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4:26 pm:<Mike> Hello amw. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:26 pm:<amw> yo
4:27 pm:<ls_Noel> hey mike..:)
4:27 pm:<ls_Noel> and everyone.
4:27 pm:<Mike> Hi Noel :) great to see you here
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4:30 pm:<Mike> Hello LS_Chad. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:31 pm:<Mike> 822 version I see Chad :)
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4:32 pm:<Mike> Hello LS_Bill. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:32 pm:<zonez> wow wall 2 wall LS hi all
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4:32 pm:<Mike> Hello glars. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> Hey guys
4:33 pm:<Mike> ok Linnsoft news/updates first....???
4:33 pm:<amw> hello chad
4:33 pm:<amw> hello Mike
4:33 pm:<amw> hello everyone
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> I think everyone in here is from JP room
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4:34 pm:<Mike> Hello krunch. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> so not going to tell you much I haven't already :)
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT 8.3 will be next update, it's a major update for Mac OS X users primarily so I think it
will be available initially as a beta for OS X
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> but 8.3 for Windows will be a regular maintenance release
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> Yea....8.3 beta is probably in order for the TPO and Volume Profile stuff as well
4:35 pm:<zonez> :)
4:35 pm:<Mike> when for both please?
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> okay, we'll make them both beta
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4:35 pm:<Mike> they need TPO new things before fri :)
4:35 pm:<Mike> Hello David. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> Here is latest look at Volume Profile
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/vp_prefs.jpg
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> soon, I will be out of town Friday, so I hope to have it available before then
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> if not then next week
4:35 pm:<Mike> great Bill hope before :)
4:36 pm:<David> hello, I will be switching from DTN IQFeed to IB-DTN tomorrow, what steps do I need to take
for smooth transition
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4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> so far the new OS X release is working only on OS X 10.4 Tiger
4:37 pm:<Mike> Hello MPx. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:37 pm:<MPx> what did I miss?
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> I tested it on Panther 10.3.9 release and it did not do so well
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> there will be a beta ready soon, 8.3
4:38 pm:<Mike> i pasted chat to him
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> ok
4:38 pm:<Mike> Bill you try on a G5 mac?
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> and the latest on tpo charts....
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpo_prefs.jpg
4:38 pm:<MPx> Tiger only is fine...any G5 specific speed advantages Bill?
4:39 pm:<MPx> *speed
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't have a G5, just a lowly dual processor G4, and I may just skip the G5 generation and
go straight to Intel dual
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> see this Daniel: http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/vp_prefs.jpg
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, 8.3 for OS X is optimized for G5 using latest gcc 4 compiler from Apple
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> optimized for G5 instruction scheduling, runs faster than before
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> even on a G4
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/profiles.jpg
4:40 pm:<Mike> Bill mac mini $800 announced today no screen dual core intel chip
4:40 pm:<MPx> good
4:40 pm:<MPx> I agree
4:40 pm:<MPx> skip G5
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> what kind of chip speed mike
4:41 pm:<Mike> 1.66 ghz I think
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> David....basically, will just need to change your symbols....
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> www.linnsoft.com/symbols
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4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> that page will give you the new symbols
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> if stocks, not much to it...futures are little trickier
4:41 pm:<amw> Chad, I'm having problems with my euro daily downloads? Missing data.
4:41 pm:<krunch> http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> chad came up with a good idea for helping clients with ticker symbols
4:41 pm:<Mike> Hello fcat. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> in next relase you can right-click on a ticker in qp and choose Copy
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> and IRT puts the ticker setup info on the clipboard for pasting into emails, chat, etc.
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> BP #F:AUTO:0, "BP #F" type=Future, fmt=100 aliases=[BP #F, n/a], mon=DI hours=[09:30 -
16:30], underlying=, expiry=
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4:43 pm:<Mike> Hello IRT_USER. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> amw, you're downloading from IB, right? (not using dtnma)
4:43 pm:<amw> using both
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4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> so downloading from dtnma?
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> the daily data?
4:44 pm:<Mike> Bill I get IB tick dl info for you now. from Croc a German here on other net
4:44 pm:<amw> y
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> you have the alias ticker setup properly?
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> @EUH6 it looks like
4:44 pm:<amw> @EURH6
4:44 pm:<amw> yep
4:44 pm:<MPx> man every time i try to see Chad's link the chat setup window pops up and have a hard time
closing it
4:45 pm:<amw> tried with and without a space
4:45 pm:<David> same here
4:45 pm:<David> now I can not get ride of it
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> yea....I've seen that MPx...just switch over to another program and back..and then can
close...strange bug
4:45 pm:<MPx> hmm
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> on our web site, I'm showing @EUH6...but that may be type-o
4:46 pm:<MPx> but still cant view your link
4:46 pm:<David> mine will not go away
4:46 pm:<MPx> hit cancle repeatedly
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/vp_prefs.jpg
4:46 pm:<amw> that was it
4:46 pm:<David> ok that got it
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4:46 pm:<amw> leave the r out
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4:47 pm:<MPx> ah ok
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> ah....great
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4:47 pm:<MPx> volume profile enhancements...kewl
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...gotta get the ticker right
4:47 pm:<krunch> info on how to write .dll plugin's starting from scratch?
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> do you have the SDK package
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> Daniel....basically..I'm breaking down the buy and sell volume....
4:47 pm:<MPx> AVOL-BVOL?
4:47 pm:<amw> is there a list of symbols for the futures somewhere?
4:48 pm:<amw> to use in the alias
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I'm also providing an option to chart "price and volume", "price and time (in seconds)", or
"price and trades"
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.linnsoft.com/sdk/
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> and break each one down into buy and sell volume
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> showing the bid and ask...with sizes, etc
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/profiles.jpg
4:48 pm:<MPx> nice
4:48 pm:<David> chad will we be able to do it with a 5 min bar?
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> amw, see www.linnsoft.com/symbols
4:48 pm:<David> breakdown that small
4:48 pm:<IRT_USER> I seem to have saved my Nick as IRt_User....is there an way to change that?
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> Well....you also now have an option to show "last x minutes or seconds"
4:48 pm:<Mike> yes think so Davev
4:48 pm:<amw> beautiful, thanks chad
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, type /nick and a new name
4:49 pm:<zonez> go to esignal
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> so this chart can be based on only the last 5 minutes, or last 30 seconds...of activity
4:49 pm:<Mike> yes type /nick new nickname
4:49 pm:<MPx> ah good
4:49 pm:<IRT_USER> thanks
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> also, many tpo enhancements... http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpo_prefs.jpg
4:49 pm:<MPx> full day and last hour will be most useful
4:49 pm:<Mike> Chad can play back for TPO be based on the timestamp? ie playback at 10x the time please
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> including playback
4:49 pm:<MPx> very nice
4:50 pm:<David> I am already registered for IB data but do not have the DTN with it, do I need to re-register
tomorrow
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> plays back one letter at a time...manually, or automatically
4:51 pm:<MPx> yah get DTN/IB combo it is really worth it
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> you will be renewed automatically 1st day of each month
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> unless you notify us not to
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> did you want to add DTN server
4:51 pm:<David> but I did not set up the DTN feature
4:51 pm:<David> yes
4:51 pm:<MPx> Chad we can just set a particular day inthe TPO chart and hit playback and it will be reaplaing
the day's action at what ever speed we choose?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, I'll let Noel know to set you up for that
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4:52 pm:<Mike> Hello Eddy. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> Daniel...yes..essentially
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> any tpo chart that you can bring up currently
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> you can playback
4:52 pm:<MPx> nice!
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> includes multiple days...multi-day....split charts, etc
4:53 pm:<David> Bill, will DTN fill in any missing data that I did not get with IB?
4:53 pm:<MPx> ok then maybe it's a good time to report a bug I noticed
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..pretty slick...you can playback during day even...whole day in seconds
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> can specify 0.10 seconds/tpo if you want
4:53 pm:<Mike> Chad can you playback based on time meaning multiply the time
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> never a bad time to report a bug
4:53 pm:<MPx> when u want to view more than 15 or 20 days something gos wrong and the most recent few days
gets kicked out fo the chart
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> best time is when you find it ;)
4:53 pm:<IRT_USER> To write a Scan for Day High on a 5min chart....would be (CL>dayhigh)?
4:54 pm:<Mike> not all letters in reality are there for same time
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> 15-20 in one profile?
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> or split
4:54 pm:<MPx> yes
4:54 pm:<MPx> setting multi profiles day 1020
4:54 pm:<MPx> view lasy 20
4:54 pm:<MPx> last*
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> wait
4:55 pm:<MPx> 1020 mins last 20 days
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> 1020 minutes/profile?
4:55 pm:<MPx> k
4:55 pm:<MPx> y
4:55 pm:<MPx> sorry
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4:56 pm:<MPx> 30 mins per letter no session overide multi profiles day set to 1020 mins
4:56 pm:<MPx> 20 days back
4:56 pm:<Terry> Chad, is IRT going to be able to do what Market Delta does as far as showing the volume at
extreme dry up on bid or ask?
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> is 1020 a full day?
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4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> or you're splitting RTH and overnight?
4:57 pm:<MPx> the latter
4:57 pm:<Mike> I think so Terry
4:57 pm:<Mike> Terry you seen Charts Chad posted last few days?
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4:57 pm:<Terry> Some.
4:57 pm:<MPx> if set to 1050 is it
4:57 pm:<MPx> sorry
4:57 pm:<MPx> my mistake
4:58 pm:<Mike> Chad even done some special new Market Delta things ! ti me based, trade based, and has filter
for lot size even :)
4:58 pm:<MPx> lol
4:58 pm:<MPx> man Im doing too many things at once
4:58 pm:<Mike> Like link again Terry?
4:58 pm:<Terry> When will it be out?
4:58 pm:<MPx> Chad the rth/night session split settings
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> will try to get out next few days....
4:58 pm:<Terry> yes.
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> I would say....pretty much, yes, Terry
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> but will have to get feedback from you guys to let me know what's missing
4:59 pm:<tuna_1> i like that lot filter idea
4:59 pm:<Mike> terry: http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/profiles.jpg
4:59 pm:<Mike> I think JP will like filter to see larger guys a lot also!
5 pm:<MPx> se the bug Chad?
5 pm:<Mike> terry: http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/vp_20060227.jpg
5 pm:<Mike> Other Questions/Issues/thoughts/ideas anyone...
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5 pm:<David> When DTN backfills data that IB has not soon does it ever leave gaps in the data or is it
complete
5 pm:<krunch> yes filter ok, but remember that market turns volume is drying up, might not show turn
5:01 pm:<krunch> if filer is on
5:01 pm:<Mike> right krunch have one for all and another chart to see big boys
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I see that MPx....I'll look into it
5:01 pm:<krunch> yep
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> OS X users: here is some pre-release documentation on the new 8.3 release, there are some
major changes in the way the product is installed
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> I would put that in the obscure bug category :)....I think you're reaching the limit of
profiles that can be shown
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.linnsoft.com/dl/osx/beta/Read%20Me.rtfd.zip
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> 30 may be limit
5:02 pm:<MPx> ah
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> which would explain why you have problems over 15
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> can just do "ending x days back" right?
5:02 pm:<MPx> because it's split maybe 40 cannot make it?
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> right
5:02 pm:<MPx> k
5:02 pm:<MPx> i see
5:02 pm:<David> chad did you look into the tick chart issue with the offset EMA envelope? The envelope is
there only when I go back
5:02 pm:<MPx> so I would have to turn off the multi profiles day to see that far back
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> added 6 new ref lines
5:03 pm:<MPx> k
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5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> 3 auto-IB multiples lines
5:03 pm:<MPx> 6!!!
5:03 pm:<krunch> thirty is a stat significant student T test number, nice to look at that many for larger
picture
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5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> an Opening Range line
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..see prefs
5:03 pm:<MPx> k
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> you now have 3 IB lines...each with own "%" of the IB
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> can do 150, 200, 300, etc
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> opening range....with user specified # of minutes
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> so some may not even need ref lines anymore
5:04 pm:<MPx> ah
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> also..Volume Bars are now user-specified colors
5:04 pm:<MPx> ref lines are for something else ;-)
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> and "rainbow" letters can now have any background color you like
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5:04 pm:<tuna_1> i knew Daniel would like this
5:05 pm:<MPx> hehe
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5:06 pm:<David> Chad see question above re EMA envelope on tick charts
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> during playback...all the values (VA, POC), show up based on where you are in playback
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5:06 pm:<Mike> Bill your osx Beta it will be a G5 specific version meaning G5 optimized code and 64 bit even?
then another version for g4's? I think complier has option for both? not sure?
5:06 pm:<Mike> Hello Dukester. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:06 pm:<Mike> hey Duke!
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...will try to look into that closer David...I was seeing some of this myself....just
been too busy to dig into it
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> its not 64 bit no
5:07 pm:<David> ok, np
5:07 pm:<Dukester> Hey Mike
5:08 pm:<Mike> well though there an option in Xcode to make a G5 optimized compile?
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> I've got tpo chart open with 20 days....playing it back at 0.10 seconds/tpo....pretty slick
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT is a 32-bit application, no advantage to 64 bit numerics unless you can enlighten me
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> takes about 10 seconds per day
5:08 pm:<Mike> lol chad
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> of course, Mike, I already said IRT 8.3 is optimized for G5 PowerPC chip
5:08 pm:<David> that is fast
5:09 pm:<David> cya later, thanks
5:09 pm:<MPx> slick
5:09 pm:<Mike> Chad can you have option to playback a speed x time stamp vs letter?
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5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> no...not initially...
5:09 pm:<Mike> humm ok
5:10 pm:<Mike> well reality is some letter price is at for 3 seconds other letters maybe 3 minutes
5:10 pm:<MPx> hmmm
5:10 pm:<MPx> we have a global chart playback time?
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> maybe Mike
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> but who wants to sit there and look at a chart that isn't changing for a long time
5:11 pm:<Mike> well that like real trading
5:11 pm:<Mike> best to multiple time or option to at least
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> playback also clearly shows the time of each new letter as it progresses...so know exactly
where you are
5:11 pm:<krunch> timing real time its all about timing
5:11 pm:<Mike> anyways good start...
5:11 pm:<MPx> but what if we want to see a whole day play back...can just set it to play at 5 times the speed
and wacth it?
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...thanks Mike...I try ;)
5:11 pm:<MPx> or do we have to set each and every letter to a specific time
5:11 pm:<krunch> variable at market turn points
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> will be easy enough to do both going forward
5:12 pm:<Mike> great
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> let's just see how this option works
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> each letter MPx
5:13 pm:<MPx> ok...so can you explain how it would work right now if I wanted to play the current day at 5 X
the speed?
5:13 pm:<Mike> then they will ask for other charts also, and ability to trade off playback into simulator
portfolio fyi
5:13 pm:<tuna_1> dan it think you can set any playback speed u want
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> setup to "x seconds per letter/tpo"
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> but can also pause and play manually...going forward one tpo at a time
5:14 pm:<zonez> backward?
5:14 pm:<Mike> lol
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> the "play" button will always "restart" you
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> so sort of
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> but backward...no...that's a tough one....I'd have to redo my code to "take out" trades
5:14 pm:<MPx> ok have prefs window of it?
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> not worth that
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...posted already
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> hang on
5:14 pm:<Mike> need start time maybe, so many users can playback same tiem and discuss in chat rooms
5:15 pm:<MPx> k
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpo_prefs.jpg
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> see lower right corner
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> and lower left corner of chart
5:15 pm:<Mike> capice :)
5:16 pm:<Mike> Bill Chad needs working mic to talk in JP 's room :)
5:16 pm:<krunch> lol, rig up phone to computer
5:16 pm:<MPx> ok so I see a Playback Rate...looks global
5:17 pm:<krunch> no, I think he would have been cussing today had he had a phone
5:17 pm:<amw> Is there away to remove the "connect to ib Yes No", os that IRT will connect automatically when
I'm away?
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> per chart
5:17 pm:<krunch> oop's mic
5:17 pm:<MPx> how is it "letter" specific
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> guys...I'm going to have to run...gotta pick up the boys
5:17 pm:<Mike> .5 sec each D I think Dan
5:18 pm:<MPx> OH
5:18 pm:<MPx> lol
5:18 pm:<MPx> ok Chad
5:18 pm:<MPx> ciao
5:18 pm:<krunch> thanks chad
5:18 pm:<amw> can anyone else answer my question?
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> per individual letter, MPx
5:18 pm:<Mike> anw let me look
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> one single new letter per 0.5 seconds, etc
5:18 pm:<amw> thanks mike
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> Bill should pick up your question shortly amw
5:19 pm:<Mike> anw in IB setup menu there 2 check boxes to auto reconnect
5:19 pm:<MPx> ok so if set like that..I can leave it and the whole chart will play back each letter
5:19 pm:<amw> thanks chad
5:19 pm:<tuna_1> thx chad
5:19 pm:<krunch> how about being able to spread irc to several crt's
5:19 pm:<tuna_1> nice work btw
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...MPx, you just hit "play" button in the chart...to start the playback
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> X to end it
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> || to pause it
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> + to step forward one letter
5:19 pm:<Mike> get it to JP Chad :)
5:20 pm:<MPx> guess I will have to try it
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> this playback will be a nice tool to have...you're gonna like it
5:20 pm:<MPx> our communication isn't clear
5:20 pm:<Mike> Bill osx 830 beta will have Chad's new TPO things I assume?
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> and can do it during session, without missing a tick
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, we have not merged yet, but we plan to before release
5:21 pm:<LS_Chad> later guys
5:21 pm:<MPx> get the kids Chad you dont want to drve fast!
5:21 pm:<krunch> thanks chad
5:21 pm:<krunch> bill, how bout floating windows
5:22 pm:<krunch> for multiple crt's
5:22 pm:<krunch> or flat pannels as far as that goes
5:22 pm:<krunch> lol
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> floating windows are the norm in our OS X version, but for MS Windows, there are some
problems
5:22 pm:<MPx> ok Bill do we have an OS X beta to urn right now?
5:22 pm:<MPx> *run
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> not yet, later this week we hope
5:22 pm:<MPx> k
5:23 pm:<MPx> btw Bill Mac mini with intel chip $799
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> krunch, I did some experimentation with floating chart windows
5:23 pm:<krunch> ok, glad you are working on it
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> it works but there are some things about the floating window that you lose when you float it
5:24 pm:<amw> Mike I have those boxes checked in IRT, but IB won't let IRT in without me hitting the OK on the
dialogue box that pops up when I'm disconnected.
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> you lose the ability to maximize and minimize the window
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> you lose precise pinning of toolbar when you activate the window
5:24 pm:<Mike> anw need to add protected IP to TWS
5:24 pm:<krunch> can ya still pull it larger and smaller at edges?
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> and there are menu commands like File: Save: that don't "see" that window
5:24 pm:<Mike> my TWS on PC did not save it though
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, you can resize it manually
5:24 pm:<krunch> good enough
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> with these limitations, it looks like it would be acceptable for some
5:25 pm:<Mike> agree Bill many might like that with limitations :)
5:25 pm:<amw> what is IP address?
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> useful primarily as a way of putting charts on other monitors
5:25 pm:<Mike> 127.0.0.1 i think
5:25 pm:<krunch> well, most would want custom fit rather than full screan
5:25 pm:<MPx> incase you need an in house intel mac...for $1099 you can get a Mac mini with 2gig for yourself
5:25 pm:<tuna_1> right
5:25 pm:<krunch> if ya wanted to save it , ya move it to main screen
5:25 pm:<Mike> my TWS on PC did not retain that ip number though for me nee dMPX to try it i guess
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> I think IRT can remember the size of each window okay
5:26 pm:<amw> that did it
5:26 pm:<Mike> great anw :)
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> if the window is "floating" you should not even move it over the rest of the IRT workspace
5:26 pm:<amw> RT just got a lot better
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> because it covers everything
5:26 pm:<Mike> reopen that TWS and is IP still in there anw?
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> floats above all other dependent windows in the page
5:26 pm:<krunch> this is the os x version
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> krunch, you on osx ?
5:27 pm:<krunch> no, xp
5:27 pm:<krunch> but might consider changing
5:27 pm:<MPx> no
5:27 pm:<tuna_1> jeez
5:27 pm:<MPx> don't change form XP to OS X
5:28 pm:<krunch> ok
5:28 pm:<MPx> wait
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> anyway, I may not have time to get the floating option into 8.3 initially but will do more
on this when I have time
5:28 pm:<MPx> k
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> looks to me that making it a chart by chart option is the way to do
5:28 pm:<Mike> wow tons of great news Bill
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> for all chart types, and probably for quotepages as well
5:28 pm:<Mike> on mac and PC side it seems
5:29 pm:<Mike> great Bill
5:29 pm:<krunch> well, irt has so many good features it is hard to flip through them all on one monoter
5:29 pm:<Mike> Well JP and others would love to see them float
5:29 pm:<tuna_1> yes
5:29 pm:<krunch> thanks for your efforts in this regard
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> k
5:30 pm:<Mike> float will be big item for PC I feel Bill
5:30 pm:<tuna_1> yes
5:30 pm:<Mike> or not floating might be deterrent i guess better to say
5:30 pm:<tuna_1> yes
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> how do other apps that float windows and also have a "task window" like IRT has, denote the
distinction between floating and non floating
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> is there some kind of visual control that you click to "float" and "unfloat" the window?
5:31 pm:<tuna_1> on esig yes
5:31 pm:<krunch> I have four monitors and well would like to fill up more space with irt product
5:31 pm:<Mike> great Krunch!
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> what does eSignal do?
5:32 pm:<krunch> don't use esignal, never have
5:32 pm:<tuna_1> a little blue box at the top of the chart floats and unfloats it
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm looking for some ideas on how to handle this float/unfloat distinction from a user
interface perspective
5:33 pm:<krunch> wait a sec
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I think the user should be able to see that the window is floating
5:33 pm:<Mike> button with F on menu title areas maybe Bill
5:33 pm:<tuna_1> yeah
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> if you float a window it covers any other IRT windows even dialog boxes and such
5:33 pm:<Mike> to left of minimize button maybe
5:33 pm:<tuna_1> that would work
5:34 pm:<Mike> dialogs could not be forced to be front of all?
5:34 pm:<krunch> http://digitaltigers.com/zenview.shtml might help, don't know
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5:35 pm:<tuna_1> when u float an esig chart it will sit on top too
5:35 pm:<reza> hi Bill I have a question
5:36 pm:<tuna_1> the idea is to drag to elsewhere
5:36 pm:<tuna_1> click the box again and it becomes docked
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> where is that box?
5:37 pm:<tuna_1> left of the minimize button
5:37 pm:<tuna_1> left
5:37 pm:<Mike> wow I guessed it :)
5:38 pm:<Mike> it change from F to U maybe :)
5:38 pm:<tuna_1> hang on ill post a chart
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5:38 pm:<MPx> F U?
5:38 pm:<krunch> digitaltigers has their own software,interface developed
5:39 pm:<MPx> what are u talking about?
5:39 pm:<krunch> left out the ck mike
5:39 pm:<krunch> lol
5:39 pm:<reza> Bill are you there?
5:39 pm:<Mike> read back Dan: floating IRT windows on PC's
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
5:40 pm:<MPx> so what's the digitaltigers thing about?
5:40 pm:<Mike> Hi REza
5:41 pm:<reza> hi i was wondering if you could include a feature within the trend line tool to measure the
amount of volume from point A to point B
5:41 pm:<tuna_1> sob,,,esig crops it out
5:41 pm:<reza> like you can do it with amount of bars
5:41 pm:<tuna_1> http://www.geocities.com/c_s_s7410/snapshot-171.png
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> nice idea reza
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll put it on the list but I don't know when I'll get to it ;-)
5:42 pm:<reza> thanks
5:42 pm:<tuna_1> but on top there are buttons
5:43 pm:<Mike> lol Tuna
5:43 pm:<reza> have a good day all
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5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> are the buttons part of the ms windows title bar across the very top of the window?
5:44 pm:<tuna_1> every chart yes
5:45 pm:<tuna_1> close max min,,,etc
5:45 pm:<Mike> tuna need a screen capture program to grab what you desire
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't know how to do that, but I'll look into it
5:46 pm:<tuna_1> then the blue buttons to the left
5:47 pm:<tuna_1> for the chart float
5:47 pm:<tuna_1> and some other stuff
5:48 pm:<Mike> Other Questions anyone???
5:49 pm:<Mike> issues? help??
5:49 pm:<Mike> Duke all good?
5:49 pm:<krunch> how do I get yesterdays profile to stay and start reading over night data on same screen
5:49 pm:<Mike> Bill Chad done great things fyi :)
5:50 pm:<fcat> I always have issues :)
5:50 pm:<krunch> yes, chad working on lot of things of value
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> assign an override session to the TPO chart that covers the trading hours you wish to see
5:50 pm:<Mike> Krunch data into TPO chart is controlled by session settings
5:51 pm:<Mike> 1. session of instrument needs to be a 24 hr session
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> normally you would let the instrument session be 24 hours overnight session
5:51 pm:<Mike> then 2. TPO needs to be set to not sue session override
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> and then override the TPO to the day session
5:51 pm:<krunch> yep, but i want to look at yesterdays profile with out the 24 hour tpo's while viewing todays
24 hour tpos
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> well, mike, you can switch the chart to day session if you wish
5:52 pm:<Mike> krunch need two charts.
5:52 pm:<krunch> lol
5:52 pm:<krunch> guess so
5:52 pm:<Mike> 1 set to 24 hr session, other set to override to day session data
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> key is to have the entire data available for the symbol, that requires that the instrument
session be set to the more time encompassing hours
5:53 pm:<Mike> Other last items?? we need to allow Bill time to get to float issue...
5:54 pm:<Mike> thanks for your 90 minutes of great direct time Bill! Incredible for us users to be in such
touch with you all. thanks a million :)
5:54 pm:<krunch> have default set to 24 hour and then session over ride set to day session, but want to look
at over night while still in day profile mode from yesterday and on back
5:54 pm:<krunch> yep, thanks
5:54 pm:<fcat> bill did you get my email regarding incomplete iq feed postmarket data?
5:54 pm:<Mike> unckeck session override in prefs then apply data TPOS will redraw
5:55 pm:<Mike> then recheck, apply button data/TPO be day again
5:55 pm:<MPx> Bill what specific OS X advantages are there in the new Xcode bompiled build
5:55 pm:<MPx> ?
5:56 pm:<MPx> compiled*
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> faster app
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> instant config for data services
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> no need to stop and start IRT when changing feed source
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT has a real OS X icon now
5:59 pm:<MPx> ah
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> and IRT windows in the dock have the RT badge
5:59 pm:<Mike> fcat: bill did you get my email regarding incomplete iq feed postmarket data?
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> preference menu in InvestorRT menu
5:59 pm:<Mike> graphics might draw better faster more efficient even Bill
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> better adherence to apple standards, e.g command+period
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6 pm:<MPx> noticed any speed improvements as far as amount of charts one can have open?
6 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT is now a "mach-o" (unix) application build with Apple carbon framework
6 pm:<MPx> ah
6 pm:<Mike> yes is CPI more efficient Bill?
6 pm:<LS_Bill> this means IRT can now start tapping into apple frameworks easily going forward
6 pm:<Mike> CPU
6 pm:<MPx> xclnt
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> optimization is for G5 so it runs very fast on G5, as fast as it can anyway
6:01 pm:<MPx> does this mean you have to work on 2 separate IRT version snow?
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> sets the stage for intel chip version of IRT for OS X
6:01 pm:<MPx> ah good
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> well, I would like to just freeze the classic version
6:01 pm:<Mike> CPU usage was because of drawing calls I believe
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> and encourage everyone to go to OS X
6:01 pm:<Mike> I'd hope so on that!
6:02 pm:<Mike> absolutely
6:02 pm:<MPx> yes it's about time
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> we still have a few dozen holdouts
6:02 pm:<Mike> they had 10 years!
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> right now 8.3 only works on Tiger
6:02 pm:<Mike> IRT's 10 year anniversary this year! when is it's bday?
6:02 pm:<MPx> well the OS9 version is fast
6:02 pm:<Mike> few dozen wow
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> Sept 06 is 10th year anniv
6:03 pm:<MPx> hmmm Tiger only?
6:03 pm:<MPx> you might hear some complaints!
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> the interesting thing is that IRT all these years has been running with a Unix database
system that was ported to mac classic
6:03 pm:<MPx> will u compile for all OSX?
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> so now I have ported it back to OS X unix using Xcode
6:03 pm:<MPx> LOL
6:04 pm:<MPx> too funny
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> come full circle
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> so the database system should run a lot better
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> it's also G5 optimized of course
6:04 pm:<Mike> graphic calls i'm concerned with!
6:04 pm:<krunch> what is tiger?
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> the utilities seem to run faster
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> tiger is apple codeword for OS X 10.4 release
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> their latest OS X
6:05 pm:<krunch> oh, wont be switching to os x
6:05 pm:<krunch> lol
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> dbverify was twice as fast on a small database
6:05 pm:<Mike> my G5 is waiting spying on beta dl folder :)
6:05 pm:<HaydenK> Good night all
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> and about 40% faster on the derr devil database
6:06 pm:*** HaydenK has left
6:06 pm:<Mike> great
6:06 pm:<fcat> high hopes for osx version here
6:06 pm:<Mike> key is running charts Bill and CPU usage and lag
6:06 pm:<Mike> you osx also fcat?
6:06 pm:<Mike> Fcat Bill answer your question?
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> the software is now what apple calls a "bundle" application
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6:06 pm:<fcat> like to get rid of this windows pos
6:06 pm:<MPx> yeah
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> to install u just move one icon to the /Applications folder
6:07 pm:<MPx> one app one db and one pref file
6:07 pm:<Steve_W> hi all
6:07 pm:<MPx> y
6:07 pm:<MPx> u did that Bill?
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> that one icon, called InvestorRT.app has all the software and support files in it
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> did what?
6:07 pm:<Mike> Hello Steve_W. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
6:07 pm:<MPx> u did this with OSX/IRT now?
6:07 pm:<MPx> bundled it
6:07 pm:<Mike> yes Dan
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, it's part of the way Xcode builds applications
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.linnsoft.com/dl/osx/beta/Read%20Me.rtfd.zip
6:08 pm:<Steve_W> bill i moved the IRT folder to program files and the reran the installer (after deleting the
desktop icon.
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> that document describes the new OS X changes, lots of pretty pictures
6:08 pm:<fcat> no mike on pc for trading only -- which is one use too many
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> yes steve
6:08 pm:<Steve_W> IRT installed to the new directory but it left the backup folder in the root directory6 in
the old IRT location
6:09 pm:<MPx> yes I know how they do it...have multiple books on OSX app coding etc just wondered if you also
did it that way now
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> right, you have to reset your backup directory prefs
6:09 pm:<Steve_W> ok
6:09 pm:<Steve_W> as long as you know
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, MPX, bundling is the way to do things now
6:09 pm:<MPx> xclnt
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> so the feedlibs, I/RT itself, the help file and a few other resource files are all part of
the .app bundle
6:10 pm:<fcat> get my email bill?
6:10 pm:<MPx> xclnt Bill
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> the InvestorRT folder needs to reside outside of /Applications
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> normally in the user home directory or a sub folder of it
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> this is all describe in the read me file I mentioned above
6:10 pm:<MPx> k
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> so there won't even be an installer anymore
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> you just download the disk image dmg file, and drag the .app icon into /applications and you
are installed
6:11 pm:<MPx> yes
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> you can rename the older one before you replace it if you wish
6:12 pm:<MPx> my IRT icon has not worked in over a year
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> it tested it by dragging the .app from my development machine over the network onto a
powerbook running 10.4
6:13 pm:<MPx> but it's carbon/classic based and I don't have classic installed
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> the IRT icon in releases before 8.3 was not recognized by OS X
6:13 pm:<MPx> ah
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> because IRT was not a bundled app
6:13 pm:<MPx> right
6:13 pm:<Mike> my icon was ok though
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> you see, none of this was possible until XVT was ready for Xcode, that was key to moving
there
6:13 pm:<MPx> yeah
6:14 pm:<Mike> stop teasing us Bill. beta testers and G5 very ready to test!
6:14 pm:<Mike> Dan let him go compile an osx app :)
6:14 pm:<Mike> say prayers :)
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> well I have to get Chad's great TPO stuff in there first
6:14 pm:<Mike> Fcat you get answer?
6:14 pm:<fcat> not that I know of
6:14 pm:<Mike> well if you have g5 app i test as is be ok!?
6:14 pm:<Mike> ok fcat: bill did you get my email regarding incomplete iq feed postmarket data?
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> daily bars?
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> oh, yes, the issue with the after market trading
6:15 pm:<fcat> no last price..etc
6:15 pm:<fcat> yes
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, I emailed DTN developer contact and he has not responded
6:16 pm:<fcat> get bid ask
6:16 pm:<fcat> not last ok
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> I will ring his chime again
6:16 pm:<fcat> ty
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> I determined that IRT is programmed to get the after market trade price
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> as I thought
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> and at one time this was working
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> so I suspect something changed and they are sending the after hours trade price is a
different fashion now
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> and did not tell me
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> thus the bid ask fluctuates without the last price changing...
6:17 pm:<fcat> ok seems odd every time I look at tos 10 gazillion shares have gone by at the same price ;-)
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> did anyone dl that read me document yet?
6:17 pm:<Mike> yes
6:17 pm:<fcat> yes
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> does it display properly after download
6:18 pm:<fcat> yes
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> first time I've used that file format
6:18 pm:<fcat> perfect
6:18 pm:<Mike> well it has a quick time movie icon Bill
6:18 pm:<Mike> unzipped it is ok
6:18 pm:<Mike> zipped fiel is QT movie icon
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you os x guys think about the InvestRT folder placement revisions
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> do you think that will be a problem for the OS X users
6:18 pm:<fcat> not here mike
6:19 pm:<Mike> I'll make IRT folders in App folders still I think Bill and keep all there
6:19 pm:<fcat> shows as text edit icon here
6:19 pm:<Mike> the zip file Fcat?
6:19 pm:<fcat> yes
6:19 pm:<MPx> folder replacement?
6:19 pm:<MPx> u mean bundled app?
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> folder placement
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> no
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> the .app goes into /Applications
6:20 pm:<Mike> you read read me Dan?
6:20 pm:<MPx> yes as I put it right now
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> the proper place for user files is in your local user directory
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> in the past we were keeping the user data inside the InvestorRT Folder in applications
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> which doesn't work except for administrative OS X users
6:21 pm:<MPx> ah ok u mean the prefs file
6:21 pm:<Mike> do what is proper Bill users will osx users be ok with change I'd guess
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> prefs and database files and admin files etc. etc
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> OS X is a multi-user OS inherently
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> each user has his own private directory
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> a subfolder of /users/
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> where his data goes
6:23 pm:<LS_Bill> the /applications folder is where just the applications go, I/RT, Safari, iMovie, iPhoto,
etc
6:23 pm:<LS_Bill> the user data goes inside your "home" directory
6:23 pm:<fcat> understood
6:23 pm:<LS_Bill> so this is the model I'm recommending going forward
6:24 pm:<Mike> in home in documents?
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> put your InvestorRT folder inside your home directory someplace
6:24 pm:<fcat> that's how it should be
6:24 pm:<Mike> or could be an IRT folder in /user
6:24 pm:<MPx> but in what folder in the local user?
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> the "standard" place is ~/Library/Application Support/
6:24 pm:<MPx> application support
6:24 pm:<MPx> oh ok
6:24 pm:<Mike> I see IBJTS and Autotrader folder sin my user home
6:24 pm:<MPx> yes
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> that's where IRT looks first
6:24 pm:<MPx> understand now
6:24 pm:<MPx> that where it should go
6:25 pm:<fcat> yup
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> but if you don't put it there IRT will ask you to id it
6:25 pm:<Mike> great Bill
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> e.g. you could put it directly inside your "home"
6:25 pm:<Mike> we ready :)
6:25 pm:<fcat> it will be put there automatically on install correct?
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> this way IRT never writes to any file inside the /Applications folder
6:26 pm:<LS_Bill> it only writes data into the users domain
6:26 pm:<fcat> *correct
6:26 pm:<LS_Bill> this is the way it must be if you have a non-admin user logged into OS X
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> in fact, this new way of doing things will support Mac OS X server setups where the home
directory for each user is not even on the same physical machine as the user is
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> e.g your home directory could reside on a remote server
6:27 pm:<MPx> ah ha!
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> we have at least one IRT OS X who runs his system this way
6:28 pm:<Mike> he he
6:28 pm:<Mike> not I
6:28 pm:<MPx> so does that mean multiple users could user IRt?
6:28 pm:<LS_Bill> running a single user mac in admin mode is very "mac classic" ;-)
6:28 pm:<MPx> form one db on a remote server?
6:28 pm:<LS_Bill> you need to get with it mike
6:29 pm:<Mike> I need to get that compile is all :)
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> sure, you could have a machine with say 3 non-admin user accounts each one with his own
local copy of the InvestorRT folder
6:29 pm:<Mike> need to l et you go upload one
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> each one running the same IRT application
6:29 pm:<Mike> but not many users into one IRT db?
6:29 pm:<MPx> simultaneously?
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> not simultaneously probably
6:30 pm:<MPx> k
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> unless you are in a server environment
6:30 pm:<MPx> that's what I men
6:30 pm:<MPx> man*
6:30 pm:<MPx> mean*
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> but say you have single mac, husband is a day trader, spouse is an end of day investor, both
have their own private IRT setup
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> when they log into OS X and start IRT they see their own private database
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> and it cannot be confused or accidentally updated by the other
6:32 pm:<fcat> could be sweet for post market trading
6:32 pm:<MPx> xclnt
6:32 pm:<fcat> one user set for session 0
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, you could create another OS X user account just for that
6:32 pm:<fcat> one for 31
6:33 pm:<fcat> then wouldn't interfere with ti's
6:33 pm:<LS_Bill> kind of like having multiple databases but OS X takes care of all the switching for you
6:33 pm:<fcat> pivot points for example
6:33 pm:<fcat> sweet
6:33 pm:<fcat> should I smash this pc now then?
6:33 pm:<fcat> would love to
6:34 pm:<Mike> no
6:34 pm:<Mike> wait t a bit yet
6:34 pm:<MPx> lol
6:34 pm:<MPx> no
6:34 pm:<fcat> it's been askin' for it
6:34 pm:<fcat> please
6:34 pm:<Mike> brb 60 mins :)
6:34 pm:<fcat> :)
6:34 pm:<LS_Bill> once all this settles in, I'm going to start looking at the intel mac possibilities
6:34 pm:<MPx> my P4 1.8 is running circles around my IRT/OSX
6:34 pm:<krunch> ok, you have my permission to wack away :)
6:34 pm:<MPx> Bill will u buy an intel mac?
6:35 pm:<Mike> we see on G5 IRT app Dan
6:35 pm:<LS_Bill> there will be some big issues with the database system there, due to the different byte
ordering of the architectures
6:35 pm:<MPx> cheap now came out today
6:35 pm:<fcat> thanks krunch
6:35 pm:<Mike> he can get developer price on the new mac mini dou core intel chip
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> any speculation of when Apple will release a high end desktop intel machine?
6:36 pm:<fcat> fall most likely bill
6:36 pm:<MPx> end of summer
6:36 pm:<fcat> will be last thing switched to intel
6:36 pm:<krunch> how bout amd chip set
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> I may just spring for the mini so I can get started
6:36 pm:<MPx> get a mac mini now for $1099 fully loaded
6:36 pm:<MPx> yes
6:37 pm:<LS_Bill> memory 2 gigs ?
6:37 pm:<Mike> he gets developer prices though also :)
6:37 pm:<fcat> no dual monitor support if that matters
6:37 pm:<Mike> might compile fast also!
6:37 pm:<MPx> but Bill can any of the XP/IRT code in relation to the database make it's way into the OSx86
version?
6:37 pm:<MPx> fcat
6:37 pm:<MPx> matrox
6:37 pm:<LS_Bill> developer pricing has never been a very big discount
6:37 pm:<MPx> has a box for dual monitors
6:37 pm:<Mike> i ask Bill
6:38 pm:<LS_Bill> what is it 10 or 15% off?
6:38 pm:<fcat> cool mpx
6:38 pm:<MPx> 15%
6:38 pm:<LS_Bill> better than Linnsoft ;-)
6:38 pm:<MPx> last I remember
6:38 pm:<fcat> bout the same as education discount then
6:39 pm:<fcat> any further recommendations as far as a cure for my data lag?
6:39 pm:<MPx> os X?
6:39 pm:<LS_Bill> so a load mini for about 850
6:40 pm:<MPx> no Bill
6:40 pm:<fcat> pretty much leaned it down as much as possible
6:40 pm:<MPx> u want the core duo
6:40 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
6:40 pm:<fcat> dual core mini 799
6:40 pm:<MPx> loaded 1.66 $1099 + tax
6:40 pm:<fcat> add $$ for ram
6:40 pm:<MPx> keyboard mouse 2 gig ram
6:40 pm:<LS_Bill> is that developer pricing?
6:41 pm:<fcat> retail
6:41 pm:<MPx> no no
6:41 pm:<MPx> walk in consumer
6:41 pm:<LS_Bill> superdrive I assume
6:41 pm:<MPx> if you ask me..I would take a look at the iMac vs the Mac ini and you will see how the iMac is a
much better buy
6:42 pm:<fcat> agree mpx
6:42 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't have any more room on my desk
6:42 pm:<fcat> lol
6:42 pm:<MPx> I priced both systems loaded and it was a $400 difference between the 2 AND you gtthe iMacs
scree and faster cpu
6:42 pm:<LS_Bill> I would just plus the mini into a usb kvm switch
6:42 pm:<LS_Bill> plug the mini
6:42 pm:<MPx> ah
6:43 pm:<LS_Bill> so I can toggle between Power PC mac and Intel mac with same monitor and keyboard
6:43 pm:<MPx> right
6:43 pm:<LS_Bill> make development and cross platform testing alot easier
6:43 pm:<MPx> make sure USB 1.0 2.o compatible
6:43 pm:<MPx> your stuff is USB 1.o
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> I have usb 2.0 card
6:44 pm:<MPx> Mac Mini= USB 2.0 I would check it out at a store
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> in my g4
6:44 pm:<MPx> ah ok
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> so I can fast sync my video iPod
6:44 pm:<MPx> u have one?
6:44 pm:<MPx> LOL
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> of course
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> I though all apple fans had ipods
6:45 pm:<fcat> lol
6:45 pm:<MPx> I saw it last week...thought the screen was too small but I was wrong...its beautiful
6:45 pm:<LS_Bill> along with 72 million other people
6:45 pm:<LS_Bill> video is excellent quality
6:45 pm:<MPx> watched the whole Beatles Yellow submarine movie on it at Starbucks
6:45 pm:<MPx> lol
6:45 pm:<LS_Bill> not on a big screen but on the ipod is crystal clear
6:45 pm:<fcat> thought the same thing when I 1st saw
6:46 pm:<MPx> y
6:46 pm:<LS_Bill> that's a lot of caffein
6:46 pm:<fcat> video quality was a surprise
6:46 pm:<MPx> y
6:47 pm:<LS_Bill> I get a few video podcasts via ITMS, really impressive
6:47 pm:<MPx> ok so for those of us that are too eager to wait for Chad's stuff..can we have an OS X version
to run for the next few days?
6:47 pm:<LS_Bill> I didn't even get this working til today, I want to test it some more
6:48 pm:<MPx> yes very impressive...we/you should concentrate on targeting Mac users with IRT
6:48 pm:<MPx> a bit more
6:48 pm:<LS_Bill> and it still does not work on pre 10.4
6:48 pm:<MPx> k
6:48 pm:<MPx> us buts that ok
6:48 pm:<MPx> Im 10.4
6:48 pm:<MPx> always latest build
6:48 pm:<LS_Bill> I think we have quite a few who are on 10.2, 10.3 in our customer base
6:49 pm:<fcat> irt impressive on any platform... but on mac nothing remotely similar/close
6:49 pm:<LS_Bill> so this is a concern, forcing an OS upgrade is not going to make those folks happy
6:49 pm:<MPx> man..it's so cheap to upgrade wonder why they don't
6:49 pm:<MPx> yes I agree Bill
6:49 pm:<LS_Bill> some times it's because the machine they are running on is old
6:50 pm:<fcat> don't want to learn new os is my guess
6:50 pm:<LS_Bill> I see user profiles with 500 mhz processors all the time
6:50 pm:<MPx> but in the meantime those of us who are not resisting change would like to run it for a few days
:-)
6:50 pm:<fcat> 500 mhz?
6:50 pm:<MPx> even 500mhz G4 runs Tiger better than 10.2
6:51 pm:<fcat> my watch runs at 500 mhz
6:51 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
6:51 pm:<MPx> lol
6:51 pm:<fcat> :)
6:51 pm:<MPx> my mouse
6:51 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll be out of town Friday, so I will have a beta ready by end of day Thursday okay?
6:51 pm:<fcat> cool
6:51 pm:<LS_Bill> have to run, dinner time
6:52 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice evening everyone
6:52 pm:<MPx> well if you're just waiting on Chad's stuff I would not mind running what you have now
6:52 pm:<fcat> catch bill
6:52 pm:<fcat> thanks
6:52 pm:<MPx> because that would leave me 3 days
6:52 pm:<MPx> Thursday is one day left to evaluate
6:52 pm:<Steve_W> gnihgt
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6:52 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, if there are any snags with Chad's new TPO enhancements, I'll get an OS X beta out
anyway
6:53 pm:<MPx> thnx
6:53 pm:<LS_Bill> but I don't think that will be a problem unless there is a delay on his end
6:53 pm:<MPx> ill run what you have right now
6:53 pm:<LS_Bill> nite all
6:53 pm:<MPx> nite
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6:56 pm:<fcat> will be interesting to see what speed improvements osx users
6:56 pm:<fcat> see
6:56 pm:<fcat> nite all
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