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4:30 pm:--Topic-- Investor/RT - Market Analysis Software for Traders and Active Investors for Windows and Macintosh from Linn Software, <http://www.linnsoft.com/>www.linnsoft.com
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> hello everyone
4:32 pm:<Mike> Afternoon
4:32 pm:<fcat> hey hey
4:32 pm:<Mike> Guess Linnsoft news first...?
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad put me on to a great new messenger software called trillian
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> and it had me logged in already as LS_Bill
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I running IRT chat now
4:33 pm:<Mike> ok great
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad found a holiday related bug in the TPO charts yesterday
4:34 pm:<Mike> Skype is great free software for text messaging but power is it's phone quality so if you ever need to talk overseas it is free and good quality also
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> it was a holiday date only type problem, fixed now for next release
4:34 pm:<Mike> great
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> I've been buried getting our OS X software moved over to a new version of XVT and Apple's developer tools
4:35 pm:<Mike> good news how's that progress?
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> pretty well, I have IRT running optimized for PowerPC G5 and it appears to be a lot faster than ever before.
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> I still have a lot to do, but maybe a beta will be available soon
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT itself runs very well, but there are a lot of other details, database utilities, the Reconfigure application etc. that have to be done also
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> Reconfigure it done
4:37 pm:<fcat> how is it compared to windows version bill?
4:38 pm:<fcat> speed wise
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> working on database utilities now and that is slowing things down
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> I have no idea how to compare with Windows speed, I suspect windows will still be a bit faster
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4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> however, the main reason I'm doing all this is that Apple is moving to Intel processors
4:38 pm:<Mike> Hello Cliff. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:38 pm:<fcat> ok
4:38 pm:<fcat> ty
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> and this is a first step toward an Intel native IRT
4:39 pm:<Mike> fcat I will test it vs pc for an opti and other similar things when I can
4:39 pm:<Cliff> Thank you, glad to be here
4:39 pm:<fcat> great Mike
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> I think maybe IRT OS X will be as fast as the Windows version someday, when it runs native on Intel Macs
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> but the good news in the meantime is that the PowerPC version will run faster than before, due to the use of optimizing compiler (gcc4) in Xcode
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> any questions or issues to discuss anyone?
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4:42 pm:<fcat> can't get calc statistics to run on a couple charts
4:42 pm:<Mike> Hello IRT_USER. Welcome to #Linnsoft. :)
4:42 pm:<fcat> any ideas?
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4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the setup for the STAT?
4:43 pm:<gloveday> Bill, I tried to start IRT yesterday, and it locked up when trying to connect to TWS
4:43 pm:<gloveday> Is that a Holiday related bug?
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> yes gloveday
4:43 pm:<gloveday> thought so
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> well, did you have a TPO chart open in your layout?
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> you had a tpo chart open, right?
4:43 pm:<gloveday> you got her fixed?
4:44 pm:<gloveday> yes
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> that's been fixed for next release
4:44 pm:<Cliff> bill, have you given any further thought to being able to exclude/include regular session data based on how pre- and post- market data is marked when it is received from the data vendors
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> so as long as you get before next holiday....will be fine
4:44 pm:<gloveday> great
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> fcat, tell me more about setup for indicator
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> doh...that's only a 6 days away :(
4:45 pm:<tuna> how soon till chad can incorporate a version of market delta into irt?
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> is that right..another trading holiday next Monday? Washington's birthday?
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> no
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> that was yesterday
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna...you mean dividing the 30 minute periods up into volumes at each price?
4:46 pm:<fcat> mainly mas -- but do have 8 mpd ti's linked to chart buttons
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT still has Washington's birthday in the holiday file
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> ah....was looking at wrong year
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4:46 pm:<tuna> and showing bidxasks
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> have until 4/14 it looks like
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> I guess we'll change it to President's Day for next year
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> Good Friday
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4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> oh fcat, you're talking about the calculation time stats IRT puts out
4:47 pm:<fcat> yes
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> if the indicator calcs in a very short time, we don't even show those as I recall
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> playback is on the way for TPO charts....as many of you already know
4:48 pm:<fcat> II don't think that's it
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4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> this is unique to TPO charts, and has nothing to do with traditional chart playback, please don't even ask, Mike ;-)
4:49 pm:<Mike> Hello MPx. Welcome to #Linnsoft. :)
4:49 pm:<Mike> Hello MPx. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:49 pm:<MPx> good good evening folks
4:49 pm:<fcat> this chart has the most TI's on it and all the others give a report
4:49 pm:<Mike> MPX: LS_Chad: playback is on the way for TPO charts....as many of you already know
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> fact email me a chart def and I'll take a closer look
4:49 pm:<MPx> Chad resend me the email form this am..I deleted it by mistake
4:50 pm:<fcat> still trying to shorten my lag
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> fact == fcat
4:50 pm:<fcat> ok bill
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> this will essentially work with any profile you can currently build....it will just walk through the profile with you one letter at a time...automatically. or manually
4:50 pm:<MPx> what timeframe?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> letter duration
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> on it's way Daniel
4:51 pm:<MPx> thnx
4:51 pm:<Mike> Bill can you verify that custom indicator is exported with chart defs please. thanks
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> of course they are
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> so far...I've only implemented a "1 new letter per X seconds" option
4:51 pm:<MPx> up to 59Secs?
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4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> but could probably just as easily do "X seconds of data per Y seconds" or "X traders per Y seconds"
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4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> but you have manual control...it can be playing (at 1 letter per 5 seconds or whatever)
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> however, sometimes a CI can be so deeply embedded in a chart, that they don't export, e.g. a button that invokes a schedule that opens a chart that has a CI in it
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> and you can pause....and step through..advancing one letter when you want
4:52 pm:<MPx> yes we would want to speed up the day 3 or 4 times
4:53 pm:<MPx> so 8 hours would go by in 2
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> when I say ONE letter, I mean just that....a single D, not all the D's in the profile
4:53 pm:<MPx> yes understood
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> can also specify fractions of a second
4:53 pm:<fcat> chart def on it's way bill
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> so you can easily zip through a day in seconds...very slick
4:53 pm:<Mike> my CI is on chart pane
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> thnx
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> can do during session..for quick review
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> or after session, for training
4:53 pm:<Mike> well i did not import to PC for sure, not sure if it in export def I can try i mport on mac to verify
4:54 pm:*** Christine2 has joined us
4:54 pm:<Mike> Hello Christine2. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> but you could specify 1/2 second per letter...so a profile of 120 tpos would build in 1 minute
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> and you can view the building value area, poc, etc....
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> just like you would in realtime
4:56 pm:<MPx> very slick
4:56 pm:<Mike> well some letter take hour
4:57 pm:<Mike> hope you can playback based on time settings? like 10x time
4:57 pm:<Mike> so like each second is a tenth of a second
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> also coming....VA and POC based on volume
4:58 pm:<Mike> great
4:58 pm:<MPx> hows that?
4:58 pm:<Mike> IB time fix also I assume?
4:58 pm:<Mike> it in MOM book Dan i forgot page
4:59 pm:<MPx> not that
4:59 pm:<MPx> I mean volume based POC and VA
4:59 pm:<Mike> yes
4:59 pm:<MPx> optional for user?
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> VA based on volume.instead of tpo count
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> just an additional option
4:59 pm:<MPx> ah ok
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> can have both on chart if you want
4:59 pm:<MPx> good
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> different colors, etc
5 pm:<Mike> volume numbers on TPO charts?
5 pm:<Mike> can user control the volume color please?
5 pm:<LS_Chad> see what I can do mike
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> hope everyone has 4 monitor setup
5:01 pm:<Mike> great
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> you'll need it to fit tpo prefs window in :)
5:01 pm:<MPx> lol
5:01 pm:<Mike> use tabs in pref widows like on format prefs window
5:01 pm:<MPx> I use one screen for charts and one for order entry
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5:02 pm:<MPx> has been proven that fewer screen improves trader success rate
5:02 pm:<MPx> focus
5:02 pm:<Mike> nope, forgot 1 place you use tabs in pref dialog in IRT
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5:06 pm:<IRT_User> Hayden
5:06 pm:<Mike> want to change name Hayden?
5:07 pm:<IRT_User> No, but I couldn't get in from IRT
5:07 pm:<Mike> ok
5:07 pm:<Mike> type: /nick Hayden to change nick name if you desire
5:07 pm:<IRT_User> ok, thanks for the info. How are you?
5:09 pm:<fcat> gotta run early tonight -- will leave chat open and read later
5:09 pm:<fcat> cya guys
5:09 pm:*** IRT_User is now known as Hayden
5:11 pm:<Christine2> is there a way to have IRT connect to IB data if TWS is running on a different computer, but on same router/network?
5:11 pm:<MPx> y
5:11 pm:<MPx> simple
5:11 pm:<Christine2> great
5:12 pm:<MPx> in setup enter the IP address of the computer where TWS is running
5:12 pm:<MPx> something like... 192.168.1.101 or 102 or 103
5:12 pm:<MPx> have to check the computers address
5:13 pm:<Christine2> how do i check that mpx?
5:13 pm:<Christine2> access the router info?
5:13 pm:<MPx> control panel: network
5:13 pm:<Hayden> Christine, I'll just throw this other option in. If you have the second monitor, you could connect it to the one computer and have IB running on one monitor, IRT on the other
5:13 pm:<Christine2> i used to know how to do it with win2k
5:14 pm:<Christine2> well.....i do, but i have bracket trader running on other monitor also
5:14 pm:<Christine2> tws runs on my notebook
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5:14 pm:<Christine2> other puter has 4 monitors
5:14 pm:<MPx> woah!
5:14 pm:<MPx> lol
5:14 pm:<Mike> Bill hear from Jerry of AT at all?
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5:15 pm:<Christine2> i have 6 monitors altogether...lol
5:15 pm:<Hayden> Very funny
5:15 pm:<MPx> 2 here
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5:15 pm:<Mike> I have a few :)
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> we chat occasionally
5:16 pm:<Mike> ok
5:17 pm:<Mike> I have big autotrading problem with pending limit orders unfilled sitting there all day
5:17 pm:<MPx> get a PC
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> you need to have another monitor showing the TWS screen at all times
5:17 pm:<Mike> he needs to fix the AT timeout for IRT sent orders then all good fixed.
5:18 pm:<Mike> same there MPx
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> AT Timeout?
5:18 pm:<Mike> yes
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> what's that?
5:18 pm:<Mike> he has a cancel after x minutes:seconds feature
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> is that for autotrader managed trades only?
5:19 pm:<Mike> he knows it does not work for IRT/http sent orders though
5:19 pm:<Mike> nope
5:19 pm:<Mike> just oversight he needs to fix I believe
5:19 pm:<Mike> no way for IRT to cancel it either
5:19 pm:<Mike> I can manually cancel it in AT or course but that not good for auto trading if unattended etc...
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll ask him about it next time we chat.
5:20 pm:<Mike> I have to run daughter I be back 30 mins, keep good chat going folks...
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> ok Mike
5:21 pm:<Mike> excellent thanks not sure if IRT could send a cancel pending orders also that might be more work
5:22 pm:<Mike> also he has TRAIL order type in AT and http but not in IRT so far. that it.
5:23 pm:<MPx> Christine I have 2 TWSs running on one computer and IRT/NT5 running on a different computer...no problems
5:24 pm:<Cliff> Pardon my ignorance, but what's the advantage of having 2 TWSs running on 1 computer?
5:24 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/volVA.jpg
5:24 pm:<MPx> multiple accounts I control
5:24 pm:<MPx> 4 in total
5:24 pm:<Cliff> Thank you
5:24 pm:<LS_Chad> there is a tpo chart showing both the tpo-based, and vol-based VA and POC lines
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> notice the vol-based POC line is labelled with volume above and below the POC
5:25 pm:<MPx> yeah but who wanted this?
5:25 pm:<MPx> lol
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5:26 pm:<tuna> its a market delta feature
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> sorry MPx...didn't mean to add a tpo feature without your blessing ;)
5:26 pm:<MPx> I spot the vol POC with my eyes...can we turn off the the VA/vol but keep the vol POC on?
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> no Daniel
5:26 pm:<MPx> no no that's not what I mean
5:26 pm:<MPx> lol
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> and I'm going to force the line to be 30 pixels wide too
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> of course it's optional
5:27 pm:<MPx> lol
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> and you can't spot the tpo based POC with your eyes?
5:28 pm:<MPx> yes
5:28 pm:<MPx> this is good...
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> oh...now he's on board ;)
5:29 pm:<tuna> chad any chance of doing this http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-02-21/!!ES_0221Volume
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> any chance of sending me a file my computer can handle :)
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> what type file is that?
5:29 pm:<MPx> the TPO and VOL base are needed because if you know what you are doing you can see which one cancels the other...that's why I asked who asked for this because they would have to be knowledgeable on how to apply them together
5:30 pm:<LS_Chad> mptrading in JPJ room
5:30 pm:<LS_Chad> as I recall
5:30 pm:<tuna> basically a split chart
5:30 pm:<MPx> k
5:30 pm:<tuna> that shows bid ask instead of letters
5:31 pm:<MPx> if you would have asked me I would have added something very unique to the volume based POC only ;-)
5:31 pm:<LS_Chad> what's that?
5:32 pm:<tuna> lol
5:32 pm:<MPx> I'm afraid to say it!
5:32 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna..can you post that image in jpg format or something?
5:32 pm:<LS_Chad> what do I need to view the link you posted?
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna...are you mptrading?
5:33 pm:<tuna> adobe
5:33 pm:<MPx> make the vol POC independent of the 30 min timeframe
5:33 pm:<tuna> no
5:33 pm:<tuna> im scottx
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> ah
5:33 pm:<tuna> mp is in brazil
5:34 pm:<MPx> so I can set the volume POC to the POC of each 30 min rotation
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5:34 pm:<MPx> thats another secret
5:35 pm:<MPx> this text will now self distruct
5:35 pm:<MPx> plz step back
5:35 pm:<LS_Chad> not following completely MPx....but nothing new there :)
5:36 pm:<MPx> on one chart
5:36 pm:<MPx> see that volume POC is based on full day action correct/
5:36 pm:<MPx> ?
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> right
5:36 pm:<tuna> its dynamic
5:36 pm:<MPx> if I have a TPO chart building a TPO every 30 or 60 mins
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> can always split up into 30-minute profiles
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> and the POC will display there also
5:37 pm:<MPx> I want to know THAT 30 or 60 min TPO's poc
5:37 pm:<MPx> but on this chart
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> right
5:37 pm:<MPx> so I can have the vol POC independant of the fill day
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> so maybe a "bolded" letter to represent each letter's poc
5:37 pm:<MPx> full
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> bold D, bold E, etc
5:38 pm:<MPx> sure that would work also
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> interesting idea
5:38 pm:<MPx> ;-)
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> not sure I have that information though....right now...let me think
5:38 pm:<MPx> k
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> I've got the volume of each row/price point...and volume of each letter (30-min period)
5:39 pm:<MPx> open a chart and set it up so a new TPO builds every 30 mins
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> but not the volume of each individual letter
5:40 pm:<MPx> right
5:40 pm:<MPx> may be CPU killer
5:40 pm:<MPx> ?
5:41 pm:<MPx> I have a chart with a TPo building every 30 min on ER...and I would LOVE to see the POC of those rotations show up on this one chart
5:41 pm:<tuna> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-02-21/!!ES_0221Volume
5:41 pm:<MPx> bold letter would do it
5:41 pm:<tuna> that pretty much shows it
5:41 pm:<MPx> tune it shows p scamble
5:41 pm:<MPx> scrambled
5:42 pm:<tuna> ?
5:42 pm:<MPx> every link u posted shows up scrambled into source code garble
5:42 pm:<MPx> no chart
5:43 pm:<tuna> opens fine here
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I'm not sure how to view what you're posting either
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> tried with adobe reader...no luck
5:43 pm:<MPx> let me try another browser
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> can you post as jpg maybe
5:43 pm:<MPx> oh market delta?
5:43 pm:<tuna> they're not my charts
5:44 pm:<tuna> mptrading posted them
5:44 pm:<MPx> post the real market delta website
5:44 pm:<MPx> Chad seen it already
5:44 pm:<LS_Chad> ah...I think I was able to view his links...let me check chat room
5:44 pm:<MPx> www.marketdelta.com
5:45 pm:<tuna> check the bid ask,,and the volume chart
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> no...maybe not
5:45 pm:<tuna> 3;59pm
5:45 pm:<MPx> http://www.marketdelta.com/top10setups.aspx?nav=2
5:45 pm:<MPx> here Chad
5:45 pm:<MPx> showed u this over a year ago
5:46 pm:<tuna> macs cant open those charts?
5:46 pm:<MPx> its where the AVOL-BVOL came from
5:46 pm:<MPx> nope
5:46 pm:<MPx> it's the file type
5:46 pm:<MPx> one browser did and the other didn't
5:46 pm:<tuna> jeez
5:46 pm:<MPx> Chad could not open it either
5:46 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I see now
5:47 pm:<MPx> hesnot on a Mac
5:47 pm:<tuna> thank gawd
5:48 pm:<tuna> see its basically just a split chart
5:48 pm:<MPx> AVOL-BVOL displayed on a bar type chart
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...interesting stuff
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> would be a pretty big project...basically a whole new chart type
5:49 pm:<MPx> yes
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> I don't see it fitting in with anything we currently have
5:49 pm:<tuna> u see what i see chad?
5:49 pm:<MPx> I have found no advantage to using it
5:49 pm:<MPx> *using
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> I see this
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.marketdelta.com/images/Screenshots/ES05102005Trend.PNG
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> I get the idea..have seen it before
5:49 pm:<MPx> was noise more than anything to me
5:49 pm:<MPx> y
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> what about ....augmenting the volume profile chart...
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> to just show activity of last "x seconds" or last "y trades"?
5:50 pm:<MPx> y
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> seems like that would be good for live trading
5:50 pm:<MPx> very fast and hard to read live and make sense of it
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> would basically give you exactly this...on the most recent activity
5:50 pm:<MPx> yes
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> but visually
5:50 pm:<tuna> there was a volume chart
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> right..I see the volume profile to the right
5:51 pm:<tuna> no
5:51 pm:<MPx> its like color coding based on volume
5:51 pm:<tuna> vol at each tic
5:51 pm:<LS_Chad> but user could have two vol prof charts open...one showing activity of last 20 seconds maybe...
5:51 pm:<LS_Chad> another showing last 120 seconds...
5:51 pm:<tuna> mptradings charts
5:51 pm:<MPx> can do that on a traditional chart with a scan
5:52 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna...you're familiar with our vol prof charts
5:52 pm:<MPx> color code the candle's range depending on where the BVOL-AVOL trades are
5:52 pm:<tuna> if u cant view them i guess there's no point
5:52 pm:<LS_Chad> that chart the day's volume at each tick...divided into buy and sell volume...as a histogram
5:52 pm:<MPx> y
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> imagine that ..showing only last x seconds activity
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> 20 seconds, 5 minutes, whatever
5:53 pm:<MPx> its a wickless candle showing you traded volume
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> y
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> I've gotta run guys.....have a good evening....talk to you tomorrow
5:54 pm:<MPx> I did this with AVOL-BVOL and a scan showing me total at the bottom
5:54 pm:<MPx> exactly like this Tuna
5:54 pm:<MPx> ciao
5:54 pm:<MPx> net amount of buy/sell side volume.
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> nite everyone, good trading this week...