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4:30 pm:<LS_Chad> Bill, mptrading was just asking me if there's a way to delete an item from group.
4:30 pm:<LS_Bill> one sec. I'll look it up
4:31 pm:<LS_Bill> I just went to linnsoft.com/search and entered "delete from group" as the search phrase
4:31 pm:<mptrading> hi and tks
4:31 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.linnsoft.com/tour/groups.htm
4:31 pm:<LS_Bill> came back as one of the search hits, I think this will explain how to do it
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> I think that explains how to delete groups
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4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> but not how to delete objects from groups
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> basically, what you do is call up the group in the object edit
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> and delete items within the group
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> Any object or group can be deleted by selecting it in the list selection window and holding down the ctrl-key while clicking Apply or OK.
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> that is text from this page
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> sorry this is so obscure, I had intented to do more with groups but never got back to it
4:34 pm:<mptrading> k.tks
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> mac users hold down the option key (vs. the ctrl key for windows)
4:35 pm:<Christine2> does anyone have the symbol for crude oil in IB....current conract? Thanks.
4:35 pm:<mptrading> by holding control and selcting the chart name did nothing to it
4:36 pm:<Christine2> i've tried a bunch of them ...trying to synch with dtn....so far no luck
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4:37 pm:<mptrading> Bill, it worked the second time, Tks
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> ok
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/futures.php?ib_entity=llc
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> should find it in there Christine
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4:38 pm:<Christine2> i have the IB symbol
4:39 pm:<Christine2> it's QMM06....but it doesn't work
4:39 pm:<Christine2> i haven't asked live help in dtn yet...will do tomorrow...but i couldn't find it on their website
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> you want the DTN symbol?
4:39 pm:<Christine2> yes...i need it to work in irt
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> which exchange does it trade on?
4:40 pm:<Christine2> so far, i get nothing
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..you ask for IB symbol above
4:40 pm:<Christine2> nymex
4:40 pm:<Christine2> i have it working in tws
4:40 pm:<Christine2> it's light sweet crude
4:40 pm:<Christine2> june contract
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> are you looking for the DTN alias, or are you just trying to get it to quote in IRT?
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> realtime
4:40 pm:<Christine2> both...
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> so you're not getting realtime quotes in IRT?
4:41 pm:<Christine2> i'll take it working live in IB first....then work on the dtn symbol...lol
4:41 pm:<Christine2> right
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> first step is check the Setup: Instruments for it
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> @QMJ6
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you have for ticker and override exchange in IRT
4:41 pm:<Christine2> exchange is nymex
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> so@QMJ6 is the downloading alias, you have that setup?
4:42 pm:<Christine2> ticker in tws is qmm06
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the ticker in IRT?
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4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> I've never seen a ticker in TWS that has a 2 digit year
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> did you mean QMM6 ?
4:44 pm:<Christine2> in IB...i enter just QM...and it shows the symbol as QMM06
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> ok PLEASE answer my question
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the ticker in IRT ?
4:44 pm:<Christine2> well...this displays in tws as qmm06...for the june contract
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> Christine
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the ticker in IRT?
4:45 pm:<Christine2> i tried QM....QMM6....QMM06
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> which one are you using now?
4:46 pm:<Christine2> QMM06
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, that one is wrong, should be QMM6 I think
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> so delete the QMM06 and add QMM6 as a future
4:47 pm:<Christine2> ok
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> use Setup: Instruments to add the QMM6, override exchange is NYMEX
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> download alias is @QMM6
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> what I do to diagnose tickers with IB, is I open the message log and stop/start the feed so I can see the messages that flow as IRT connects to TWS
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> File: Open: Message Log
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> then start the feed and watch for error messages on QMM6 from TWS
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> let me know if you see an error (error 200? ) on QMM6
4:50 pm:<Christine2> ok...let me try
4:50 pm:<fcat> any mactel users here?
4:51 pm:<fcat> arno?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> me ;-)
4:51 pm:<fcat> or u on G5
4:51 pm:<fcat> lol
4:51 pm:<fcat> Bill how does TWS run on the mini
4:52 pm:<arno> G5
4:52 pm:<fcat> ty arno thought so
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4:53 pm:<IRT_USER> afternoon ladies and gents
4:53 pm:<IRT_USER> opps need to redo the chat room settinsg
4:53 pm:<IRT_USER> brb
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4:54 pm:<fcat> TWS will be running under rosetta for sometime I assume
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> I have not run the IB version on the mactel yet actually. I've been testing primarily with DTN.IQ and myTrack so far
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> is the java runtime environment still powerpc only?
4:54 pm:<fcat> ok how is DTN.IQ rworking out?
4:54 pm:<fcat> not sure on that Bill
4:54 pm:<Gayle> hey chad
4:54 pm:<fcat> I guess I just assumed that it was
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> mytrack and dtn.iq all work fine, I have seen no problems. just a faster, more enjoyable IRT
4:54 pm:<Gayle> did you get a chance to fix the PROF signal?
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4:54 pm:<Daniel> ahh better
4:55 pm:<Daniel> ahh
4:55 pm:<fcat> I have to give you and Chad some compliments Bill
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4:55 pm:<fcat> last week...trading AAPL, RIMM
4:56 pm:<fcat> 5 intraday charts on each open at same time
4:56 pm:<fcat> tos
4:56 pm:<fcat> L2
4:56 pm:<fcat> plus 6 book trader ladders in TWS
4:57 pm:<fcat> HUGE vol on aapl and RIMM both for two days
4:57 pm:<fcat> everyone in trading room whining about freezes,crashes, lags, etc.
4:57 pm:<Gayle> hey bill is chad in the room now?
4:57 pm:<DanielX> on what?
4:57 pm:<DanielX> IRT!?
4:57 pm:<fcat> esig, realticki. ts,cyber
4:58 pm:<fcat> didn't matter...all had problems
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> I haven't looked at that yet Gayle..but will before next release
4:58 pm:<fcat> IRT was rock solid
4:58 pm:<DanielX> ahh..yeah a few buddies told me that Mytrack and DTNIQ were delayed on YM off and on for days now
4:58 pm:<fcat> I mean SOLID
4:58 pm:<DanielX> yes same here
4:58 pm:<fcat> not a hiccup
4:58 pm:<DanielX> solid
4:59 pm:<fcat> crisp no lag whatsoever
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> fantastic
4:59 pm:<DanielX> I got me a 3.0ghz running now...good bye Mac for a while
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> spread the word ;-)
4:59 pm:<Gayle> chad did you look at my signal for the double bottom on the low of the day? crashes IRT everytime i add it as a signal marker
4:59 pm:<Christine2> Bill....irt downloaded some historical data for QMM6...but on the daily chart, it ends March 30
4:59 pm:<Christine2> so the dtn symbol is not correct
4:59 pm:<fcat> most of us in this room run similar layouts
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> you have @QMM6?
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> as the download alias?
5 pm:<DanielX> that wrong
5 pm:<DanielX> its QMK6
5 pm:<fcat> 5 intraday equity charts and 5 intraday emini charts
5 pm:<DanielX> for Oil?
5 pm:<Christine2> no....was posted above @qmj6..so it works with that....but i tried @QMM6 and it doesn't recognize it
5 pm:<Gayle> chad?
5 pm:<fcat> I run 20 intraday charts plus the 5 eminis
5 pm:<LS_Bill> @QMM6 EMINI CRUDE OIL JUN 2006 NYMEX
5 pm:<LS_Bill> I just pulled that off the symbol lookup page at dtn
5 pm:<fcat> so IRT VERY impressive
5:01 pm:<DanielX> yeah but were tarding K still I beleieve
5:01 pm:<DanielX> yeah very..tick for tick with IB's feed
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> I haven't looked at it Gayle...I forwarded to Bill...not sure if he looked at it or not..will get to it
5:02 pm:<Christine2> ok..bill..i have some data coming in now....i'll have to get the session time fixed....irt crude oil session time doesn't work with it....
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> ok sounds like you're almost in business
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> I have not looked at those default session setups in years, I guess we need to review those.
5:04 pm:<Gayle> ok thanks
5:04 pm:<Christine2> yes....i'll find the session times...thanks for help....
5:04 pm:<Gayle> chad have you made any videos?
5:04 pm:<DanielX> 3:15 pm to 2:30 Christine I believe is the full electronic session
5:04 pm:<fcat> y noticed today on russell emini...exchange defaulted to CBOT
5:05 pm:<fcat> rather than CME
5:05 pm:<Gayle> what?
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> no Gayle....was hoping to this last week...but been under the weather...will get on that soon also
5:05 pm:<Christine2> one last question about posting times...when i use a 24 hour contract....when do i put the posting time? e.g. Euro is 5:20 a.m. to 5:19 a.m.
5:05 pm:<Gayle> sorry to hear you are sick
5:05 pm:<DanielX> yeah and theres a problem trying to set up ZN on eCbot..its jumps to cbot for some reason and it's buggy...need to use cbot and then quit and chnage it on a relaunch
5:06 pm:<Christine2> hope u feel better Chad
5:06 pm:<Christine2> i knew something was missing....where's Mike????
5:06 pm:<Gayle> in the new beta version is there a way to turn off the TPO chart from always being on top of all other charts?
5:07 pm:<Gayle> also going forward is there a plan for the replay feature in all charts not just TPO charts?
5:07 pm:<fcat> Bill...almost forgot performed your little iqprefs trick...been running with it set to 1024 since last wed
5:07 pm:<DanielX> Christine...you know which session to use for Oil?
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> how does 1024 do?
5:07 pm:<Christine2> no Dan....what do you have?
5:07 pm:<DanielX> set it to 3:pm to 2:30 pm
5:07 pm:<fcat> buffer full count has averaged 685 since then
5:08 pm:<DanielX> 24 hour session
5:08 pm:<fcat> 885 high....407 low
5:08 pm:<Christine2> i had that before Dan...and the daily charts didn't work right
5:08 pm:<DanielX> ah
5:08 pm:<fcat> cut it in half roughly
5:08 pm:<Christine2> for daily charts....the day's session start must be correct...i guess..lol
5:08 pm:<DanielX> sheesh
5:09 pm:<fcat> will go to 2048 stating tomorrow for a week
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> I would like it to avg about 10 per hour, but a heavy trading period can cause it to happen even with a bigger count
5:09 pm:<fcat> will see how that goes
5:09 pm:<DanielX> I guess back in the day...Daily meant 9:30 to 4 pm...lol
5:09 pm:<DanielX> *meant
5:09 pm:<Christine2> yes...
5:09 pm:<DanielX> times have changed
5:09 pm:<Christine2> sure have
5:09 pm:<Christine2> and i fiddled with session start and end times to get it to match daily charts from others
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5:10 pm:<Christine2> so eur has to start at 5:20 pacific time
5:10 pm:<DanielX> 6 pm E$ Est
5:10 pm:<Christine2> but if i go to 5:19a.m. for end time...where do i post?...i just don't know enough about all this...lol
5:11 pm:<DanielX> post minutes after the session close
5:11 pm:<fcat> Bill...tick data folder is emptying on posting
5:12 pm:<fcat> disappearing 1m charts still here
5:12 pm:<DanielX> fcta..historical data rentention
5:12 pm:<Christine2> i'll play with that dan...my sesion closes one min before it opens again
5:12 pm:<DanielX> fcat*
5:12 pm:<DanielX> on Euro?
5:12 pm:<Christine2> y
5:13 pm:<DanielX> on globex it opens at 6pm and closes at 5 pm est
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> still happening randomly fcat? very hard to fix this unless I can provoke it to make it happen
5:14 pm:<DanielX> FCAT check your historical tick data retention settings for amount of days to keep and the ignore ticks that exceed one million ticks option
5:16 pm:<Christine2> Dan....my euro details from IB says globex hours 1700-2359
5:16 pm:<DanielX> they are wrong
5:16 pm:<Christine2> central time i believe
5:16 pm:<DanielX> LOL
5:16 pm:<Christine2> lol
5:16 pm:<Christine2> ok
5:16 pm:<Christine2> now confuse me more
5:16 pm:<Christine2> lmao
5:16 pm:<DanielX> check on CME
5:16 pm:<DanielX> 6 pm to 5 pm
5:16 pm:<DanielX> est
5:17 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:17 pm:<Christine2> if you read the small print at bottom of ib screen they say information is provided as is...not guaranteed....sheesh....LOL
5:18 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:18 pm:<Christine2> ok...i'll work on it....going to take a break...thanks for all your help...dan, bill..chad...
5:18 pm:<DanielX> wc
5:18 pm:<DanielX> Chad I have noticed double volume POCs showing up all day long...have you?
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> ok christine
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> volume POC shows up on two different prices?
5:22 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:22 pm:<DanielX> 2 prices
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> haven't noticed
5:22 pm:<DanielX> like it sticks
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> if you resize chart, to force redraw, does it go to just one price?
5:22 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...will check into it
5:22 pm:<DanielX> scroll or add remove a day it fixes
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> I think I have things coded to redraw when POC changes, but not POCvo
5:23 pm:<fcat> sorry had to take a phone call
5:24 pm:<fcat> yes Bill all 1m charts erase immediately after the open
5:24 pm:<DanielX> well u will have to scroll back for the solution
5:24 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
5:24 pm:<DanielX> sorry
5:24 pm:<DanielX> hehe
5:25 pm:<DanielX> has to be historical data retention settings
5:26 pm:<fcat> then if I add a new symbol into any 1m chart....that hasn't been displayed yet in the current session....it will show all charta data properly until the current 1m candle completes...then it will erase all prior data from chart
5:26 pm:<fcat> for both current session and all previous
5:26 pm:<fcat> lol Dan
5:26 pm:<fcat> re: scroll back
5:27 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:27 pm:<DanielX> go to set up:pref:historical
5:27 pm:<fcat> remember 30" acd here can still see start of chat without scrolling ;-)
5:28 pm:<DanielX> hey hey
5:28 pm:<fcat> tick data is set to 0 (current session only)
5:28 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:28 pm:<DanielX> that wy
5:28 pm:<fcat> 1m set to 31 days
5:29 pm:<DanielX> set tick to 30 days also...its your tick charts that erase no?
5:29 pm:<fcat> have tried setting tick to 1 or 2 days
5:29 pm:<fcat> makes no diff
5:29 pm:<DanielX> or like u said only 1 min?
5:29 pm:<fcat> don't use tick charts
5:29 pm:<DanielX> I set tick to 30 days because I use TPO charts
5:29 pm:<fcat> that's why it's set to 0
5:30 pm:<fcat> y only 1m
5:30 pm:<DanielX> u don't use TPO charts?
5:30 pm:<DanielX> only candle/bar charts?
5:30 pm:<fcat> don't know what a TPO chart is...they sound swell though
5:30 pm:<DanielX> ah ok
5:30 pm:<fcat> :-)
5:30 pm:<DanielX> then
5:31 pm:<fcat> y sticks only
5:31 pm:<DanielX> is the disallow dtat box checked?
5:31 pm:<DanielX> *data
5:31 pm:<fcat> y
5:31 pm:<DanielX> uncheck it
5:31 pm:<fcat> I see what you're getting at
5:32 pm:<DanielX> u may have an overide in your inst despite the global settings
5:32 pm:<DanielX> th elower box lets you over ride specific inst
5:33 pm:<fcat> shouldn't it delete the oldest data first though?
5:33 pm:<DanielX> if they are set differently you will have the data wiped when posting or when a new session opens
5:33 pm:<Ducati> Hello all
5:34 pm:<DanielX> yes it's suppose to delete from the back end
5:34 pm:<fcat> k Dan
5:34 pm:<fcat> unchecked
5:34 pm:<fcat> will see what happens tomorrow
5:35 pm:<DanielX> other than that if your session isn't set right you will have live data but when a new sesson opens the previos will wipe clean also
5:35 pm:<fcat> I did notice I was losing some non-intraday data also
5:35 pm:<Ducati> Is there a way to limit a trading system to enter one order at a time? I want it to exit the previous order before entering the next like the backtesting does.
5:35 pm:<DanielX> all your problems are belong to settings
5:35 pm:<DanielX> hehe
5:35 pm:<fcat> was gonna ask Bill about that....losing weekly and monthly data as well
5:36 pm:<DanielX> ahh
5:36 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:36 pm:<DanielX> DTNIQon a PC?
5:36 pm:<fcat> they may be the 1 million bar thing related as well
5:36 pm:<fcat> yes dan
5:37 pm:<fcat> have weekly retention set to 4 years
5:37 pm:<DanielX> ok I gaurentee it's your settings..because my buddy uses DTNIQ on PC and it works flawlessly
5:37 pm:<fcat> but keep losing my weekly 100 and 200 period mas
5:38 pm:<fcat> but 4 years weekly data retention should only be 208 bars
5:39 pm:<DanielX> not if it uses daily bars to build weekly bars
5:39 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
5:39 pm:<DanielX> some quirk in there
5:39 pm:<fcat> or 1m bars lol
5:40 pm:<DanielX> hehe
5:40 pm:<fcat> y never noticed the weekly/monthly thing before cuz I never used w/m data that much
5:42 pm:<DanielX> ok time to stop this sacreligious behavior and put this acd back on the G5 for tonight...it's a sin to use it on a beige box
5:42 pm:<fcat> any ideas why my tick.d01 file would be 200+ MB when tick data retention is set to 0?
5:42 pm:<fcat> nk
5:42 pm:<fcat> I feel bad everyday
5:42 pm:<DanielX> woah
5:42 pm:<DanielX> thats not right
5:43 pm:<fcat> tho I do keep it hidden under the desk with an aapl sticker on the front
5:43 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:43 pm:<fcat> thought about spraypainting it silver
5:43 pm:<fcat> :)
5:43 pm:<DanielX> yeah hidden also...but no you should not have 200 mb tick file
5:43 pm:<DanielX> LOL
5:43 pm:<fcat> thought that was odd
5:43 pm:<DanielX> there is a G5 lookalike case for sale..I've seen it
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5:44 pm:<fcat> could it be from e-minis?
5:44 pm:<DanielX> most likely yes
5:44 pm:<fcat> do thet automatically save tick data?
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> try compressing your intra-day database?
5:44 pm:<DanielX> no no
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> the file is named tick.d01 but that does not mean that it hold only "ticks"
5:44 pm:<DanielX> but I bet you have overide settings on a few inst
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> that file contains bar data if your tick retention is 0 days
5:45 pm:<DanielX> doh!
5:45 pm:<fcat> oh ok bill
5:45 pm:<fcat> didn't know that
5:45 pm:<DanielX> bar.d01 would be a good name don't you think?
5:46 pm:<fcat> hehe
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> the reason that the file was named tick.d01 was that version 1 of IRT in 1996 stored ONLY ticks
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> no bar data
5:46 pm:<DanielX> ah so that is why it's either min or tick data in the charts..they are never separate?
5:46 pm:<fcat> will compress intraday
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> as the product evolved and we began supporting internet sources of bar data, the tick.d01 files was redesigned to hold both bars and ticks
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> right, it's either or
5:48 pm:<fcat> 149 mb now
5:48 pm:<mptrading> Bill, how do I increase the number of days of tick data on my database ?
5:49 pm:<mptrading> to store more days ?
5:49 pm:<DanielX> how is the showing of entry/stop/target on a charts from NT5 developement coming along?
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> setup: prefs: historical
5:50 pm:<mptrading> k, done, tks
5:51 pm:<DanielX> would love an easy way to have positions show up on TPO charts will very little effort past enabling that feature in Setup Prefs Charts General.
5:51 pm:<DanielX> will=with
5:51 pm:<DanielX> TPO
5:52 pm:<DanielX> IRT < > NT5
5:52 pm:<fcat> Bill the "exceding 1 million bars setting"...does this include ALL data for each instrument ie 1 minute + 3minute + 8 minute, etc..
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
5:53 pm:<fcat> ok thanks
5:53 pm:<DanielX> or if it still takes setting up V# and trading order defaults..someone should write an easy to follow step by step concise "how to".
5:57 pm:<DanielX> ciao all..have a good night
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5:57 pm:<fcat> gotta run also...
5:58 pm:<fcat> thanks Bill, Chad
5:58 pm:<fcat> have a good night all
5:58 pm:<arno> Bill - is there any reason the database backs itself up at 8 PM, even though the schedule is set to inactive?
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> that may be your session posting time
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> see Setup: Prefs: Sessions
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> sorry, you're taking about backup
5:59 pm:<arno> that's set for 1PM ( PST)
6 pm:<LS_Bill> see Setup: Preferences: Backup
6 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a backup option there that is probably setup to 8 pm
6 pm:<LS_Bill> just uncheck the checkbox to stop that
6:01 pm:<arno> yes - there it is. Oops. I kept seeing the backup in the scheduler too
6:01 pm:<arno> which was inactive.
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> the "Backup Every Day at..." checkbox
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> those backup options have been there before schedules were invented ;-)
6:01 pm:<arno> aah - the fun of feature creep.
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> it's convenient to have that checkbox so you don't have to bother setting up a schedule I guess
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