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4:33 pm:<Daniel> great
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> this has been a long beta cycle
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.2.3 was released in February
4:35 pm:<Daniel> yes
4:35 pm:<tuna_> ya but a bunch of great new stuff
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, indeed
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4:36 pm:<Daniel> I had a request to ask you for a feature you mentioned that you would add
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> I have a few running the Intel Mac 8.3 now and generally it is running well
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> so the 8.3 will be "OS X Universal Binary"
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> Installer is just under 10meg now for OS X.
4:38 pm:<Daniel> yeah it will be about another month or so before I decide to go MacBookPro or just a mac mini
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4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> Hey guys
4:40 pm:<Daniel> I'm waiting to see a test run with NT5 on Paralells
4:41 pm:<Daniel> before I switch back...but after seeing the hourglass in XP appear for a few seconds on my setup ..I doubt the OSX version will be as fast :-(
4:43 pm:<Daniel> Bill you promised to add the ability to show "volume" on a trendline's label...I had a user ask me to mention it you
4:44 pm:<Daniel> he said you already spoke about it and he wanted to know if it's still on the table...
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, I recall
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> it's been on the back burner.
4:48 pm:<Daniel> ah
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4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> show cumulative volume of all bars involved within trendline?
4:48 pm:<Daniel> yes
4:48 pm:<Daniel> from point a to b
4:49 pm:<dogfoot> can't you do that with a volume profile chart by specifying bar length and start to end time = a-b?
4:50 pm:<Daniel> dunno...he's a candle chart trader
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> it's a nice idea
4:51 pm:<Daniel> wants total volume on the trendline shown on his chart since we alreay have the ability to show just about everything else
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> the rectangle tool (owl) has the ability to define a rectangular area of price action using the mouse
4:53 pm:<Daniel> he wants it simpler than that
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> it displays the count of the bars inside the rectangle.
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> and the price range within that time frame
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> this could easily be extended to show volume for that period as well
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe a five minute improvement, may not be so easy for trendlines
4:54 pm:<Daniel> needs to be trendline for a specific reason
4:54 pm:<Daniel> I would not bother to add it to Owl
4:55 pm:<Daniel> why hard?
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> with the owl checkbox OFF
4:55 pm:<Daniel> point at on a 5 min candle...say 1200 on ES to 1205 ES...if there are 3 candles in that range you total the volume on 3 bars
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> you just see a rectangle bar count, price range, and volume could be added
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> can move the rectangle left right with the arrow keys
4:56 pm:<Daniel> well..I will forward that to him but I already know what he will say
4:56 pm:<Daniel> lol
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> beggars can't be choosers daniel
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> if he want some custom development done, he can ask for whatever he wishes
4:57 pm:<Daniel> if it's not so easy to do on trendlines I would not worry yourself with adding it to OWl
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> the tools is the rectangle tool, the owl is a optional feature of the rectangle tool,
4:58 pm:<tuna_> i would like the ability to click on a tl and drag the whole thing
4:59 pm:<Daniel> yes and have the total volume count
4:59 pm:<Daniel> plain and simple
4:59 pm:<tuna_> if that was possible
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> scott...you can do this, sort of, by clicking on it...then using the left/right/up/down arrow keys on your keyboard
5 pm:<LS_Chad> hold down shift or ctrl while hitting arrow keys to just move the begin or end of trendline
5 pm:<LS_Chad> one of those great hidden features
5 pm:<tuna_> k
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> and you know you can drag the endpoints, right?
5:03 pm:<tuna_> ya
5:03 pm:<tuna_> didnt know about the arrow key thing
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> tuna, most indicators have this functionality
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> for example, if you have a Moving Aveage in the chart, you can click on it to select it, then use arrow keys to change the period
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> if you go to www.linnsoft.com/ti you'll see a list of technical indicators, each with a link to a web page
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> the web page will show the keyboard adjustments that may be made for the indicator
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> I gotta head out early guys...have a nice evening
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> sometime, a modifier key, shift or ctrl plus the arrow keys do special useful things with the indicator
5:06 pm:<tuna_> yes
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> if you have a mouse with a scroll wheel the scroll wheel movements are like up/down arrow keys in a few places
5:06 pm:<tuna_> but its gonna take me some time to get used to
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5:10 pm:<fcat> miss anything?
5:10 pm:<fcat> was playing some earnings
5:13 pm:<fcat> test
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5:14 pm:<krunch12b> test
5:14 pm:<fcat> not seeing any text except my own
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> hi cat
5:14 pm:<fcat> oh ok
5:14 pm:<fcat> ty krunch
5:14 pm:<fcat> Hi Bill thanks
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> planning to release 8.3 tomorrow
5:14 pm:<fcat> wow
5:14 pm:<fcat> cool
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5:15 pm:<fcat> running 2048 for consecutive data packets setting now BIll
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> any difference?
5:16 pm:<fcat> oh yes
5:16 pm:<fcat> averaging about 150
5:16 pm:<fcat> 229 today
5:16 pm:<fcat> heavy post market volume though
5:16 pm:<fcat> watching yhoo goog at same time
5:17 pm:<fcat> and L2 open all day
5:17 pm:<fcat> an interesting note
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5:18 pm:<fcat> closed L2 window for most of the day one day to see if there was adifference
5:18 pm:<fcat> buffer full count fot that day was only42
5:18 pm:<fcat> 42
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> makes sense
5:19 pm:<fcat> and it didn't increase at all after the L2 window was closed
5:19 pm:<fcat> so that must be a source of backup like you thought
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> seems so
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> even though the L2 feed is only for a few symbols, it is a lot of data
5:20 pm:<fcat> 1m erasing charts still present
5:20 pm:<fcat> yes
5:21 pm:<fcat> and my L2 window usually has the currently most active stock in it as well
5:21 pm:<fcat> so lots of volatility in that L2 window
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5:22 pm:<fcat> noticed some of my non-intraday data disappearing also BIll
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5:23 pm:<fcat> weekly and monthly data
5:24 pm:<fcat> initailized database last night
5:24 pm:<fcat> re downloaded intraday and daily, weekly, monthly etc.
5:24 pm:<fcat> some of weekly and monthly is missing
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a utility function for brnging your weekly monthly into sync with your daily bars
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> control menu: database utilities: sync D/W/M database
5:28 pm:<fcat> lol...get a message there is no weekly or monthly data marked for retention
5:28 pm:<fcat> I guess I have to mark it for monthly and weekly
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> we generally recommend that you don't retain weekly/monthly data
5:28 pm:<fcat> just like daily
5:28 pm:<fcat> aha
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> just let IRT make weekly bars from the daily bars
5:29 pm:<fcat> I like to use monthly data of 5years so just download 5 years of daily then?
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> the advantage of keeping monthly separately is that you could save space on the database that way
5:31 pm:<fcat> right
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> i.e. keep 2 years of daily , 5 years of weekly 10 years of monthly
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> without having to have 10 years of daily for everything
5:32 pm:<fcat> i use 4 hears weekly 5 years monthly and 1 yr daily
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> now that I added the new sync utility, it's not hard to keep your monthly / weekly up to date and in sync
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> check every symbol for d/w/m then
5:32 pm:<fcat> but the oldest weekly and monthly kept disappearing
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> but before you do
5:33 pm:<fcat> I summe cause I didn't have it marked for retention
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> download 4 years of daily on everything, then mark everything for d/m/w and run the sync utility
5:33 pm:<fcat> *assume
5:33 pm:<fcat> ok
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> that will populate your weekly monthly db with the 4 years of daily data
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> then the 4 years of daily will get trimmed back to 1 year later
5:35 pm:<fcat> ok
5:38 pm:<fcat> whats the easiest way to mark all symbols for weekly monthly?
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> goto setup prefs instruments
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> set d w m checkboxes
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> click "apply to quotepage"
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> and when IRT asks which page, choose ".all symbols"
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> this will also set your default for newly added instruments
5:40 pm:<fcat> done
5:40 pm:<fcat> thanks Bill
5:41 pm:<X> Hello mptrading. Weclome to Linn Software Chat room.
5:42 pm:<fcat> disabled it again til after download of daily
5:45 pm:<mptrading> INDICATOR=(SESST_HI + SESST_LO + SESST_CO)/3
5:46 pm:<mptrading> is this the correct way to have an indicator calculate days High +days los + Days Close / 3 ?
5:47 pm:<Mike> maybe HI+LO+CL might work also? I'd have to try
5:47 pm:<Mike> else Bill should know
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> the token MID gives you this
5:48 pm:<Mike> ahh yeah
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> MID is equivalent to writing (HI + LO + CL)/3
5:48 pm:<Mike> there a good token table also
5:48 pm:<mptrading> tks
5:48 pm:<mptrading> but that was not my question.. is SESST_CO equivalent to session CLOSE ?
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> mptrading, where do you need this value, for display in a quotepage ?
5:49 pm:<Mike> http://www.linnsoft.com/tour/rtlTokens.htm
5:49 pm:<mptrading> on a token code
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> how do you have SESST setup?
5:50 pm:<Mike> MID is per bar I see Bill, he wants for day I think
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> SESST can look at the intra-day data for a session and find the close of the last bar of the session
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5:59 pm:<Mike> Bill I have a chart Chad made it at first it uses MPD intraday and a CI or two it is a CPU killer though
5:59 pm:<Mike> all bars but current are fixed ie history
5:59 pm:<Mike> any ideas for improvement?
5:59 pm:<Mike> to bad it was a great chart also!
5:59 pm:<Mike> on PC locked up CPU opening during day even today
5:59 pm:<Mike> I sent you chart def i think
5:59 pm:<Mike> Question2: status of tick dl from IB?
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> mptrader, what you need to do to get the session hi, lo and close from within an intra-day custom indicator is this:
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> use the POS token in concert with the SESST token
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> POS tells you where you are in the session, so the first line of your custom indicator would be something like this:
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(V#1, POS)
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> where POS is setup to give you (into V#1) the bars from the start of the session.
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> be sure to end each statement with a semicolon
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(V#1, POS);
5:59 pm:<mptrading> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-04-18/!!MPT20060418_4.png
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> (SESST_HI + SESS_LO + SESST_CL)/3;
5:59 pm:<mptrading> not exactly what I'm doing Doc Linn
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> is the second line in your custom indicator
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> the SESST's must be setup to use V#1 as the FIRST V#1 BARS of the session
5:59 pm:<mptrading> on the window I just posted, How do I set the indicator to have (High of day + Low of the day + last close ) /3 ?
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> I just told you
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> you have to setup SESST_LO for example to give you the Lowest Price of the FIRST V#1 Bars of the session.
6 pm:<LS_Bill> instead of putting a constant number of bars, you put V#1 in the box where the number of bars goes
6:02 pm:<mptrading> ok , so the correct input is SESST_CL for close,
6:02 pm:<mptrading> many tks
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> SESST is token name
6:02 pm:<mptrading> y
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> SESST_CL is just a renamed SESST token
6:02 pm:<mptrading> got it
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> so this will give you a line in your chart that shows the bar to bar recalculated pivoit point
6:02 pm:<mptrading> an on going pivot
6:02 pm:<mptrading> from start of day till end
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(V#1, POS); (SESST_HI + SESS_LO + SESST_CL)/3;
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> is the complete formula, you have to setup each of the three SESST token appropriately
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> to use V#1 as the number of bars
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> it's after 6 here, any final questions before I head out?
6:06 pm:<Daniel> yes...
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> shoot
6:06 pm:<mptrading> tks bill
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> sure
6:07 pm:<Mike> think on my questions above please bill
6:07 pm:<Daniel> how are you doing with making NT5 communication a simple setup not needing us to go into V# and setup up default trading oorders
6:08 pm:<Daniel> basically just wantng to see my postions on TPO charts
6:08 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm not doing anything with NinjaTrader right at present. Need to get back to that once 8.3 is out
6:09 pm:<Daniel> entry avg...stop 1/2/3 and target 1/2/3 or even just entry stop target for now
6:09 pm:<Daniel> k
6:09 pm:<Daniel> can we have the same tokens that you have reserved for traditional charts righ tnow?
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> this OS X development has taken a long time and has consumed more time than you can imagine
6:09 pm:<Daniel> entry /stop/target
6:09 pm:<Daniel> yes
6:10 pm:<Mike> good glad we can get back and finish a few open items
6:10 pm:<Mike> Question2: status of tick dl from IB?
6:10 pm:<Mike> etc...
6:10 pm:<Mike> thanks Bill good night
6:10 pm:<Mike> I have AT open order problem also
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> the last word I had from Ray at NT was that it would take some work on their end to provide feedback on these things
6:10 pm:<Daniel> ok
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> but I have not checked back with him in a month or so
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> lets get 8.3 out the door and then we'll see
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> nite for now
6:11 pm:<Daniel> g nite
6:11 pm:<Daniel> thnx
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> g nite