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4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> hello everyone
4:34 pm:<Mike> hi
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> daniels not here, guess this will be a quiet hour ;-)
4:35 pm:<arno> lol
4:35 pm:<Mike> he he
4:35 pm:<Mike> arno how your trading system doing?
4:35 pm:<arno> working on it...
4:35 pm:<arno> didn't use it today, but am putting something together
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> he's been doing alot with NinjaTrader and he helped me find several problems. The NT trading order integration is working really well now
4:36 pm:<arno> Chad - last week you mentioned setting sys clock for EST?
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> right
4:36 pm:<arno> I actually have a way around that problem.
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4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> you don't have to..just need to set I/RTs time zone to match that of your computer
4:36 pm:<arno> I use a Mac, so I wrote a shell script that exports TZ as EST and then calls irt
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...nice
4:37 pm:<arno> using the shell, I can have the system clock be PST and IRT be EST..
4:37 pm:<arno> no problem at all
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> how does that work?
4:37 pm:<arno> ( had to reload historical, but that's all)
4:37 pm:<fcat> afternoon all
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> hi fcat
4:38 pm:<arno> since irt runs in its own shell
4:38 pm:<fcat> hi Bill
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4:38 pm:<arno> you can specify different variables for that shell
4:38 pm:<arno> timezone is one of them
4:38 pm:<arno> it's basically 2 lines... I'll email it to you
4:39 pm:<Mike> Hello mptrading. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:39 pm:<Mike> what's been new in IRT land?
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> I see, I know just a little unix, just enough to be dangerous
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4:39 pm:<Mike> I've seen no new neat picts from Chad :)
4:39 pm:<Mike> Hello HaydenK. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:39 pm:<HaydenK> Thanks Mike
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> well, the NinjaTrader trading orders are now working a whole lot better (for 8.3.8 when released)
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> any NT users here today?
4:40 pm:<arno> It works really well Bill, so I'll send you what I did and you can check it out
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> NinjaTrader -- NT
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> thanks arno
4:40 pm:<Mike> I need new AT version :( guess I need to try email Jerry again and if he responds
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4:41 pm:<Mike> Hello DanielX. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> for auto trading orders there is this feature for specifying a limit or stop price as "Mouse Click"
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> when you execute the trading order, the system prompts you to click in the chart to pick your stop or limit price
4:42 pm:<Mike> Chad did you redo that movie with quicktime codec?
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> so, while I was working on the NT stuff w/ Daniel, I thought it would be nice if you could set a V# variable the same way via a chart button
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> click the button, and the chart prompts you to click to set the value of V#
4:43 pm:<Mike> neat
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> when you click, IRT pops up an array of prices above and below where you clicked, so you can pick the exact value you want
4:43 pm:<Mike> we get that popup of what 5 or 7 prices near click?
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> the values displayed depend on the instrument in the chart, the tick increment
4:43 pm:<DanielX> very neat
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> yes 7 prices
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> no in 8.3.8 there is a new button type for setting V#'s
4:44 pm:<fcat> now....if you could make the stop execute only if really necessary
4:44 pm:<Mike> great was going ask that if can be set with fkey :)
4:44 pm:<fcat> we'd be set
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> You can even have a button menu with several V#'s so you click choose the one you want to set from the button menu
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> if you give the V#'s a meaning title like "STOP" or "TARGET" or whatever
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> this can be a very handy way to setup your trading order values before initiating the trade via autotrader or ninjatrader
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> a meaningful title
4:46 pm:<Mike> any my track users here?
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> no Mike, haven't redone any movies...
4:46 pm:<Mike> ok they not compatible on osx then as you probably know
4:47 pm:<Mike> AQ`M for mytrack Euro future no longer works?
4:47 pm:<fcat> I get sound but no image on osx here on the video of Chad's
4:48 pm:<fcat> same for you Mike?
4:48 pm:<Mike> yes
4:48 pm:<fcat> k
4:48 pm:<arno> same here
4:49 pm:<fcat> nice voice tho Chad
4:49 pm:<Mike> Bill AQ`M6 is not a future symbol problem?
4:49 pm:<fcat> I think you have a future as a DJ
4:49 pm:<DanielX> Bill you think if we set up a button as a mixed group and send the Trading order of "Buy Limit" which wants a V# value and at at the same time the button sends the Set V# V feature ...so when you click in the chart the set V# V value gets pasted to the Trading order in one clean pass?
4:50 pm:<DanielX> passed*
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> right, that's the idea, each order the group needs some V# to be set, so have a chart button to set that V# before executing the group of orders
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> instead of being prompted once for each order
4:53 pm:<DanielX> right but will it work in one pass meaning...once the trading order is sent in that group it s already in waiting mode so any variable you set"after" it take sthat instead of the previous V# value what was there beofre?
4:53 pm:<DanielX> not sure you follow me
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4:54 pm:<fcat> you on iqfeed arno?
4:54 pm:<fcat> I think?
4:54 pm:<arno> UYES
4:54 pm:<arno> yes
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4:54 pm:<DanielX> if I group a TO with the Set V V# feature in one button will that work?
4:55 pm:<fcat> any problems last week or so of incomplete data coming through?
4:55 pm:<fcat> on equities?
4:55 pm:<fcat> last price not coming trough?
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4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> no, you have to complete the setting of the V# before you submit the group of orders
4:55 pm:<DanielX> ah!
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> click one button to set the V#, then click another button to submit the order group
4:56 pm:<Kevin> when testing a system, how is APGT calculated if the reverse order is never implemented
4:56 pm:<fcat> happened to me yesterday for second time
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> I'll see about building the videos in a different format.....
4:56 pm:<fcat> 20 minutes or so
4:56 pm:<fcat> no last price data on SOME naz equities
4:56 pm:<DanielX> ok ..any way to trick the TO V# to take the next SET VV# function instead of prior?
4:56 pm:<DanielX> Ikow thiese has to be
4:57 pm:<fcat> bid ask coming through...but no last
4:57 pm:<DanielX> I know there has to be
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4:57 pm:<arno> I haven't had any problems, fcat
4:57 pm:<fcat> ok arno
4:57 pm:<fcat> thanks
4:58 pm:<DanielX> oh wait!!!
4:58 pm:<fcat> the missing bars won't backfill either
4:58 pm:<DanielX> BIll can it be made that the TO can specify a SET VV# instead of just a V#?
4:58 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
4:58 pm:<DanielX> one step skipped
4:58 pm:<Mike> yeah Chad MSS2 video codec is problem fyi
4:58 pm:<fcat> can still see the 20 minute downtime on my 13m chart
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5 pm:<Kevin> when testing a system, how is APGT calculated if the reverse order is never implemented?
5 pm:<DanielX> so instead of a plain V# in the TO setup you have the option of using V V# as a price for prompt.
5 pm:<arno> fcat - what symbol?
5 pm:<DanielX> that should remove the need for 2 steps
5:01 pm:<DanielX> Bill?
5:01 pm:<fcat> most naz stocks arno
5:01 pm:<fcat> AAPL is one
5:01 pm:<fcat> BRCM as well
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> Kevin..not really following your question....would need more details on your system
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> can export your trading system...and send to me...at chad@linnsoft.com
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> and give me details on what you're seeing..and I'll take a look
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm not following you Daniel
5:03 pm:<Kevin> chad if i had a moving avg crossover system and it bought a ticker but never sold it over the test period how would it calculate the return
5:03 pm:<DanielX> in TO setup can you allow the SET V# V feature as a choice?
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> any system gets out of the position at the end of test
5:04 pm:<fcat> arno look at AAPL data from yesterday
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> all positions are liquidated on last bar tested
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> so it would just use that
5:04 pm:<fcat> during deadzone
5:05 pm:<fcat> around 12:50 EST
5:05 pm:<Kevin> thanks
5:05 pm:<fcat> should be missing some last price data
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you mean Daniel
5:05 pm:<DanielX> Bill in th TO setup page we have the choice of Price 1-7 and V#1-84 and T#1 to etc
5:06 pm:<arno> 20 min bar?
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> the trading order already has a choice for using the mouse click method
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> to set a stop or limit price
5:06 pm:<DanielX> right but...
5:06 pm:<arno> oh I see it
5:06 pm:<fcat> 12:40 to 1:00 to be exact
5:06 pm:<arno> yes!
5:06 pm:<fcat> most naz stocks have that gap in there
5:07 pm:<DanielX> if I want to use a set V# V feature could you put that inthe list
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> which list?
5:07 pm:<fcat> bid/ask was coming through but no last
5:07 pm:<fcat> but some were ok
5:07 pm:<DanielX> the box where I have a choice for Mouse click or Price 1-7 or a V#
5:07 pm:<fcat> SNDK for example was fine
5:07 pm:<arno> EBAY same
5:07 pm:<fcat> weird
5:07 pm:<fcat> yes
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> so Daniel, what you want is the first TO in the group to ask for say the limit price and ALSO set a user variable
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> so the other TO's in the group can use that same V# value
5:08 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:08 pm:<fcat> happened last week also
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, I finally understand.
5:09 pm:<DanielX> so it could be done in on click
5:09 pm:<DanielX> well im not sure now
5:09 pm:<DanielX> wait a second
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> this doesn't really fit into the trading order setup all that well, let me think about it some more
5:10 pm:<DanielX> in that TO pop down we have a choice of several things.."bid" "ask" Price 1 to 7 and V#1-84
5:11 pm:<Mike> TO could auto set a stop target maybe
5:11 pm:<Mike> take last price or fill and set stop x points, target y points?
5:11 pm:<DanielX> what would happen if you put the choice of the SET VV# in there
5:12 pm:<Mike> hey Cafe
5:12 pm:<Mike> how you doing?
5:12 pm:<DanielX> it would execute the TO and wait for a SET VV# at the same time
5:13 pm:<DanielX> execute in the sense it's waiting for a the VV# to be set before submitting" then the mouse click prompt is used t o set the VV# and presto
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe there could be a preference someplace else that says, whenever a Trading order sets a limit price, stuff the limit price into V#x
5:13 pm:<DanielX> y
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> same with setting Stop price,
5:14 pm:<DanielX> y
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> so you reserve two V# variables for limit and stop
5:15 pm:<DanielX> hmm wait
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> thus when a group of orders is submitted, the first one can set either stop or target or both and the V#'s you specify are set, for use by other trading orders
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> other orders in the group.
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> seems like alot of fuss to avoid a mouse click daniel
5:16 pm:<DanielX> well thats ahead of what I was getting
5:16 pm:<DanielX> at*
5:17 pm:<DanielX> what I mean t is in the TO setup if you were to allow the set VV# as a choice it would promtpt me for a set V# mouse click right?
5:17 pm:<DanielX> or would that crash IRT?
5:17 pm:<fcat> ahhh...the lengths a trader will go to to eliminate a mouse click Bill are limitless
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm beginning to see that ;-)
5:18 pm:<fcat> :)
5:18 pm:<DanielX> 2 clicks is one click too much
5:18 pm:<fcat> lol Dan
5:18 pm:<fcat> and yup
5:18 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> so Daniel, what you're after is a dummy trading order that does nothing more than set a V# value by prompting for mouse click
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> so you can put that trading order first in a group of trading orders that rely on a V#
5:19 pm:<DanielX> yes and that would pass it to the V# waiting inthe TO
5:19 pm:<DanielX> binog!
5:19 pm:<DanielX> bingo
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> binog it is
5:19 pm:<DanielX> hehe
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> so we need a "order action" that says "Set User Variable"
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> itdoesn't actuallysubmit an order
5:20 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:20 pm:<DanielX> right
5:20 pm:<DanielX> waits for"Mouse Click"
5:20 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> it only prompts for a price and sets some V# and it's done
5:20 pm:<DanielX> one mouse gone
5:20 pm:<DanielX> yep
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> the other orders queue up behind it have to wait for it to finish before they are submitted, so yes this would work, good idea.
5:21 pm:<DanielX> yep
5:21 pm:<DanielX> eaxctly
5:21 pm:<DanielX> in so many words but yes
5:21 pm:<Mike> i wonder what all for bu tgood
5:21 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:22 pm:<Mike> can do all this in tsys
5:22 pm:<Mike> if no tsys need this i guess
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> this issue came up Mike, because daniel is submitting three orders at a time each one needing the same stop or limit price
5:22 pm:<DanielX> yes but can you do it like a man manual labor ? ;-)
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT was prompting him three times for the limit price
5:23 pm:<Mike> ok
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> so we're trying to streamline the process at bit so he only gets prompted once
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> then all the orders in the group get submitted with the same limit price
5:24 pm:<DanielX> and would help those that trade multiple instruments at the same time
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> the Set V# button feature was something I did to make this possible
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> you can just as easily do it in the current release however, by dragging a ref line to your limit price and then clicking the execute order group button
5:25 pm:<DanielX> yes doing that now
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> where the drag of the ref line sets the V# value associated with the line, and the tradingorders refer to that same V#
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> but the mouse click method is nice because itgives you a discrete array of tickprices above and below where you click, so there is no guesswork about where you drop a ref line
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> you click on the precise price you want
5:26 pm:<DanielX> right...nice and clean
5:27 pm:<DanielX> Dan has some scan running where it updates the ref line position to the second
5:27 pm:<DanielX> very elaborate setup he has and with this he will start looking into moving out of puf and into DLL
5:28 pm:<DanielX> once RAY does the feed back it will done...or even now one can just import only whats needed from the puf file
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> sure
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> more V# variable magic
5:28 pm:<DanielX> and have the DLL way that an idito like me was able to set up
5:29 pm:<DanielX> binog idito
5:30 pm:<DanielX> thst my new nick
5:30 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
5:30 pm:<DanielX> Ok then...I had another question
5:31 pm:<DanielX> what would stop a signal marker form not displaying on a chart when it displayed perfectly before
5:31 pm:<DanielX> opps double negative
5:32 pm:<fcat> the condition for the signal not being true
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> right
5:32 pm:<fcat> ;-)
5:32 pm:<DanielX> all of a sudden a signal market stopped working even though the condition is true which is verifiable by my annotation
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> fcat gets an A
5:32 pm:<DanielX> i know other than that
5:32 pm:<fcat> lol
5:32 pm:<DanielX> condition true
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> lack of enough data maybe
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5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I can spell but my spacebar is sticky, lots of wordsruntogether
5:33 pm:<DanielX> I see it and my annotation says it's true because Im setting the T# first then the signal second
5:33 pm:<Mike> lol mine adds extra spaces
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> send me the signal def and I'll take a look
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> a look
5:34 pm:<DanielX> k
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> I using a Mac keyboard via a USB KVM switch so I can go back and forth between windows and mac development environments
5:35 pm:<DanielX> ah
5:35 pm:<fcat> I used to have those keyboard problems....then I shook out all the cookie/donut crumbs
5:35 pm:<fcat> all better now
5:35 pm:<DanielX> sig def sent twice firts time I hit send b4 attaching it
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> works pretty well, hit one key and I'm looking at microsoft developer studio on windows, hit it again and I'm in Xcode on the Mac
5:36 pm:<fcat> cookies/donut a trading staple here btw
5:36 pm:<DanielX> ah noce
5:36 pm:<DanielX> that brit english for nice for those that thinks it's a typo
5:37 pm:<fcat> buenas noch to you too
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> noches
5:37 pm:<fcat> yes nachos good too
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> what a difference a few vowels make
5:38 pm:<fcat> lol
5:38 pm:<DanielX> another question...do I really need TSYS license to deploy a trading system?
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> it the difference between night and ..... chips
5:39 pm:<fcat> lol Bill
5:39 pm:<DanielX> Mike says no except for adding and scaling out functions...so all in all out will work without a TSYS deployment?
5:40 pm:<Mike> need for REversing
5:40 pm:<DanielX> ah that also
5:40 pm:<Mike> and other criteria etc...
5:40 pm:<Mike> for autotrading need it for sure
5:40 pm:<DanielX> never thought I would need it and refused it when it was offered a san upgrade
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> we now offer only two steps above IRT Professional
5:41 pm:<DanielX> dang..the only feature I didn't have forsight for
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> the first is Pro Backtester, need that to create a trading system
5:41 pm:<DanielX> yeah I have that
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> the Pro Complete has optimization, realization, and deployment features (TSYS indicator)
5:42 pm:<Hayden> I'd say go ahead and pay the fee for TSYS. It's not that expensive and you can accomplish an integrated trading plan. FWIW
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> you need the whole enchilada to run a trading system in a chart
5:42 pm:<DanielX> well looks like I may have to add that for automation
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> we're really into the espanol today
5:42 pm:<DanielX> ok
5:42 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:42 pm:<DanielX> joucandotimeng
5:43 pm:<DanielX> Hayden how elaborate a system are you running on automation?
5:44 pm:<fcat> so Bill...any good word on my magic 1m charts disappearing act?
5:44 pm:<Hayden> I don't think it's that complicated, but the beauty is that you can set a series of conditions prior to a buy rule and TSYS handles it all as one
5:45 pm:<arno> oh - so you can have 3 confirms , then a buy and it signals all 4 as one?
5:45 pm:<DanielX> the answer to y question is confidential Hayden?
5:45 pm:<DanielX> my*
5:45 pm:<Hayden> Bill's the expert, but yes, of course
5:46 pm:<Hayden> No, that's not confidential by any means
5:46 pm:<DanielX> oh ok..just wanted to know how elaborate your automation was
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> no good word yet fcat. I thought I had something the other day, but it was a red herring
5:47 pm:<Hayden> And, as Bill mentions, it allows elaborate backtesting, optimisation, etc.
5:48 pm:<Hayden> Daniel, a former mathematician told me about KISS (Keep is super simple, or Keep it simple, Stupid). Never got the exact definition, but I like going for simplicity when possible
5:48 pm:<Mike> chad i tried to recode your movie no luck so far
5:48 pm:<fcat> Are the charts at least acting up for you Bill?
5:48 pm:<DanielX> ah o thanks
5:48 pm:<DanielX> ok*
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5:48 pm:<Hayden> Welcome
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I tried building for quicktime...the resulting file was huge
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> several hundred mb
5:49 pm:<Mike> ok some other codec then that is on both
5:49 pm:<DanielX> hmmm
5:49 pm:<Mike> best ask company maybe
5:49 pm:<Mike> mpeg
5:49 pm:<Mike> avi maybe
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> camtasia can do flash, wmv, mov, or avi
5:49 pm:<DanielX> avi
5:50 pm:<Hayden> Bill, is there any way that an accurate simulated trading approach could be set up for IB? I tried their simulated the other day, after not looking at it for a year and it's pretty awful.
5:50 pm:<Mike> yeah avi
5:50 pm:<DanielX> wait
5:50 pm:<DanielX> flash smaller
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> not sure how the size of avi will be...will check it out
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> mac handle flash ok?
5:50 pm:<DanielX> yep
5:50 pm:<Hayden> It just seems good to verify that orders are passing through, but no goo measure for trading.
5:51 pm:<Hayden> no good measure......
5:51 pm:<DanielX> Chad do a quick flash test just to make sure Camtasia's flash output is standard
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> Hayden are you talking about using a Paper Trading Account with IB ?
5:51 pm:<Hayden> Yes
5:51 pm:<DanielX> we'll try it on OS X
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> seems to me that it would be a good simulation, since IB gives you realtime prices to work with and their software accepts the trades
5:53 pm:<Hayden> I wanted to see how an automated system would work in paper trade mode and signed in with edemo, and I wasn't even getting bid and ask prices
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> and fills them if stops/targets are reached. Why was it so awful?
5:53 pm:<Hayden> Not when you sign in with edemo
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> no, don't use edemo
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> that really is awfl
5:53 pm:<DanielX> oh no..use paper trading on reall acct
5:53 pm:<Hayden> So glad we agree on that
5:53 pm:<fcat> yes
5:53 pm:<Mike> i use AT in sim mode
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> signup for a paper trading account with IB
5:53 pm:<Mike> totally real
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Aha.
5:54 pm:<DanielX> Mike IB has a pape trading feature for real acct now
5:54 pm:<fcat> need to sign up for a paper account Hayden
5:54 pm:<DanielX> paper*
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Didn't know about that option
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> or use Autotrader simulation mode
5:54 pm:<fcat> edemo kind of worthless
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> IB will give you a TU number e.g. TU1234
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Very worthless, except to make sure orders are received
5:54 pm:<fcat> paper account is fairly new to IB
5:54 pm:<DanielX> yes Mike but seeing it at IB is a little more believable than seeing it in AT ;-)
5:54 pm:<fcat> few months maybe?
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Aha again
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> use that TU account number in your trading orders
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> and start TWS with that TU login and password
5:55 pm:<Hayden> Maybe I have to try paper trade via AT, but I thought I got a message saying orders couldn't be received with that setup
5:56 pm:<fcat> Are the charts at least acting up for you Bill?
5:56 pm:<fcat> my 1m charts that is
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6 pm:<Julian> hello
6:01 pm:<arno> hi Julian
6:01 pm:<DanielX> allo
6:01 pm:<DanielX> ca vas?
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6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> hi Julian, it's late for you
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> steve checking in on vacation ?
6:03 pm:<Steve_Bali> not gone yet
6:03 pm:<Steve_Bali> hi all
6:03 pm:<Steve_Bali> Bill my db email keeps bouncing
6:03 pm:<Steve_Bali> your mailbox quota
6:03 pm:<fcat> Bill..1m charts act up for you?
6:04 pm:<fcat> do the disappearing trick?
6:04 pm:<DanielX> knee deep in code
6:04 pm:<Steve_Bali> how can i email my db to you
6:04 pm:<DanielX> Steve theres a link on exact instructions..
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> goto linnsoft.com/search and enter "email database"
6:05 pm:<Steve_Bali> I've done aqll thaT
6:05 pm:*** Duke has joined us
6:05 pm:<fcat> I think Bill dreams in code
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> that will get you to the tutorial on sending in the db
6:05 pm:<Duke> Evening All
6:05 pm:<DanielX> Duke!
6:05 pm:<Steve_Bali> your email provider is bouncing my emails
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.linnsoft.com/tutorials/sendingDatabase.htm
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> oh, how big is the file?
6:06 pm:<Duke> Hey Daniel!
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> did you eliminate the hist.d01 and tick.d01 files? they can be huge
6:07 pm:<DanielX> Duke one quick question...do you run automation and if so how elaborate a setup are you running?
6:08 pm:<Duke> I don't use it for trading anymore...
6:08 pm:<DanielX> oh
6:08 pm:<Duke> I used to use it some for IB but now I have a trading desk so I let them worry about it! :-)
6:08 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:08 pm:<Steve_Bali> 9.6 megabytes
6:08 pm:<DanielX> k thnx
6:09 pm:<Duke> when I am buying something now it might take 2 -3 days to fill...lol
6:09 pm:<DanielX> how elaborate was it may I ask?
6:09 pm:<DanielX> LOL
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> why so big Steve?
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> same on the sell side Duke ?
6:09 pm:<Steve_Bali> Bill over 9 megs but the email says 12 megs altogether
6:10 pm:<Duke> Bill has added quite a bit of feedback from IB that wasn't there when I used it. it has come quite aways
6:10 pm:<Steve_Bali> lots of qps tickers etc
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> what compression are you using
6:10 pm:<Duke> well depends on if it is on fire! lol
6:10 pm:<Steve_Bali> winzip
6:10 pm:*** Julian has left
6:10 pm:<Steve_Bali> it was over 64 megs before compression or more
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> so it's steady as she goes when buying and run for the hills when something flames out
6:11 pm:<Duke> sheesh that is small Bill how about 300Megs! :-)
6:11 pm:<Duke> exatcly!
6:11 pm:<Duke> :)
6:11 pm:<Duke> Bill, you get my email suggestion for color printing/HTML etc?
6:12 pm:<Duke> i.e. quote pages and custom columns
6:12 pm:<Duke> etc
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> I did.
6:12 pm:<Duke> is that possible down the road?
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> The printing model we use is very primitive, provided by XVT.
6:13 pm:<Duke> seems a shame to have these great features and we lose it when we go to print etc
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> the quotepage printing is strictly black and white I'm afraid
6:13 pm:<Duke> how about an HTML export?
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> we would have to completely write something special to do anything more colorful
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> that's possible I guess, there is probably a toolkit someplace to make this easier that redeveloping this ourselves
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> this would be nice for some of the back testing reports also
6:15 pm:<DanielX> yes
6:15 pm:<Duke> why yes it would...!! lol
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> html is not part of our development toolkit, we would have to buy/acquire something to add a toolkit of some kind to do this sort of thing
6:16 pm:<DanielX> Bill are you doing development in Xcode on some things that then make it's way to the XP environment since the intel chip is on board now?
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> but html outuput would be platform independent, we could just pass the output to your browser
6:17 pm:<Duke> I like your thinking! :-)
6:18 pm:<Steve_Bali> any my db bill?
6:18 pm:<Steve_Bali> ideas
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> thanks for the idea. just don't hold your breath ;-)
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> steve all you can do is break the winzip into smaller files and send via smaller emails
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> 3 emails of 3 meg each will get though
6:19 pm:<Steve_Bali> ok I'll try that
6:19 pm:<Steve_Bali> never done it before
6:19 pm:<Duke> Well I have to plant the seed first before I can see it grow! :-)
6:19 pm:<Steve_Bali> later tonite Bill
6:19 pm:<Steve_Bali> Gotta go
6:20 pm:<Steve_Bali> thankds
6:20 pm:*** Steve_Bali has left
6:24 pm:<DanielX> Bill did you have a chance to read the email...if I scale out any of my contracts on NT5 and then try to adjust my Stop1 in IRT ...I get a limit price cannot be smaller than stop price.
6:24 pm:<arno> Bill - can you clarify what Hayden mentioned earlier...
6:24 pm:<arno> I had a discussion with Mike about this too..
6:25 pm:<arno> if you have 3 confirm rules and then a buy rule..
6:25 pm:<arno> and all are true, the signal marker for the buy rule should show up, correct?
6:26 pm:<arno> The issue is, what prevents the buy rule signal from showing up on it's own without the confirms?
6:27 pm:<arno> Mike's idea was to combine the confirms and buys - which will work.
6:27 pm:<arno> Does TSYS allow a signal marker based upon the confirms AND the buy?
6:28 pm:<arno> Did I make sense?
6:28 pm:<DanielX> he'll answer..give him a sec
6:28 pm:<DanielX> looking at code probably
6:28 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm thinking
6:28 pm:<arno> np
6:29 pm:<DanielX> then do the when thinking so he wont keep typing
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> you're taking about a signal mark for a specific signal
6:29 pm:<DanielX> ......
6:29 pm:<DanielX> ......
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> talking
6:29 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:29 pm:<arno> yes
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> those are independent of the TSYS
6:30 pm:<DanielX> oh so they will show up on the chart even though the confirm says no trade?
6:30 pm:<arno> right -
6:30 pm:<arno> that's what I was trying to get at
6:30 pm:<arno> Mike suggested confirm and buy as one signal.
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> right, the signal marker is only looking at that one signal
6:30 pm:<arno> that will work fine.
6:31 pm:<DanielX> but isnt there a TSYS indicator for charts now?
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> not the entire context of the trading system
6:31 pm:<DanielX> where it will match the TSYS?
6:31 pm:<DanielX> hmm
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> the TSYS indicator will show you when the trading system goes long or short based on all the rules in the TS
6:31 pm:<DanielX> thast what he wanst
6:31 pm:<arno> ok so TSYS upgrade will solve that?
6:32 pm:<Hayden> Arno, I'm here, or back. TSYS let's you create a trading package, multiple rules working together. Without TSYS you can't do that
6:33 pm:<arno> ok -cool
6:33 pm:<arno> that's all I needed to know..
6:33 pm:<Hayden> Very. I don't think you'll regret the TSYS package
6:33 pm:<arno> I can combine Mike's idea for the simpler rules and elaborate with TSYS
6:34 pm:<Hayden> And no, IRT isn't giving me a % :-)
6:34 pm:<LS_Bill> I be checking the orders page ;-)
6:34 pm:<DanielX> just unparralleled support ;-)
6:34 pm:<Hayden> lol
6:35 pm:<arno> I'll call in tomorrow..
6:35 pm:<arno> honest. lol
6:36 pm:<Hayden> When I first saw lol about 6 years ago I thought it meant little old ladies, and couldn't figure out what they had to do with anything
6:36 pm:<Hayden> So much for living in Europe
6:36 pm:<arno> oh, it doesn't mean that?
6:36 pm:<arno> I've been using as that all these years.
6:36 pm:<Hayden> Out of touch with the real (American language) world
6:37 pm:<Hayden> Funny Arno, I like it
6:38 pm:<Hayden> I'm leaving you all. Have a good one.
6:39 pm:<DanielX> u 2 H
6:39 pm:<arno> thanks for the info.
6:39 pm:*** Hayden has left
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6:40 pm:<LS_Bill> time for me to sign off too, have a nice evening everyone
6:41 pm:<arno> thanks Bill