33 pm:<Mike> right view periodicity ie how much data is being loaded for charts
5:33 pm:<Mike> not timeframe ie minutes
5:33 pm:<fcat> yes but those short view periods give worthless ma's
5:33 pm:<Mike> check all the charts you have open and see. or report here if you can
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> read through this fcat
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tips/efficiency.htm
5:34 pm:<fcat> I need 200 period ma on a 13m chart
5:34 pm:<Mike> can have longer MA's used on 1 3 minute charts you know
5:34 pm:<MPx> Chad...can you add a scan in the TPO info pane?
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> in what way?
5:34 pm:<MPx> a volume scan...giving us the vol % of the profile?
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> just if it's true or false?
5:35 pm:<MPx> say how much % of vol is the profile over the last 10
5:35 pm:<Mike> can he float annotation over TPO charts?
5:35 pm:<fcat> 60m chart/ 200 period ma = 34 day view period no?
5:35 pm:<MPx> for instance this current day's profile has 150% volume of the last 10
5:36 pm:<fcat> for session 0
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> that should be pretty easy to do with a custom column in qp, or in a chart
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> traditional chart
5:36 pm:<radar> Thanks for the info cya.
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> not easy to add to TPO...but possible? yes
5:36 pm:<fcat> thanks for link chad
5:36 pm:<Mike> Fcat see what Chad advises I think there a solution not to use 34 days on intra day chart
5:36 pm:<fcat> will read
5:36 pm:<MPx> it's one of the CF32 things
5:37 pm:*** radar has left
5:37 pm:<MPx> how to add to a traditional chart?
5:37 pm:<Mike> Chad 200 period MA on 60 min chart doesn't MA preload or calc properly somehow I forgot.
5:37 pm:<MPx> I get the feeling radar was fishing for Mac OS X trade platform business
5:37 pm:<MPx> ;-/
5:38 pm:<fcat> 3 day view period fine on 1 and 3m charts
5:38 pm:<fcat> 8min needs 7
5:38 pm:<fcat> etc....
5:38 pm:<Mike> one sec
5:40 pm:<fcat> maybe I just need a16 processor 32 core machine
5:40 pm:<fcat> ;-)
5:40 pm:<MPx> lol
5:40 pm:<MPx> nah
5:40 pm:<MPx> you need to separate charts
5:40 pm:<MPx> use 2 feeds
5:40 pm:<MPx> IB free
5:40 pm:<MPx> 2 comps
5:41 pm:<Mike> Bill/Chad have a good solution for a 200 ma on a 60 minute chart?
5:41 pm:<MPx> dont need that MIke
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> yes..use MPD
5:43 pm:<Mike> yes MPD words Fcat perfectly I jsut added it, and 3 day 60 min chart!
5:43 pm:<Mike> need help to set that up fcat?
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> setup MPD with the "mix ticker" and "mix period" unchecked...and use the indicator MA as underlying indicator
5:44 pm:<fcat> doesn;t mpd give a hor ref line tho?
5:44 pm:<LS_Chad> no
5:44 pm:<fcat> ok
5:44 pm:<Mike> MPD is perfect for you fcat. so fix all your chart periodicities then your cpu and lag will be gone maybe
5:45 pm:<fcat> will give a historical ma same as the extended view period?
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> yes
5:45 pm:<fcat> beautiful
5:46 pm:<fcat> I new I paid you guys every month for something ;-)
5:47 pm:<fcat> will do some chart work tonight and give it a go in the am
5:47 pm:<Mike> excellent fcat
5:47 pm:<Mike> want to see a pict now of char tI just made fcat?
5:48 pm:<fcat> fire away
5:49 pm:<Mike> http://irtmike.derr.ws/200.gif
5:49 pm:<Mike> there you go! amazing IRT :)
5:49 pm:<Mike> great MPD also Chad :)
5:49 pm:<Mike> almost 5 folks... Any other Questions for LS folks????
5:50 pm:<fcat> perfect thanks mike
5:50 pm:<fcat> thank you chad
5:50 pm:<fcat> all good here
5:51 pm:<Ftrader01> MPD, one of the most powerful token // need to go / bye bye everyone.
5:51 pm:<fcat> nite ftrader
5:51 pm:<Ftrader01> gnie
5:51 pm:<Ftrader01> te
5:51 pm:*** Ftrader01 has left
5:52 pm:<fcat> I use mpd to overlay hor ref lines on for mas for conflicting time frames
5:52 pm:<fcat> *for mas
5:53 pm:<fcat> neverthought to use it that way to save view period days
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> An MPD's a Fine-Something-That-All-People-Need.
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> It's a shirt. It's a sock. It's a glove. It's a hat.
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> But it has other uses. Yes, far beyond that.
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> You can use it for carpets. For pillows! For sheets!
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> Or curtain! Or covers for bicycle seats.
5:53 pm:<Mike> MPC can draw the ma itself
5:54 pm:<fcat> lol
5:54 pm:<LS_Chad> sorry...reminded me of the Suess I was reading my 4 year old last night ;)
5:54 pm:<Mike> nice Chad!
5:54 pm:<Mike> Thanks for Chat Bill and Chad
5:54 pm:<Mike> good Xcoding :)