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4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad's plans will become clearer soon
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad may be here later
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> any questions anyone?
4:36 pm:<krunch> it was all tuna's fault he made me type it in
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4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> slap tuna for me ;-)
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.3.8 is out now, everyone running okay with the new version?
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> we have lots of information about further plans for Linn Software, more to come soon that may clarify things
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> future plans I meant
4:42 pm:<tuna> being bought out?
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> in isolation I can see why this would cause some concern
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> but once the rest of the information is out you will have a better picture
4:43 pm:<krunch> just hope not a merger with esignal
4:43 pm:<krunch> lol
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> no buy-out offers this week ;-)
4:43 pm:<Hayden> Wow, things coming up on the horizon...
4:43 pm:<tuna> merger with MD?
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4:43 pm:<Hayden> But, as I said in the discussion, it is a shock to have Chad leaving
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> we're working on some things that involve other parties and that's why I cannot be more definitive
4:44 pm:<krunch> well, we all want the best for chad as well
4:44 pm:<krunch> been a good person to know, if ya call internet interactivity knowing someone
4:44 pm:<tuna> ok ill start the rumor in jps room....gimmee a minute
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> I expressed my sentiments in my note to the list, that's what I want as well
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> thanks guys....I plan to continue to be involved with Linn Software, the exact nature is yet to be determined and will be influenced by some other factors...but I expect to be around a while
4:47 pm:<krunch> we will hold ya to that chad
4:47 pm:<krunch> lol
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> Daniel, have you experimented with dynamic TPO yet?
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4:48 pm:<DanielX> nice...I'm sure as a result of you expanding your wings it will no doubt benefit Linnsoft
4:48 pm:<DanielX> as well
4:48 pm:<DanielX> o yes Im going to take a look right now
4:48 pm:<DanielX> !!
4:49 pm:<DanielX> just got your email
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4:49 pm:<Mike> hi all
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> I know it has some flaws...for instance, it starts the letters over with each profile..instead of retaining the "day" letters....will correct that eventually
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> and I'm really not sure how it performs in realtime...haven't done much testing there yet
4:50 pm:<DanielX> ahh
4:50 pm:<DanielX> so 12/9 or 9/12 splits it?
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> 12/9
4:50 pm:<DanielX> k
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> do "last 6 days"
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> something like that
4:50 pm:<krunch> first time I have ever had to pay to be a test pilot
4:50 pm:<krunch> lol
4:51 pm:<DanielX> k
4:51 pm:<DanielX> not true Krunch..you do it all the time with drugs
4:51 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
4:51 pm:<krunch> lol
4:51 pm:<Mike> hi Bill
4:51 pm:<Mike> get my email?
4:51 pm:<krunch> nope, have enough trouble with a cold beer
4:52 pm:<krunch> leave that other stuff alone
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, mike. good suggestions
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> don't know when I'll get to it though
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> the %BARLEFT might be easy, I'll take a look later
4:53 pm:<Mike> great
4:54 pm:<DanielX> so Chad when you say "live" you mean you don't have it spliting live but only after the 30 min period is finished?
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> to try the dynamic TPO guys, check the "special duration" and then choose "dynamic" from the list....and set periods of 12 & 9
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.3.8 has a new button type for setting a V# variable via a prompt in a chart window
4:54 pm:<DanielX> yeah Bill I just upgraded..will set that up tonight and see where we're at
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> I've been further enhancing that so you can specify a trading order or trading order group to be executed after picking the V# price you want
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> so in next update it will be "Set V# and submit order(s)"
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> the order part is optional if all you need to do is set a V# using the price ladder in a chart window
4:56 pm:<DanielX> xclnt
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> daniel will use this to set a V#9 and submit a group of trading order, each using the V#9 in the order setup
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4:57 pm:<Mike> Hello Kevin. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> minor bug in 8.3.8, the Alt-5 keyboard shortcut was accidently eliminated
4:57 pm:<Mike> lol Appole gonan buy Linnsoft
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> for opening a quotepage
4:58 pm:<DanielX> so we can send entries/exits stop placement across as many accounts as you wish in one click
4:58 pm:<Mike> PayneSoft :)
4:58 pm:<DanielX> bingo bango...
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> I added a .Forex quotepage to the list of built-in pages and somehow the quotepage shortcut was dropped in the process
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5:01 pm:<Mike> Hello fcat. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> Daniel...interesting, I did try everything from loading 2 days back, to 7 days back....and all had same "currrent" profile
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> so it might not make that much difference
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5:02 pm:<DanielX> right
5:02 pm:<DanielX> u have a live chart now?
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> over time, they will all come in synch generall
5:02 pm:<DanielX> mine is dead and not at thr right prices at all
5:04 pm:<Mike> hi cafe
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I'm seeing that also
5:05 pm:<Mike> Bill said maybe he can fix %barleft to count down on other chart types fyi
5:05 pm:<DanielX> can only show 1 day
5:05 pm:<tuna> same here
5:06 pm:<DanielX> God Er is dead to try this on....will try euro
5:08 pm:<Mike> IRT next major/minor new things please?
5:08 pm:<DanielX> 1 day Euro she's as dead mate
5:09 pm:<Mike> I need to contact Jerry of AT still need new AT that cancels orders
5:09 pm:<DanielX> chart not referencing the latest prices...
5:09 pm:<DanielX> still impressive that it's this far along Chad!
5:10 pm:<Hayden> I'll ask my question: is there a way to control the trading limit with IB? So that TSYS won't try to initiate a trade when there isn't enough funds in the account?
5:10 pm:<DanielX> I am comparing it to the other one and it's dead on at the split
5:10 pm:<Mike> Bill you ever see buttons disappear with new versions Liek i had with 8.3 version , they were repeat on all charts, mayeb new chart wizard effected them
5:10 pm:<DanielX> so as you've said..days back makes no difference really
5:10 pm:<DanielX> great news
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...not loading data up to the current time for some reason...trying to figure that out
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5:11 pm:<DanielX> k
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5:11 pm:<Mike> Hello drake. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:11 pm:<fcat> got a chart button question for you Bill when free
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5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm back
5:12 pm:<fcat> free for a ?
5:12 pm:<Mike> Hello mptrading. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> looks like this is the problem
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> chart button fcat?
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> if I do 6 days..it also only draws 6 profiles
5:12 pm:<DanielX> Chad....Profiles back instead of days back
5:13 pm:<fcat> yes....
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> it loads 6 days of data
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> but only draws the first 6 profiles
5:13 pm:<DanielX> maybe the problem will go away if you use show 6 profiles back
5:13 pm:<fcat> I have some narrow charts ...with several buttons
5:13 pm:<DanielX> instead of days
5:13 pm:<DanielX> because of the date and the session split
5:13 pm:<tuna> yeah
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> I think if you change to something like 24/18, you'll get a profile up to current
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5:14 pm:<tuna> sound reasonable
5:14 pm:<fcat> I try and create two rows by simply leaving the "move to top" field unchecked for the bottom row
5:14 pm:<Mike> 2Hello buddha. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> no, user has to specify how much data is loaded...
5:14 pm:<fcat> on some charts this works fine
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> but I'll fix this
5:14 pm:<DanielX> thats why I mentioned thatthis chart in particular be locked to a max days back to avoid this
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> ok fcat, then what
5:14 pm:<fcat> but on some the buttons always overlap each other every time I close a chart
5:14 pm:<DanielX> remeber how TPO charts were locked to a max 20 days?
5:15 pm:<DanielX> lock this to a max of 20 profiles
5:15 pm:<fcat> and I have to readjust the pane everytime
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> hmm, for small chart windows you can try setting the button size to small
5:15 pm:<fcat> any ideas?
5:15 pm:<DanielX> if people wish to see further back they use regualr TPO
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> I would suggest just having multiple panes, each pane having a row of buttons
5:16 pm:<fcat> you can set button size?
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> instead of trying to make one pane with both upper and lower rows
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> in the button setup there is a size choice
5:16 pm:<fcat> ok
5:16 pm:<DanielX> because the point of the dynamic isn't so much to show the historical data but it's to show the new break/ profile starting to form...so 10 days/ 20 profles or so will be fine
5:16 pm:<fcat> thought that might be a valid work around
5:17 pm:<DanielX> yeah another I know has 5 rows
5:17 pm:<DanielX> used for trading off a chart
5:18 pm:<Mike> then turn pane title off
5:18 pm:<DanielX> right
5:18 pm:<fcat> yes always have all pane titles off
5:18 pm:<DanielX> < same
5:19 pm:<DanielX> real estate is expensive these days
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT has a button pane feature where the topmost pane is treated as a special pane, no pane title, reserved for buttons
5:19 pm:<DanielX> oh how do I move certain buttons to new pane?
5:19 pm:<DanielX> all I see is all
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> right-click on a button and choose "All to new pane"
5:20 pm:<DanielX> forgive me..forced to use traditional charts so I am lost since ot using them for 24 months or so
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> that creates the button pane I mentioned before
5:20 pm:<fcat> still trying to figure out what size button I am using
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> right-click on a button and choose Edit button
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> then click on "small" choice and okay
5:20 pm:<buddha> Hi I have old data definition file and I am trying to import it so i can see more historical data
5:21 pm:<DanielX> but I want to move only a few out of the 15 in a pane I already have for button...how to seprate?
5:21 pm:<DanielX> copy/paste?
5:21 pm:<buddha> I go to FIle Import Data and went thru the process but it fif not work
5:21 pm:<fcat> don't see a small choice
5:21 pm:<Mike> budah intraday data?
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> there is no way to drag and drop a button from one pane to another, function was not implemented.
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> you can save the button setup as preset
5:22 pm:<buddha> nothing happen it just say IMport 1 fiel of data
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> delete the button
5:22 pm:<DanielX> ah ok
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> then add it back in the pane you want
5:22 pm:<DanielX> k
5:22 pm:<DanielX> thnx
5:22 pm:<buddha> yes intraday data that is about 1 year woth
5:22 pm:<buddha> worth
5:23 pm:<Mike> ok import fiel must match
5:23 pm:<buddha> i upgrade Linn and lost the data but i backe dit up beforehand
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> buddha, best bet is to email support with a few lines of data from the file you are trying to import
5:23 pm:<Mike> IRT export of intraday data, IRT does not coem with a format that matches it's export 1 field missing i recall
5:23 pm:<Mike> one sec
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll take a look and give you instructions for setting up the format you need for that data
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> if you have the file handy, just copy and paste a line or two into the chat window so I can see it
5:23 pm:<buddha> i thiught it supppose to be in txt format right?
5:24 pm:<Mike> i made a IRT TICK Format with following fields
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, the file must be txt format, ascii text
5:24 pm:<DanielX> yes but there ae diff types of text format depeding on the data vendor
5:24 pm:<Mike> Ticker, Date Time, Last, Tick Volume, Bid, Ask
5:24 pm:<buddha> ASCII text format i think
5:24 pm:<Mike> that will match intraday tick format IRT exports
5:24 pm:<buddha> ok
5:24 pm:<DanielX> esig/mytrack/ib all text data but all sent in a different sequence
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> well, show me a few lines from the top of the file
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> is the file produced by I/RT ? or some other source?
5:25 pm:<buddha> produce by IRT and been using MyTrack Data
5:25 pm:<DanielX> sounds like other source or other data vendr IRT supports
5:26 pm:<DanielX> right
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5:26 pm:<Mike> no irt produced it
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> mike is right then
5:26 pm:<Mike> is it 1 min data or tick you exported?
5:26 pm:<DanielX> exported from Mytrack and imported into Mytrack?/
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> Ticker, Date Time, Last, Tick Volume, Bid, Ask
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> is the format you need
5:26 pm:<Mike> Bill might add that format to IRT installers :)
5:27 pm:<fcat> why don't I have the secret small button option ?
5:27 pm:<fcat> or am I mental?
5:27 pm:<DanielX> or export Mytrack and trying to convert it to anthoer format?
5:27 pm:<DanielX> hmmm...
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> go to Setup: Preferences: Technical Indicators
5:27 pm:<buddha> 1 min data
5:27 pm:<Mike> i see no button sizing either
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> and pick Button as the indicator
5:27 pm:<fcat> ok
5:27 pm:<fcat> aha
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> that's where you'll find this option, it's global I guess
5:28 pm:<Mike> there it is :)
5:28 pm:<fcat> tks Bill
5:28 pm:<fcat> :-)
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> that affects all buttons, even in the larger chart windows, it is a global setting
5:28 pm:<fcat> oh how sweet is that
5:29 pm:<fcat> instant real estate
5:29 pm:<buddha> ok hold on I'll get the lines
5:29 pm:<fcat> Bill...you are my best friend
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT has small, medium, and large for just about anything ;-)
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> like those small buttons huh?
5:29 pm:<fcat> oh yeah
5:30 pm:<fcat> :-)
5:30 pm:<Mike> someday paint histogram not globally be nice
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> screen real estate is precious
5:30 pm:<fcat> and how
5:30 pm:<buddha> ok here are few lines i copy
5:30 pm:<buddha> BEGIN Investor/RT CHART DEFINITION for main linear regression channel
5:30 pm:<Hayden> It's either that or buy another screen. Wonder what the average number of screens for IRT users is? I only have 2
5:31 pm:<DanielX> CHad..how to make 4 x 12/9 into on profile?
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> that is a chart definition, not historical data
5:31 pm:<buddha> COMMENT=NONE
5:31 pm:<fcat> just 2 here as well hayden
5:31 pm:<buddha> ok
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> I thought you were importing historical data?
5:31 pm:<buddha> i think wrong file hold on
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> those lines are from a chart definition, use File: Import: Chart Definition to import it
5:31 pm:<DanielX> just do a 48/36
5:32 pm:<DanielX> hmm
5:32 pm:<DanielX> let m see
5:33 pm:<buddha> but chart definitions does not have historical dat
5:33 pm:<buddha> data
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> right, chart def only carries the setup for the chart and the instruments in the chart, but no historical data
5:34 pm:<buddha> ok found the file hold on
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> that must be exported separately in another file if needed
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> usually, the recipient of the chart def simply clicks the chart download button to load data into the chart from the service you use
5:35 pm:<Mike> bill recall periodicity for a change like .8 change so I can add to my periodicity menu button? .8C maybe?
5:35 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, think so
5:36 pm:<Mike> yep
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> 1000V or .8C or 1R
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> for volume, change, or range periodicity
5:37 pm:<Mike> this year is IRT's 10th anniversary?
5:37 pm:<buddha> ok here it is
5:37 pm:<buddha> -Ticker Date Time Open High Low Last Volume Open Interest
5:37 pm:<buddha> ES`M 03/23/2006 08:31:00 1313.25000 1313.25000 1312.25000 1312.50000 5045 0
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> Sept 2006 is ten years since release 1.0
5:38 pm:<buddha> ES`M 03/23/2006 08:32:00 1312.25000 1312.75000 1312.25000 1312.75000 2553 0
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5:38 pm:<DanielX> oh 10 years!
5:38 pm:<Mike> Hello Mary. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, that is bar data not tick data
5:38 pm:<tuna> not sept 11th i hope
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> ticker,datetime,open,high,low,last,volume,openinit
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> that is called "Import Format"
5:38 pm:<DanielX> maybe I make my way down to Georgia for the anniversary hoe down
5:38 pm:<buddha> ok so can i import it?
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> use File: Import: Data, pick Minute Bar Data, and set format to "Import Format"
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> import type is Tick or Minute Bar Date
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> and File Format is "Import Format"
5:40 pm:<buddha> ok got it let me try it
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> then click Import, then open a chart of ES`M and you should be able to see data from March 2006 on
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5:42 pm:<buddha> after i import it
5:42 pm:<buddha> the Import screen is still there
5:43 pm:<buddha> it say import one file
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, that's how it works, in case you have more importing to do
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> just hit the esc key to dismiss the window
5:43 pm:<buddha> so just click cancel
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> or click cancel
5:44 pm:<buddha> YEAH it worked
5:44 pm:<buddha> thanks
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> if you press the esc key you will notice that it do the "cancel" button
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, sure
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5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> it does the "cancel", excuse my grammer
5:45 pm:<Mary> Hi Bill, How do I config futures options symbols?
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> those are a great mystery
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> which data vendor do you use?
5:47 pm:<buddha> is there any way in the future you would post intraday data for impoting?
5:47 pm:<Mike> click and drag buttosn be great feature to reoder or move to p anes other charts be great :)
5:47 pm:<Mary> DTN.MA
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> post intra-day data? not sure what you mean
5:47 pm:<Mike> share for users to import
5:48 pm:<buddha> yes for new users of Linn
5:48 pm:<drake> yeah chad mentioned that at one time
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> historical data comes from the data vendors, we do not post or provide any historical data at all.
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> which data vendor do you use buddha?
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5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> mary which exchange are you interested in?
5:49 pm:<buddha> because with Mytrack you can only get data from the time u sign up with Linn
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> myTrack has historical data for all the futures
5:49 pm:<buddha> Mytrack
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> plus they have long term continuous historical data using Dial/Data which is included with your I/RT myTrack subscription
5:50 pm:<Mary> I tryed S & P to no avail
5:50 pm:<buddha> oh ok how far back cuz i can't seem to get it since i upgrade to new version of Linn
5:50 pm:<drake> historical meaning like 30 days
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> which exchange is that Mary, I'm trying to find the options on DTN'S web site?
5:51 pm:<buddha> lost all my data
5:51 pm:<drake> i used to have data back to last april lost mine too budha when updating
5:51 pm:<Mike> Mary you want SP emini future?
5:51 pm:<Mary> CME - SP
5:51 pm:<Mike> big contract or emini?
5:52 pm:<Mary> big
5:53 pm:<Mary> Sorry that should be Globex - forgot I had trouble with the underlying on CME
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> DTN does not seem to have a symbol directory for options on futures, only equity and index options
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Good night all
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> buddha, which symbol are you having trouble with in myTrack?
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5:54 pm:<Mary> Yes, I couldn't find it either
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> you should be able to click the data download button in lower right corner of chart to request historical data for futures symbols
5:55 pm:<buddha> all of them it seem like i can only get historical data from time i upgrade
5:55 pm:<buddha> linn
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> I know they carry the data
5:55 pm:<buddha> like es or `m
5:55 pm:<drake> i have same problem buddha
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> buddha, press Alt+U to access the database wizard and click on Full Maintenance
5:56 pm:<drake> had data back to last april when i joined linn
5:56 pm:<drake> lost it when did some upgrades in feb\
5:56 pm:<drake> now i have it to beg of march
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> this will do a full checkup on your database which may have something to do with this.
5:57 pm:<buddha> ok
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> ES`M or ES`U should world fine
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't know of any software problem in this area. I will do some testing with myTrack after the chat today just to be sure
5:57 pm:<buddha> it fix or reset the database when run the checkup?
5:58 pm:<Mary> Is that for the mini's
5:58 pm:<Mike> yes ES is mini's
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> the Full Maintenance does some minor repairs if necessary, compressses the database, and reports whether the database checks out as okay
5:58 pm:<Mary> Thanks I'll try that then
5:59 pm:<tuna> chad
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5:59 pm:<drake> i did that still only goes back to when i lost it at time of upgrade in march
5:59 pm:<drake> seems like it verified it back to march 23
5:59 pm:<tuna> chad see pm
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> myTrack historical data only goes back about 15 days I think
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> intra-day I mean
6 pm:<Mike> drake if need more datat on eminis i or others users can export and email you file to import
6 pm:<Mike> i h ave tennis match be back 3 hours
6 pm:<buddha> that is same date i can go back to
6 pm:<LS_Bill> DTN.IQ and eSignal have much longer term intra-day data
6 pm:<Mike> i be here then
6 pm:<Mike> yes can not get more then 15 days of intraday if you dl it
6 pm:<LS_Bill> so a download from myTrack will not change anything that far back
6 pm:<LS_Bill> oh?
6 pm:<buddha> back in march
6 pm:<Mike> IRT can retain more though it settings are set to retain more
6 pm:<LS_Bill> how many days mike
6:01 pm:<drake> yes i used to have it back to when i originally signed up
6:01 pm:<drake> lost it when i did some upgread
6:01 pm:<Mike> right drake
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> drake, see setup preferences historical
6:01 pm:<drake> now i cross my fingers everytime i update
6:01 pm:<Mike> right have to check historical retention setting
6:01 pm:<drake> anyway i can make sure i dont have worry
6:01 pm:<Mike> right drake
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT purges data older than the retention period specified there
6:01 pm:<drake> ok i am folling
6:01 pm:<Mike> upgrade i do a full folder copy first
6:02 pm:<drake> where is retention
6:03 pm:<drake> mike i would love you to email me it
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> Setup: Preferences: Historical
6:03 pm:<Mike> ok what symbol you need and for hwo long and what data? 1 min?
6:03 pm:<drake> i had it set to 356 days
6:03 pm:<Mike> I have ER
6:03 pm:<Mike> otehrs might have ES
6:03 pm:<drake> then when i upgrade in march it basically wiped everything out
6:04 pm:<drake> i need the es eminis
6:04 pm:<drake> and nq and er ym eminis
6:04 pm:<Mike> maybe some users can email them, I can post files to a web folder for all to have
6:04 pm:<drake> and nq and er ym eminis
6:04 pm:<buddha> that would be great
6:04 pm:<drake> ditto that buddha
6:04 pm:<Mike> ok
6:05 pm:<Mike> I try or ask users on maillist to get all those
6:05 pm:<drake> i set the retention
6:05 pm:<Mike> I do not track or retain on all those
6:05 pm:<drake> where is the mailist
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> to join our discussion list, go to linnsoft.com and click on "Discussion List " button
6:08 pm:<drake> would we get emails of new things sort of like yahoo groups?
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, that's exactly what it is, the linnsoft Yahoo Group
6:09 pm:<drake> cool
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> you can scan the archives, upload files, etc.
6:09 pm:<Mike> i feel all users should be on list from day 1 actually
6:09 pm:<DanielX> yes
6:09 pm:<DanielX> many have o idea
6:10 pm:<DanielX> *no
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> it was initially an eGroup when Yahoo acquired egroups.com
6:10 pm:<DanielX> right
6:10 pm:<drake> so from there mike i should post what i need right?
6:10 pm:<DanielX> "We urge you to please sign up at yahoo/IRT help groups asap for email support"
6:11 pm:<DanielX> we need more dialog on yahoo
6:11 pm:<DanielX> 500+ users and 20 posts a week if at all
6:11 pm:<DanielX> get me the pr dept.
6:11 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
6:11 pm:<buddha> ok i join the group
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> I think that with Chad focusing on other things in the months ahead, the use of the discussion group for more general Q&A would be great
6:13 pm:<buddha> did not even know it existed
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> that way, I can answer a question once and lots of users see the answer
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> and the really frequently asked questions end up both in the archives of the list, plus some of them in our FAQ section on the web site
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> I plan to send out an email about this individually to each user of the software with a link for signing up for the discussion list
6:15 pm:<DanielX> k
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> some times I spend up to 30 minutes on a single in depth question for one user
6:15 pm:<drake> thanks bill and mike
6:15 pm:<DanielX> hehe
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> but I often do not take the time to make that response more generally available
6:16 pm:<drake> hopefully someone will have the historical data
6:16 pm:<buddha> yeah this would save you alot of time with repeated questions
6:16 pm:<drake> hey buddha i know you do profile
6:16 pm:<DanielX> I spend a good 10 hours a week on email concerning IRT for support or other
6:16 pm:<drake> on ensign
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> if the dialog was done via the discussion list that would come as a natural byproduct of the forum
6:16 pm:<drake> danielx is big on profile with linn
6:17 pm:<DanielX> who me?
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah you ;-)
6:17 pm:<drake> buddha had question how they compare
6:17 pm:<buddha> oh really is there a way to improve the market profile line Ensign
6:17 pm:<buddha> i use there on-going profile
6:18 pm:<DanielX> IRT has the best TPO/MP chart sin the industry bar none
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> I didn't know ensign even had a market profile chart
6:18 pm:<DanielX> even better now than CF32 which costs 10k a year
6:18 pm:<buddha> if u move the chart backward and forward u can see each profile develope at that particular bar
6:18 pm:<drake> i remember enthios saying he loved r/t but went with ensign because of profile issues
6:18 pm:<drake> but it seems r/t has resolved them
6:19 pm:<buddha> it is very good for testing developing market profile as if u can see it develope in real time
6:19 pm:<DanielX> no not profile issues
6:19 pm:<buddha> Enign call it Price Histogram
6:19 pm:<drake> ok
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, chad has been almost 100% in profile mode for well over 9 months now. They are really solid now
6:19 pm:<DanielX> he went back to ensign because his little G4 laptop could not handle OSX IRT
6:19 pm:<drake> ok danielx
6:19 pm:<drake> do you still hang out there
6:20 pm:<DanielX> never did
6:20 pm:<DanielX> went once or twice
6:20 pm:<drake> oh i thought i saw you there once
6:20 pm:<DanielX> yep that would be exact!
6:20 pm:<DanielX> once or twice
6:20 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:20 pm:<DanielX> for 30 mins
6:20 pm:<drake> rotfl
6:20 pm:<drake> i only use his as price points filters
6:20 pm:*** arno has left
6:20 pm:<DanielX> ah
6:20 pm:<drake> that is only part of mp i have incorporated
6:20 pm:<buddha> so far Linn only show the Profile but i can't move it back and forth to see the profile development
6:21 pm:<drake> except for exits
6:21 pm:<buddha> so I have to end up paying for two software
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> chad is looking at that buddha, are you taking about playback?
6:21 pm:<DanielX> Bill/Chad will put together a detailed ad for TPO/MP charts in IRT I'm thinking. for TASC magazine
6:21 pm:<buddha> no
6:22 pm:<DanielX> buhda ofcourse u can
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't know what you mean by "move it back and forth" to see the profile develop.
6:22 pm:<buddha> in chart if you move the bottom cursor to advance or go back the chart u can see the profile changes
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> we have a "playback" feature so you can see the profile develop (over and over if you wish)
6:22 pm:<buddha> the scroll button on bottom of chart
6:22 pm:<buddha> u know to move chart left or right
6:23 pm:<DanielX> u can show a bunch of days and just scroll left right
6:23 pm:<buddha> with the playback i have to wait for end of day
6:23 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, we have both horizontal and vertical scollbars for the TPO charts
6:23 pm:<DanielX> no you dont
6:23 pm:<DanielX> can strt the playback anytime n
6:23 pm:<DanielX> no?
6:24 pm:<buddha> when I move the scrollbar does the profile changes to reflect profile at that particular bar?
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> can yes.
6:24 pm:<DanielX> oh u mean scroll back one 30 min period
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> hit tab key to toggle the info box on/off
6:24 pm:<DanielX> gotcha
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> then aim mouse at a particular letter
6:24 pm:<buddha> like i have in 2min setting
6:25 pm:*** arno has joined us
6:25 pm:<DanielX> right you can't scroll back per row to see developing
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> scrolling in our profile just shows you previous days of profile
6:25 pm:<DanielX> only scroll back the whole day/s or or use playback
6:26 pm:<buddha> right ENsign can do that
6:26 pm:<buddha> see it developed per row or bar
6:26 pm:<DanielX> ah but it cant do anything else
6:26 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:26 pm:<buddha> but if u guys can improve on that feature it would be great
6:26 pm:<LS_Bill> let me see if I understand this
6:27 pm:<buddha> because i use ongoing developing profile
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> you want to be able to move the mouse back in time and see the profile only up to that time?
6:27 pm:<DanielX> but u lost me where you use ongoing developing
6:27 pm:<buddha> yes exactly
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> and then start playback from there?
6:27 pm:<DanielX> yeah bill he wants to be able to scroll back in time
6:28 pm:<DanielX> not even payback persay but scroll back
6:28 pm:<buddha> because profile changes as time goes by
6:28 pm:<DanielX> like how a 2 min candle chart can scroll back
6:28 pm:<buddha> yes
6:28 pm:<DanielX> so u need to see that?
6:28 pm:<buddha> to see profile changes like from 7:30 to 11:30 you see it changes
6:29 pm:<DanielX> u want to be able to scroll back an hour or 2 to tak a look at what ahappened?
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> ok I think I see, our scrollbar now just shows prior days of profiles
6:29 pm:<buddha> Ensign let u see it for every minute
6:29 pm:<buddha> just move scrollbar left or right it see it chages
6:29 pm:<DanielX> gothca
6:29 pm:<drake> because you use it alot for exits buddha?
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> so you want a different kind of scrolling bar for drawing the profile only up to that point in time
6:29 pm:<DanielX> time scroll
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah
6:30 pm:<DanielX> nice idea
6:30 pm:<DanielX> sort of a more advanced play back
6:30 pm:<buddha> yes because i use it fir exits and developing profile make the exit change according to profile
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> well, I can see this as a sort of "start playback here" feature
6:31 pm:<DanielX> or the ability to control playback with user imput as opposed to auto plabck of whole day/days
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> since chad already has the playback done
6:31 pm:<DanielX> right
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> yep
6:31 pm:<buddha> right no need for playback
6:31 pm:<buddha> just scroll the button and it act as a playback
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> so buddha, what you do is move the scrollbar to play forward ?
6:32 pm:<DanielX> yeah thats the idea
6:32 pm:<buddha> yes
6:32 pm:<DanielX> just like a an IRT traditiona chart
6:32 pm:<buddha> forward and backward
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> well, a click on the scrollbar is like a manual advance of one TPO during playback
6:32 pm:<buddha> and the profile change say 7:30 profile is different from 11:30 profile
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> advance or move back in time
6:33 pm:<buddha> and u can see the changes on every minute
6:33 pm:<buddha> yes
6:33 pm:<LS_Bill> sure, we do that now with what we call playback
6:33 pm:<LS_Bill> it's just that we do not have precise method of directing the playback using a scrollbar
6:34 pm:<buddha> so with playback cannnot control playbackby gong back and forth
6:34 pm:<LS_Bill> right now, playback can only go forward
6:34 pm:<buddha> Linn plkayback just play forward
6:35 pm:<DanielX> need button Bill so playback/forward can be moved incrementally
6:35 pm:<DanielX> manually
6:35 pm:<buddha> ok yeah with scrollbar
6:35 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah I think that would address this need, we need ability to say start playback at this precise time
6:35 pm:<DanielX> move back say in 5/1015mins in time
6:35 pm:<DanielX> 5/10/15
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> and then a way to scroll forward and backward on a time scale
6:36 pm:<DanielX> y
6:36 pm:<buddha> yes with ENsign u can see each market profile bar develpe
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> each "move" on the scrollbar would have to recompute the profiles up to the current position
6:36 pm:<DanielX> y
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, our playback does the same thing
6:37 pm:<LS_Bill> we're just taking here about give the user more control over the playback
6:37 pm:<DanielX> y
6:37 pm:<DanielX> time control
6:37 pm:<LS_Bill> right
6:37 pm:<buddha> also is Linn new profile feature like those of MarktDelta?
6:37 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm sure chad and do this in no time flat :-)
6:38 pm:<buddha> they look very identical
6:38 pm:<LS_Bill> it's always easy to say how fast someone else can get a job done ;-)
6:38 pm:<DanielX> thats Volume Profile yes buddha
6:38 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:38 pm:<LS_Bill> volume profile, not TPO (market profile)
6:38 pm:<DanielX> BIll it's been six months+ since this all started
6:38 pm:<buddha> so what does Linn have that other MP software don't?
6:38 pm:<DanielX> still not done
6:39 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:39 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, I know
6:39 pm:<tuna> it can do tick time or range budda
6:39 pm:<LS_Bill> there you go, thanks tunda
6:39 pm:<LS_Bill> tuna
6:39 pm:<DanielX> toomany features to list
6:39 pm:<buddha> what do u mean by range?
6:39 pm:<tuna> yup
6:39 pm:<DanielX> many don't even know whatthey can do
6:39 pm:<LS_Bill> reference line stuff is pretty powerful too
6:40 pm:<tuna> yup
6:40 pm:<LS_Bill> plus IRT can calculate TPO related values and show them on traditional time interval charts too
6:40 pm:<buddha> refreence line like pivot points?
6:40 pm:<drake> for what i have seen buddha you dont need much more
6:41 pm:<DanielX> split/session/group sessions/days/ make unique sessions on any instrument...show volume inbeded/reprt volume at each level/width on and on
6:41 pm:<DanielX> so many
6:41 pm:<drake> but you always seem to come up with new way to use mp volume profile whatever you coin it
6:41 pm:<tuna> bill is the special duration only on the pro version?
6:41 pm:<buddha> ok anything to help pinpoint reversals?
6:42 pm:<DanielX> can add ref lines...distiguish between vol and time POC/VA
6:42 pm:<LS_Bill> how about the new TPO indicator daniel
6:42 pm:<DanielX> yes TPOindicator is allowing me to finally automate TPO/MP trading
6:42 pm:<LS_Bill> and Volume Breakdown indicator
6:42 pm:<tuna> the dynamic profile?
6:43 pm:<DanielX> that too
6:43 pm:<tuna> is it only on the proversion?
6:43 pm:<DanielX> almost done
6:43 pm:<tuna> bill?
6:43 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad was showing me some impressive trading signal markers using vol breakdown to pin point reversals
6:43 pm:<buddha> okso i need to upgrade to prov ersion to use the MP features?
6:43 pm:<LS_Bill> yes?
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> no, at present it's all in the Standard version
6:44 pm:<tuna> lol
6:44 pm:<tuna> ok
6:44 pm:<tuna> thats what i thought
6:44 pm:<LS_Bill> we have announced that we plan a special Profiles related elective featureset
6:44 pm:<tuna> lol
6:44 pm:<buddha> ok i want to try teh Volume Breakdown Indicator
6:45 pm:<buddha> ok right now we just need to pay extra $15 to use these features right>
6:45 pm:<buddha> ?
6:45 pm:<LS_Bill> I think you can add that indicator to a traditional chart in the standard version, but you need pro version to create a signal marker to annotated the chart
6:46 pm:<buddha> ok
6:46 pm:<LS_Bill> we will be announcing pricing of these feature very soon. We have already said that the profiles features would be in the 10 to $20 range, on top of IRT standard which is $39
6:47 pm:<tuna> it can be cpu intensive too
6:47 pm:<buddha> uh oh
6:47 pm:<LS_Bill> some users might want to use the Pro version which has more powerful RTL features, signa markers, etc.
6:47 pm:<DanielX> yes need pro complete for TPO automation
6:48 pm:<LS_Bill> you taking about the volume breakdown indicator, tuna?
6:48 pm:<tuna> yeah
6:48 pm:<tuna> it think that was it
6:48 pm:<tuna> i tried one chad gave me
6:49 pm:<LS_Bill> I know chad did some work on this, there were some memory leaks in the early versions that may have caused some of this
6:49 pm:<tuna> it pegged this intel pos
6:49 pm:<tuna> ok
6:49 pm:<DanielX> so Chad showed u some neat volume breakdown reversals huh?
6:49 pm:<LS_Bill> and there was a fix in 8.3.8 where IRT was do a full recalc when it did not need to
6:49 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
6:49 pm:<tuna> ahhhhh
6:50 pm:<tuna> ok
6:50 pm:<LS_Bill> so I think some progress was made in the performance area
6:50 pm:<tuna> ill try it again
6:50 pm:<DanielX> so his leaving my fault then!
6:50 pm:<buddha> I JUST TRY THAT AND IT IS BLANK
6:50 pm:<tuna> we think so
6:50 pm:<buddha> the volume breakdoen indicaotr
6:51 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:51 pm:<buddha> need to have it running lwhen market open?
6:51 pm:<LS_Bill> you have data in the chart window?
6:51 pm:<buddha> yes
6:51 pm:<LS_Bill> click to download if not
6:52 pm:<buddha> i can se the chart fine in 2min
6:52 pm:<LS_Bill> which preferences are you using
6:52 pm:<LS_Bill> right-click in the Vol Breakdown pane and edit the indicator
6:52 pm:<buddha> just default
6:53 pm:<tuna> need chad to debug dynamic before bill fires him
6:53 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't know what the defaults are
6:53 pm:<buddha> Delta(Buy-Sell VOl)
6:53 pm:<buddha> uncheck Accumulate
6:54 pm:<buddha> Statistic is None
6:54 pm:<buddha> Draw As:Histogram,Solid
6:54 pm:<DanielX> lol
6:54 pm:<DanielX> tuna
6:54 pm:<tuna> heh
6:54 pm:<buddha> uncheck "Record Current Value Into:
6:56 pm:<LS_Bill> I have those same settings and the histogram shows up fne
6:56 pm:<buddha> yeah i change settings and still blank
6:56 pm:<buddha> ok weird
6:56 pm:<LS_Bill> what version u running buddha
6:56 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.3.8?
6:56 pm:<buddha> 8.3 Rev8
6:57 pm:<LS_Bill> try a different symbol in the chart
6:57 pm:<LS_Bill> working fine here
6:57 pm:<buddha> ok
6:58 pm:<buddha> Daniel what time frame are u using to nail those reversals?
6:58 pm:<LS_Bill> click data download button in lower right corner of chart
6:58 pm:<LS_Bill> time flys when you're having a good time, it's almost 7pm here folks, I have to call it a day
6:58 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice evening everyone
6:58 pm:*** LS_Bill has left
6:58 pm:<buddha> OK THANKS ALOT
7 pm:<DanielX> k=oku too
7 pm:<DanielX> ok u 2
7 pm:<DanielX> back to work on V# and automation fo rme
7 pm:<arno> Daniel - did you get the Pro version last week?
7 pm:<DanielX> buhddha..I have not used that thing yet
7 pm:<DanielX> just saw it yesterday
7:01 pm:<DanielX> have not had a chance to trow it in my tool box and give it a whirl
7:01 pm:<DanielX> *throw
7:01 pm:<DanielX> arno...I have Probacktester
7:01 pm:<DanielX> upgraded to Pro full today
7:01 pm:<DanielX> for automation
7:01 pm:<arno> I upgraded full - signals are now showing up when expected.
7:02 pm:<arno> using TSYS
7:02 pm:<DanielX> ahh
7:02 pm:<arno> works pretty good, except I need better signals. lol
7:02 pm:<DanielX> I am having problems still
7:02 pm:<DanielX> all showing up but some too often
7:02 pm:<DanielX> odd
7:02 pm:<buddha> Chad so what time frame are u using the Volume Breakdown Indicator to nail the reversals?
7:03 pm:<tuna> hes not here
7:03 pm:<DanielX> Chad no longer around I think
7:03 pm:<arno> maybe your rules need tweaking.
7:03 pm:<DanielX> logged in but probably away
7:03 pm:<tuna> got him working on something
7:03 pm:<tuna> lol
7:03 pm:<buddha> oh ok maybe i can catch him anothre time
7:03 pm:<drake> lol
7:04 pm:<buddha> Tuna u mind if i ask you then?
7:04 pm:<DanielX> yeah I had someone look at the rules and it should ONLY appear at one level but they appear on other bars so what I do is turn them off and on and the erroneous ones disappear
7:04 pm:<DanielX> odd..not sure if bug or formula problem
7:05 pm:<arno> mmm wierd. I'm still working on mine, but haven't encountered that.
7:05 pm:<tuna> what buddha
7:05 pm:<DanielX> u have the in a TSYS chart
7:05 pm:<DanielX> *them
7:05 pm:<buddha> i thiought i read that u use Volume Breakdown INdicator to catch reversal
7:06 pm:<buddha> so i was wondering what time frame are u using it?
7:06 pm:<arno> actually a "normal" chart and then I put TSYS indicator on top.
7:06 pm:<tuna> i tried it once
7:06 pm:<tuna> chad gave it to me
7:06 pm:<arno> not sure if that's the right way, but it seems to work
7:06 pm:<tuna> it was pegging the cpu
7:07 pm:<DanielX> ah
7:07 pm:<buddha> oh ok so u are using something else now?
7:07 pm:<DanielX> I have a whole chart with it
7:07 pm:<tuna> new one could be better