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4:24 pm:*** LS_Chad has joined us
4:24 pm:<tuna> chad did you run dynamic live today?
4:25 pm:*** krunch12b has joined us
4:26 pm:<LS_Chad> no..didn't run it
4:26 pm:<LS_Chad> did you?
4:26 pm:<tuna> too scared
4:26 pm:<krunch12b> oh, add video isnt loading up like the rest of the videos
4:26 pm:<LS_Chad> I've run it live...and seems to run fine
4:27 pm:<subq> where is the video for dynamic live?
4:27 pm:<LS_Chad> not one
4:27 pm:<tuna> crashed bad yesterday
4:27 pm:<LS_Chad> video is for created advance decline line for IB
4:27 pm:*** buddha has joined us
4:27 pm:<subq> how do I run it? i'm not scared
4:27 pm:<subq> :)
4:28 pm:<krunch12b> couldnt get it to run chad, the video that is
4:28 pm:<LS_Chad> "Special Duration: Dynamic: 12, 9"
4:28 pm:<buddha> Chad the video u just posted on using teh adv/decl for ib does not work
4:28 pm:<LS_Chad> running fine here guys...just refresh it
4:31 pm:<buddha> i click on the html and flash and the page i sblank
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> no one can view the video?
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/videos/ad_ib/index.html
4:31 pm:<krunch12b> same here chad, tried to refresh and also
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> can you view the other videos?
4:32 pm:<krunch12b> yes
4:32 pm:<buddha> yes
4:32 pm:<buddha> the TPO vidoes work fine
4:32 pm:<krunch12b> can get others to boot up
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> hmm...produce the same as others...and works fine here
4:32 pm:<subq> running fine here
4:32 pm:<subq> that video
4:33 pm:*** DanielX has joined us
4:33 pm:<subq> that only applicable to IB feed?
4:33 pm:<buddha> hmm my friend said he can see it
4:34 pm:<subq> all you long timers does IRT have to be set to local time?
4:34 pm:<DanielX> nope
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> don't know why it wouldn't worked
4:34 pm:<subq> i dont like that, all my other software I have set to ET
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> asked my wife and she can view fine at another location
4:34 pm:<DanielX> right ..set to est
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> you need to set to whtatever your computer clock is set to
4:34 pm:<subq> cool, the docs made it sound like it has to be set to my local time
4:34 pm:<buddha> i guess just me
4:35 pm:<buddha> weird
4:35 pm:<subq> LS_Chad that's what I thought, any way to get around that?
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..change the computer clock ;)
4:35 pm:<subq> i cant stand looking at local time in my charts
4:35 pm:<buddha> do i need latest flash reader?
4:35 pm:<buddha> i can see other videos
4:35 pm:<subq> IRT is the only software I have run into that requires that
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> you need flash viewer, yes...not sure about latest
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> ask the question when Bill gets in here...that's his area of expertise
4:36 pm:<buddha> ok thanks
4:36 pm:<buddha> maybe I'll try from anohter computer
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> concerned you guys can't view
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> strange that you can view other flash videos, but not that one
4:36 pm:<DanielX> chnage time zone in registration or in sessions
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> right Daniel...but pretty sure that doesn't work unless you change your computer clock to match
4:37 pm:<subq> DanielX, Chad said it had to be set to computer's time
4:37 pm:<buddha> altight thanks later
4:37 pm:<DanielX> right computer closck also
4:37 pm:<DanielX> *clock*
4:37 pm:*** buddha has left
4:37 pm:<subq> im not changing my computer clock
4:37 pm:<subq> cant possibly do that :)
4:37 pm:<DanielX> wht?
4:37 pm:<DanielX> u can trade the future
4:37 pm:<DanielX> ;-)
4:38 pm:<subq> i would if i wasnt a network engineer
4:38 pm:<DanielX> ah
4:38 pm:<subq> and everything i connect to etc etc has time stamps
4:38 pm:<subq> synced to atomic clocks, etc etc
4:38 pm:<DanielX> k
4:38 pm:*** Hayden has joined us
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> subq...new user?
4:38 pm:<subq> let's see if they will let us change the time in the software
4:38 pm:<subq> next version
4:38 pm:<subq> Chad, yeah been having all sorts of issues :)
4:39 pm:<subq> im that guy that was complaining about iqfeed
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> well..if you set I/RT time zone to one other than computer clock..that probably accounts for alot of it
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> ok
4:39 pm:<subq> no it is set to local
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...probably be happier with esig
4:39 pm:*** Christine2 has joined us
4:39 pm:<subq> esig seems to be running ok
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...already up with that...that was quick
4:40 pm:<subq> yep
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> futures trader?
4:40 pm:<subq> yep
4:40 pm:<subq> i trade options too but not from IRT :)
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> well....you probably could have saved some time installing custom installers for esig futures traders from www.linnsoft.com/profiles
4:40 pm:<DanielX> Chad nice job on the Dynamic TPO but are you getting a 5 min lock up at the 9:30 est open for 5 mins straight?
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> how many days were you using?
4:41 pm:<DanielX> 3
4:41 pm:<DanielX> 7/3
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> it probably is reloading / recalcing at that time
4:41 pm:<DanielX> split
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> but shouldn't take 5 minutes...hmm
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> will test at open tomorrow
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> what session? 9:30 to 4:15?
4:41 pm:<subq> Chad do the upgrades overwrite any of the original insteall...custom installers I mean...there is a newer version out
4:41 pm:<DanielX> y
4:41 pm:<subq> once you install the custom
4:41 pm:<DanielX> hmm
4:41 pm:<DanielX> no
4:41 pm:<DanielX> 24hr
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> upgrades do not...you'd have to uninstall to get the database in those custom installers
4:41 pm:*** LS_Bill has joined us
4:41 pm:<Mike> Hello LS_Bill. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
4:42 pm:<subq> no problem
4:42 pm:<subq> just started using it
4:42 pm:<subq> an uninstall is trivial :)
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> hmm...sounds like it got into an loop at the open maybe
4:42 pm:<DanielX> y
4:42 pm:<Mike> Chad someday liek to see the accumulating ad vol les dec vol sum
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I'd do that subq
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> uninstall from "start: programs: investorrt"
4:42 pm:<Mike> never was ab le to get it right, a godo trader Sport uses it
4:42 pm:<DanielX> Mike that easy
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> just do it with a custom insrument...like I showed in the video
4:43 pm:<DanielX> Mytrack sends it or you can make an adv/dec index
4:43 pm:<Mike> adv dec volume!
4:43 pm:<DanielX> y
4:43 pm:<Mike> ok i try and se eif I get near sum he has
4:43 pm:<DanielX> some vendors send it as a special tickier
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> Bill, subq asking if he could set I/RT time zone to one other than computer...not possible, correct?
4:44 pm:<DanielX> ticker*
4:44 pm:<tuna> mpx did you get it workind after 5 mins?
4:44 pm:<Mike> when do we get public new release on Chad's endeavors?
4:44 pm:<tuna> working
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> no, it must match the computer
4:44 pm:<subq> we really need the ability to set our own timezone
4:44 pm:<subq> this is the only software that has required me to do that
4:44 pm:<Hayden> Chad, I've got my time set for EST, and I'm here in Denmark, works fine
4:44 pm:<subq> and you can get screwed up badly
4:44 pm:<DanielX> yeah..I just sat on my hands and let it start on it's own
4:44 pm:<subq> if everything you are looking at is ET
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> but you have computer clock set to EST, right Hayden?
4:45 pm:<Hayden> Yes
4:45 pm:<tuna> i was too scared to try it today
4:45 pm:<subq> i cant set my computer clock to ET
4:45 pm:<DanielX> scared why?
4:45 pm:<DanielX> the lockup?
4:45 pm:<tuna> yup
4:45 pm:<tuna> and or crash
4:45 pm:<DanielX> yeah I missed the opeing trade for +8 points because of it
4:45 pm:<DanielX> :-(
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> what time zone are you in subq?
4:46 pm:<tuna> exactly
4:46 pm:<subq> central
4:46 pm:<DanielX> +6*
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> consider it in extreme beta stages....run a second version of I/RT with it if you want
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> so you want computer to be setup for central time, but you want your charts to show NY time?
4:46 pm:<subq> yep
4:46 pm:<subq> all my other charting software and quoting software is set to ET
4:47 pm:<subq> just like the "market" :)
4:47 pm:<subq> but since Im a network engineer and work with a lot of servers and routers and stuff i cant change my computer time
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> subq you would not believe the effort that has been expendend to make IRT smart enough to plot charts in your real local time zone
4:48 pm:<subq> i would probably believe it
4:48 pm:<Mike> Chad: Christine and many woodie traders liek to see slope on 34 ema in annotation that possible somehow for them?
4:48 pm:<subq> but I can tell you IRT is the only app that had required it
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> it's so hard to do, that there is no other software out there that does it ;-)
4:48 pm:<subq> none of my other trading software requires it
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...have custom column computing it..and setting into V#1
4:49 pm:<subq> and some of it is extremely complex...some options risk analysis stuff that works in realtime
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> put %V#1 in annotation
4:49 pm:<Mike> humm need cust col open then also?
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> well, yes, MIke
4:49 pm:<Christine2> what is cust col? i have so much to learn still
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> custom column
4:50 pm:<subq> LS_Bill are you saying we won't ever have the ability to change the local time inside IRT? :)
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> for quotepages...can create columns based on just about anything
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> with rules coloring them based on a variety of criteria
4:50 pm:<Mike> ok can you help with formula of slope of a x ma line?
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> generating sounds, alerts, trades, etc
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> well, now that we have done all the work to map the data to your local time zone, I guess we could just as easily map it to any time zone
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/qa/a/4.htm
4:51 pm:<Mike> then Christine I could have a color band at bottom of pane to be green, red or grey based on slope i hope
4:51 pm:<subq> that would be good...you guys put all that effort into it, and I think most people "operate" thinking in terms of the market
4:51 pm:<subq> when i look at achart someone posts somewhere, I am thinkking ET
4:51 pm:<subq> it is like a standard of time....like UTC :)
4:51 pm:<Christine2> mike...i need a number to display...e.g. 75 degrees
4:51 pm:<Mike> right
4:51 pm:<Mike> Chad will advise us
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> well...that's relative
4:51 pm:<Mike> I hope
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> degrees
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> take a 75 degree line...and zoom in...it becomes 25 degrees
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> part of our product design was a "world-wide" perspective. We wanted every user to see the data in their own time zone regardless of location
4:52 pm:<Christine2> hmmm....wonder how they have it done then
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> you have to come up with some standard denominator
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> this was not easy because some data vendors send data stamped with NY times, others use GMT, etc.
4:53 pm:<Mike> not sure esig can make bars smaller or wider Cafe
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> slope is just measured as bar to bar change...... $ change per 1 bar
4:53 pm:<jimbrowskii> yes i think that I am able to see thing in Pacific time is great :)
4:53 pm:<subq> Bill, I applaud the effort, I imagine some people like that
4:53 pm:<Christine2> let me look at the chart
4:53 pm:<subq> I'm just saying old traders that look at a lot of different sources outside IRT will be confused
4:53 pm:<subq> :)
4:54 pm:<Christine2> chart gif just says angle of 34 ema
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> well, to do what you want, IRT need to know your "real" timezone and your "desired display" time zone
4:54 pm:<subq> that would work
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> at present, we take the timezone you specify in Setup: Preferences: Sessions
4:55 pm:<subq> i know it would require more programming but it would make sense like you just said
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> and map the data to that local time zone
4:55 pm:<subq> "real timezone", "displayed timezone"
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT must have a million or two lines of code by now subq, so there may be lots of potential side effects, I'll take a look though.
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> you might could take the arc tangent of .....change divided by avg change
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> something along those lines....
4:58 pm:<subq> i can deal with it right now, other traders looking at my charts might be thrown off though :)
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> we have users in the far east time zones and down in Austrialia who pretty much all run their computers on NY time
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> not just for IRT
4:58 pm:<subq> that makes sense though if you can do it
4:59 pm:<subq> if i go to stockcharts.com for example
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> the time shift is what, 12 hours, so the time shifting takes you into another day
4:59 pm:<subq> imagine how confused I would be if they were in everyone's local time
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> we
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> well, IRT handles it
4:59 pm:<Christine2> i am asking now chad....
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> we have an option for those users so they see their data Tuesdays thru Saturdays
4:59 pm:<subq> Bill btw, i saw the tpo/profile stuff is going to be an extra $10
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> since those are the NYSE trading days for them ;-)
4:59 pm:<subq> is that only for standard users? was hoping it would be included in pro
5 pm:<subq> all the other charting software I looked at are starting to include it
5 pm:<subq> granted it isnt as nice as IRT yet, except marketdelta
5 pm:<subq> but ensign and sierra arent charging extra for it
5 pm:<LS_Bill> we have not yet announced an official price increase. $10 to $20 was suggested for planning purposes
5:01 pm:<subq> an increase in price for standard users is understandable :)
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> you don't think IRT is any better than ensign or sierra then you should use those.
5:01 pm:<subq> i think it is better
5:02 pm:<subq> but you cant even compare price of sierra
5:02 pm:<subq> they are like $15/month
5:02 pm:<subq> that is a phenomical little charting package for the price
5:02 pm:<subq> closest competition from my evaluation is ensign
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> well, we're trying to actually pay our programmers a salary here, subq.
5:03 pm:<subq> i can understand that, i have to pay programmers too
5:03 pm:<subq> i like to find the ones that work for a case of mountain dew and pizza
5:03 pm:* subq runs
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> you found one, I work for diet coke and sushi though
5:04 pm:<subq> well you are showing your age then...those punk programmers drink mountain dew :)
5:04 pm:<subq> ok it looks like volume breakdown only works with tick data
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> sure
5:05 pm:<subq> was wondering why my bars looked weird :)
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> hit space bar...it will get tick data
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> I learned to program computers in college in the sixties, you do the math.
5:05 pm:<subq> bill, btw esignal helped a little on the delay in chaging time intervals
5:05 pm:<subq> like going from 5m to 60m or 100t to 300t
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> you said something about marketdelta above...what did you mean by that line?
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> that should be instant, unless a DL is required
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> how much of a delay are you seeing?
5:06 pm:<subq> i meant marketdelta(tm)
5:06 pm:<subq> the software
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> right..what about it
5:06 pm:<subq> i said none of the software I have looked at is as nice as the IRT implentation of such data
5:06 pm:<subq> except marketdelta
5:06 pm:<subq> but they ONLY do that
5:06 pm:<DanielX> even MDs isn't as good
5:07 pm:<subq> so it is to be expected
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> yea....some would beg to differ on that
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> you spent much time using VP charts?
5:07 pm:<DanielX> limited to how you can split it
5:07 pm:<subq> not in IRT, i've been using it for a couple days now :)
5:07 pm:<subq> trying to get all my data feed issues worked out
5:07 pm:<DanielX> surpasses the other guys
5:08 pm:<subq> i will tell you though
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> ok.....I think you'll find I/RT VP charts superior to MD
5:08 pm:<subq> the big thing that made me swing towards I/RT is the VP and market profile stuff
5:08 pm:<DanielX> see anything out there...bring it on baby...different league.
5:08 pm:<subq> not to mention it can send orders to ninjatrader
5:08 pm:<subq> i couldnt live without my ninjatrader
5:09 pm:<DanielX> yeah alsmost ready for fullNT5 chart trading
5:09 pm:<subq> NT6 will be out this summer
5:09 pm:<DanielX> Im running one chart trading into 4 accounts with one click
5:09 pm:<subq> they have done a lot of work on the charting side supposedly
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT and NinjaTrader is coming along. It's a gtreat deal more capable since Daniel started hammering on it and reporting things. Thanks Daniel.
5:09 pm:<DanielX> managing stops/targets scale in/out with one click across all 4 accounts
5:10 pm:<subq> glad to see another NT lover
5:10 pm:<subq> it is fast
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, how did you find out about I/RT VP & TPO charts?
5:10 pm:<subq> the past 2 months I have evaluated just about every charting package out there :)
5:10 pm:<DanielX> yeah It's the least I can do Bill for the cost of everthing else were getting with IRT
5:10 pm:<subq> I/RT was one of them
5:11 pm:<subq> i didn't know it had the VP/TPO but when I saw that, that is kind of what sold me
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> well...if you evaluate everything..and settle on I/RT...let us know...we'll get you on testimonials page ;)
5:11 pm:<subq> to have one charting platform is a big plus
5:12 pm:<subq> instead of having something that will do marketprofile, marketdelta, etc etc....
5:12 pm:<DanielX> hey tahts an honour...they didn't even ask me to write something for that page :-(
5:12 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:12 pm:<subq> only thing I would like to see on the marketprofile...which is probably there
5:12 pm:<subq> is some drawing stuff
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> you can have MD for $70, or you can have I/RT for less...which does MD better than MD, and a whole world of additional stuff
5:12 pm:<subq> i am trading a method that looks at POCs historically
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> it's there
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> TPO indicator
5:13 pm:<subq> and I wouldnt mind having lines drawn for them to see where the current day touches
5:13 pm:<DanielX> same here
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/videos/
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> see the "TPO Indicator" video
5:13 pm:<subq> Chad, yeah cut can i extend those lines
5:13 pm:<subq> i watched the TPO indicator
5:13 pm:<subq> im looking at a chart right now with it
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> extend them...where?
5:13 pm:<subq> the dotted lines for previous days
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> to right of chart
5:14 pm:<subq> i would like to extend them until they touch another price
5:14 pm:<subq> using them as key untouched POC
5:14 pm:<subq> so for example if todays price range hits yesterdays POC I need to back in days
5:15 pm:<subq> until I find a POC that todays price range isnt it
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> well...
5:15 pm:<subq> then that POC line comes all the way up and I can use it as support/resistance line
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> might want to move over to the "Profiles Indicator"
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> in which all previous POC's can be extended to the right of chart
5:15 pm:<DanielX> yeah u need a reg TPO chart of 10 days of so and scroll back as the market moves
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> doesn't eliminate them however when they are hit
5:15 pm:<DanielX> of=or
5:16 pm:<subq> would be nice to have them stop when they hit something
5:16 pm:<subq> like a brick wall kind of thing so only untouched go all the way across
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> are those "naked pocs"?
5:16 pm:<subq> yeah
5:16 pm:<DanielX> well my next idea is a chart that displays only the last 5 to 10 POCs historically and where price is in relation
5:16 pm:<subq> people call them dif things
5:17 pm:<subq> michael calls them virgon POCs
5:17 pm:<DanielX> so it's a narrow chart with no bars/candles
5:17 pm:<subq> he has a ton of stuff about it on his webpage
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> it might be possible, in TPO charts...to have an option to extend all naked POCs to right edge of chart
5:17 pm:<subq> i have seen them called naked POC, untouched POC, etc etc...
5:17 pm:<DanielX> Ill send you a pic of what I mean Chad
5:17 pm:<DanielX> gimme a sec
5:18 pm:<subq> they are strong points of support resistance
5:18 pm:<subq> Michael Jardine creates something he calls the natrual trading rance for each day based on the upper and lower virgin POC
5:18 pm:<subq> s/rance/range/
5:21 pm:<LS_Chad> how far back does he look...as far as needed I guess?
5:21 pm:<subq> yep
5:21 pm:<subq> nakedtrader wrote something about looking real far back as well
5:21 pm:<subq> i mean more than a week
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> so 57.50 from yesterday is virgin/naked
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> wait...nevermind
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> we hit it today
5:22 pm:<subq> well i dont know how to do it in I/RT yet :)
5:22 pm:<DanielX> right
5:22 pm:<DanielX> dump long and get short
5:23 pm:<subq> enthios actually wrote some I/RT chart data last year
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> 37.50 from 6/15
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> 6/14
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> "wrote some I/RT chart data"?
5:23 pm:<subq> http://www.enthios.com/charts/universal-rev.htm
5:23 pm:<subq> chart definitions sorry
5:23 pm:<subq> at the bottom
5:24 pm:<DanielX> he used IRT on his Mac alptop but went back to Ensign when it didn't run well for him
5:24 pm:<DanielX> *laptop
5:24 pm:<subq> those templates are old though
5:24 pm:<subq> i may try to tweak them
5:24 pm:<subq> i like the strategy...i like to combine it with volume profiles though
5:24 pm:<subq> to help confirm movement
5:25 pm:<DanielX> tried to tell me that IRT XP ran better in Virtual PC emulation than IRT OSX ran antively...what a load of bull pucky
5:25 pm:<subq> heh
5:25 pm:<subq> i'm not big on macs...but hey that's me
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpoZoom.jpg
5:25 pm:<subq> they did do one thing right...they went to a freebsd core
5:25 pm:<subq> and i love freebsd
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> if you look at our TPO charts in that fashion (3 pixel boxes)
5:26 pm:<subq> solid tcp/ip
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> can get a pretty good indication of naked pocs
5:26 pm:<subq> Chad, yep
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> we use bsd tcp/ip on OS X
5:26 pm:<subq> so now if they naked ones extend
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> that was a change I made AFTER michael worked with us
5:26 pm:<subq> the
5:27 pm:<DanielX> right
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> so naked VA not important?
5:27 pm:<subq> MACs tcp/ip stack was garbage
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> so he has not seen the latest OS X implementation. it's a lot faster today, plus it now runs on intel hardware under OS X
5:27 pm:<DanielX> nope Chad
5:27 pm:<DanielX> the secrat to it all is the POC
5:27 pm:<subq> it could be important...someone would have to test :)
5:27 pm:<DanielX> secret*
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> for a long time we used the Mac tcp/ip stack (called Open Transport) and it was not so good.
5:28 pm:<subq> would also be nice to see volume POC vs price POC though
5:28 pm:<DanielX> back from 0s* days
5:28 pm:<DanielX> OS8
5:28 pm:<DanielX> we have that
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> right
5:28 pm:<DanielX> POCv vs POC
5:28 pm:<DanielX> v=volume
5:28 pm:<subq> Bill so you guys are MAC shop, glad you made a PC product...though those lines are starting to blur these days thankfully
5:28 pm:<DanielX> almost gone
5:29 pm:<subq> DanielX you trade fulltime?
5:29 pm:<DanielX> yes
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> we are a "cross platform" shop.
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5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, we have optino to show POC (& VA) based on volume
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> either or both
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT for OS X and Win XP are built from the same core source code
5:30 pm:<subq> the only reason I chose I/RT was because they have weekly chats on irc ...used to be an oper ;)
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't think I'll put that on the testimonials page ;-)
5:30 pm:<subq> yeah i have a lot to read through on the TPO/VP stuff
5:31 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:31 pm:<LS_Chad> watch the videos
5:31 pm:<subq> ive watched mostof them
5:31 pm:<subq> need to watch them again though now that i am getting I/RT to run correctly...or I should say geting my way around in it better
5:32 pm:<subq> i need to get a chart setup with that tpoZoom like you posted Chad
5:33 pm:<DanielX> Bill...will we have an updated "Change" leave QTY alone TO today or tommorrow?
5:33 pm:<subq> the green is the POC blue is VA?
5:33 pm:<subq> what is red?
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> soon daniel
5:34 pm:<DanielX> the second it's compiled a let me know
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpoExtendedPOC.jpg
5:34 pm:<DanielX> finger on mouse for download
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> there's chart will all POCs extended
5:34 pm:<subq> yep so if those stop when they hit a price, that's it
5:35 pm:<subq> DanielX i think the strategy is similar to what some other guys are doing with single prints
5:35 pm:<subq> in market profile
5:35 pm:<subq> they call single prints key areas
5:36 pm:<DanielX> woah...how many do you need!
5:36 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:36 pm:<subq> that chart chad posted shows the market profile nicely too
5:36 pm:<subq> i like that
5:36 pm:<DanielX> many of those can be grouped into the "one"
5:36 pm:<DanielX> 5/10/20 day TPO chart
5:37 pm:<subq> yeah up towards the top, you can see how difficultit would be to figure out which one is naked
5:37 pm:<subq> since it goes through the price
5:39 pm:<DanielX> Chad I thing it would be good for you to do a CBOT presentation on IRT's TPO/MP capabilities once or if Linnsoft decides to License Market Profile
5:39 pm:<DanielX> *think
5:40 pm:<DanielX> the website will keep it available for people to watch in streaming off their website...there are many there right now about all kinds of trading strategies 3rd party software products etc
5:41 pm:<subq> URL?
5:42 pm:<DanielX> somehwere on the cbot site in educational section
5:42 pm:<DanielX> online seminars
5:42 pm:<DanielX> etc
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpoNakedPOCRemoved.jpg
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5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> how's that look?
5:43 pm:<subq> looks good
5:44 pm:<subq> enthious is showing an NTR of 1243.50 to 1253.25 so that looks right on
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5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...should I just make that default behavior...or an option?
5:45 pm:<subq> i guess his calculations are a little diff
5:45 pm:<subq> an option that you can toggle on off
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> well..can toggle on/off the POCs already
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> and can toggle on off / lines in general
5:46 pm:<subq> i guess his 6/15 wasnt as low as the one on your chart
5:46 pm:<subq> he brought that one across
5:46 pm:<LS_Chad> but need another option on whether the lines will stretch until hit...or just stretch to new day?
5:46 pm:<subq> if it was an option called nPOC or something
5:46 pm:<subq> for naked
5:46 pm:<subq> or untouched
5:47 pm:<LS_Chad> so he's got the 6/13 poc as naked?
5:47 pm:<subq> not sure why
5:47 pm:<subq> http://www.enthios.com/blogs/esblog.htm NTR for wednesday
5:47 pm:<subq> it doesnt have to be exactly like enthios's :)
5:47 pm:<LS_Chad> 45.25 is the POC, right?
5:48 pm:<subq> that 43.5 POC doesnt look that virgin to me on your chart
5:48 pm:<subq> i see print two or 3 below it
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> looks like his POC is lower
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I"ve got 45.25, he's got 43.50
5:48 pm:<subq> bad calculation i'm sure, since it is ensign
5:48 pm:<subq> which calls that price histogram
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> 43.50 is naked/virgin
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> this is turning into an x-rated chat
5:49 pm:<DanielX> ha!
5:49 pm:<subq> everything in computers is x-rated
5:49 pm:<LS_Chad> is he using volume-based?
5:49 pm:<subq> finger me
5:49 pm:<subq> touch newfile
5:49 pm:<subq> fsck /ad0
5:49 pm:<subq> etc etc...
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> you've been around unix for awhile subq?
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> he using Vol-based POC
5:50 pm:<subq> a long while :)
5:50 pm:<DanielX> dont worry about ensign...they are using some substandard MP price histogram thingy...terrible from what I have seen
5:50 pm:<subq> DanielX i dont think it is real MP
5:50 pm:<LS_Chad> but it's $15/month ;)
5:50 pm:<DanielX> right
5:50 pm:<subq> that's why they called if price histogram
5:50 pm:<DanielX> its not
5:50 pm:<subq> sierra is $15/month ensign is $49 :)
5:51 pm:<DanielX> right form Clyde Lee
5:51 pm:<LS_Chad> ah
5:51 pm:<DanielX> alot of what is out there is fake MP
5:52 pm:<tuna> yep
5:52 pm:<subq> http://www.sierrachart.com/discus/messages/2/4801.html
5:52 pm:<subq> that's sierra's early attempt at it
5:52 pm:<subq> they are trying to implement initial balance
5:53 pm:<subq> which a lot of people are using initial balance 2x initial balance, etc etc...
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> yea, we've got IB built in...along with up to 3 multiples of IB
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> all optional
5:53 pm:<tuna> the ensign thing seem to be enthios's idea of MP
5:54 pm:<DanielX> fast food MP
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> biggie fries with that?
5:54 pm:<subq> the ensign thing was done just for enthios i believe
5:54 pm:<subq> not nec. his idea of it
5:54 pm:<DanielX> I've spent 3 years 8 to 15 hours a day watching MP/TPO charts develop live
5:54 pm:<DanielX> lol
5:54 pm:<DanielX> Bill
5:54 pm:<subq> not sure why ensign called it price histogram
5:55 pm:<tuna> MP is copyrighted
5:55 pm:<subq> right
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> licening issue with CBOT
5:55 pm:<DanielX> because they werwe afraid to call it MP because the Cbot owns the Market Profile name
5:55 pm:<subq> i think that was the best that ensign could do :)
5:55 pm:<DanielX> and Clyde Lee's MP is off
5:55 pm:<subq> without running into issues
5:55 pm:<DanielX> its not really MP
5:56 pm:<tuna> never saw that one
5:56 pm:<DanielX> just an average of price ranges
5:56 pm:<subq> is I/RT paying licensing to CBOT?
5:56 pm:<subq> i havent read about all that
5:56 pm:<subq> some companies like to get into that...i.e. the whole TT thing suing everybody for DOM and price laddres
5:56 pm:<tuna> irt doesnt have MP
5:56 pm:<subq> they won too :)
5:57 pm:<DanielX> thats a mess and the judge should be disbarred for that decision
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> no, we don't use the MP trade name either
5:57 pm:<tuna> its tpo
5:57 pm:<subq> DanielX and us static DOME users have to pay .10 per side now
5:57 pm:<subq> that goes back to TT
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> but I'm considering it, that one of the reasons for the price increase comtemplated
5:58 pm:<DanielX> I knw...I went Dynamic and use the chart to trade off of..the Dynamic dome is horrible to use on 3 accounts
5:58 pm:<subq> i just found a broker that does me a all inclusive rate
5:58 pm:<subq> it is a bit high but low enough for me i guess
5:58 pm:<subq> 4.85 round turn no other fees
5:58 pm:<DanielX> thats ok
5:58 pm:<DanielX> thats good
5:58 pm:<tuna> not bad imo
5:59 pm:<subq> that is ninjatrader, static dome with Zen feed
5:59 pm:<DanielX> ahh
5:59 pm:<DanielX> good price
5:59 pm:<subq> very good
5:59 pm:<mptrading> Just use TT and stop bashing them for their patent. LOL
5:59 pm:<subq> TT feed was cheaper
5:59 pm:<tuna> sounds good
5:59 pm:<DanielX> he eats the 10 cents
5:59 pm:<DanielX> but
5:59 pm:<subq> mptrading it is a great way to trade
5:59 pm:<DanielX> are you connected to NT5's servers to check your trades?
6 pm:<DanielX> Ididnt want anything to bog me down
6 pm:<DanielX> no spy ware server checks etc
6 pm:<mptrading> what is a great way to Trade ?
6 pm:<subq> via the DOME :)
6 pm:<mptrading> LOL
6 pm:<DanielX> buy when it goes up and sell when it goes down
6 pm:<DanielX> no guess work
6 pm:<mptrading> I have been using TT for 3.5 years now
6:01 pm:<subq> not me i am fairly new to futures
6:01 pm:<subq> i day traded equities about 10 years ago
6:01 pm:<subq> then it has been options
6:02 pm:<subq> so the DOM is new to me, but it sure is fast :)
6:02 pm:<DanielX> ok fellas I need to get away for a few hours incase I have more beta tests to run tonight
6:02 pm:<DanielX> talk again soon
6:02 pm:<DanielX> ciao
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6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> me too. any final questions for me?
6:03 pm:<subq> nope
6:03 pm:<LS_Chad> good night everyone
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice evening everyone
6:03 pm:<tuna> when is the merger?
6:03 pm:<Christine2> night
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6:04 pm:<subq> i have to head out as well
6:04 pm:<LS_Chad> no merger
6:04 pm:<LS_Chad> sorry
6:04 pm:<tuna> dang
6:04 pm:<Christine2> i'll be dreaming angles and slope tonight...lol
6:04 pm:<subq> who was the merger going to be with?
6:04 pm:<tuna> lol
6:04 pm:<tuna> i was kidding
6:04 pm:<subq> Chad, on a VP chart
6:04 pm:<LS_Chad> y
6:05 pm:<subq> it seems to be kind of cramped
6:05 pm:<subq> i guess you can scroll left?
6:05 pm:<LS_Chad> shift up/down arrow
6:05 pm:<tuna> its a buy out
6:05 pm:<subq> ok
6:05 pm:<LS_Chad> cramped vertically?
6:05 pm:<LS_Chad> or hor?
6:05 pm:<Christine2> no no...tuna....no buy out
6:05 pm:<tuna> lol
6:05 pm:<subq> hor
6:06 pm:<Christine2> irt better stay this way forever
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> check prefs...might have "custom width" turne don
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> change to "automatic"
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> that's the plan Christine
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/profiles/vp/index.htm
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> that page has all you need to know on VP charts subq
6:06 pm:<Christine2> whew
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> gotta run...have a good evening
6:07 pm:<subq> thx
6:07 pm:<Christine2> bye
6:08 pm:<mptrading> chad
6:08 pm:<mptrading> can I e-mail you the log ? for that example ?
6:09 pm:<mptrading> I will highlight the discrepancy on it
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6:20 pm:<LS_Chad> sure mp
6:21 pm:<mptrading> saw the game ? 2 x 2
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