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4:32 pm:*** Gayle has joined us
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> hello
4:34 pm:<fcat> hi Bill
4:34 pm:<fcat> any word on my goofy charts ?
4:34 pm:<tuna_> hi bill
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> hi fcat, yes in fact
4:34 pm:<fcat> or were you hoping I forgot ?
4:34 pm:<fcat> sweet
4:34 pm:<fcat> ;-)
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> chad chased down a bug just yesterday, and I think it may have been at the root of the problem you have had
4:35 pm:<fcat> outstanding
4:35 pm:<tuna_> is beta 10 ready?
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> beta 10?
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT is not in beta ;-)
4:35 pm:<jimbrowskii> lol
4:35 pm:<tuna_> revision
4:35 pm:<DanielX> moderator boot that smart alec
4:35 pm:<DanielX> lol
4:36 pm:<fcat> hehe
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.3.9 is current, we plan a 8.4 (or maybe call it 8.3.10)
4:36 pm:<tuna_> chad said it would be ready soon
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> we've never had a rev 10 before
4:36 pm:<DanielX> yeah this aft
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> I may have to release it as 8.4.0 rather than 8.3.10
4:37 pm:<DanielX> never had so many peeps pushing or involved in beta and enhancement requests and what not.
4:37 pm:<Gayle> i have a general computer question...what is the minumum room temperature needed for a computer?
4:37 pm:<DanielX> heyhey Gayle!
4:37 pm:<Gayle> if the room temp is over 80 degrees could that cause computer to overheat?
4:37 pm:<Gayle> hey daniel
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't think so Gayle
4:37 pm:<fcat> 80 a little warm imo
4:38 pm:<fcat> but not extreme by any means
4:38 pm:<DanielX> Gayle mine runs at 50 celsuis...nohiccup
4:38 pm:<Gayle> your room temp is 50 celcius?
4:38 pm:<DanielX> no just the chip
4:39 pm:<DanielX> room about 78 Ithink
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> computers run at 50 C or even higher right?
4:39 pm:<DanielX> 50 is about what it should be
4:39 pm:<DanielX> and that a hot chip
4:39 pm:<DanielX> *thats
4:40 pm:<Gayle> i do not know what the computer temp is but my computer had been shutting off out of nowhere but i could restart immediately
4:40 pm:<Gayle> trying to figure out the problem
4:40 pm:<Gayle> someone said it could be the computer overheating when it just shuts off suddenly
4:41 pm:<DanielX> yes I though so too
4:41 pm:<DanielX> but at 50 degrees is should not shut off...
4:41 pm:<DanielX> my problem turned out to be the power supply
4:41 pm:<Gayle> but i do not know the computer temp
4:41 pm:<DanielX> as well as a few others ai fixed
4:41 pm:<Gayle> how do i find out the computer temp
4:42 pm:<DanielX> get a free app called motherboard monitor
4:42 pm:<tuna_> could be loaded with dust
4:42 pm:<krunch> have bug ---- bar chart, volume breakdown --- market delta study --- seems to lose sell side of study when ya change periodicity sometimes
4:42 pm:<tuna_> and that would cuase the overheat shut down
4:42 pm:<fcat> aaaah...southern baptists
4:43 pm:<fcat> sorry
4:43 pm:<DanielX> mine was going off and on for a year...tried to fix it by changing one thing at a time and finally only the power supply change fixed the sudden shut down
4:43 pm:<Gayle> yes there was a lot of dust in the fan and i cleaned it out - has not shut off since but it has not been as hot
4:43 pm:<fcat> agree Dan
4:43 pm:<fcat> sounds like power supply issue
4:43 pm:<Gayle> ok thanks
4:44 pm:<tuna_> clean all the fins too,,,blow out the p/s too
4:45 pm:<tuna_> they get loaded with dust too
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> so fcat, I'll be very interested to see if next release eliminates that one minute chart problem at the open
4:45 pm:<krunch> oh, while there blow off mother board
4:45 pm:<fcat> restarts ok after it shuts down gayle?
4:45 pm:<krunch> but dont blow around hard drive or dvd drives
4:45 pm:<Gayle> yes it does restart right away after it shuts down
4:46 pm:<fcat> ok
4:46 pm:<DanielX> yeah same as mne
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> krunch, report that bug to chad@linnsoft.com
4:46 pm:<DanielX> I tried dust removal,memory change,HD wipe and install...power supply was the last thing...not a problem since
4:47 pm:*** chard has left
4:47 pm:<Gayle> ok thanks
4:47 pm:<fcat> would be my 1st guess anyway
4:47 pm:<fcat> had similar issue
4:47 pm:<fcat> was p/s
4:47 pm:<tuna_> a bad p/s can kill a mobo
4:48 pm:*** Duke has joined us
4:48 pm:<fcat> on a relatively new pc
4:48 pm:<Duke> Afternoon All...:-)
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> hi Duke
4:48 pm:<Duke> Hi Bill
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> subq, I've been doing some work on screen shots in IRT
4:49 pm:<subq> did you get my email today?
4:49 pm:<Gayle> so if i do not replace the power supply i could kill the motherboard??
4:49 pm:<subq> my programmer thinks much less work if we do http post
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> in windows version you can now screen shot any window, no longer just charts
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> sounds good
4:50 pm:<tuna_> if its a bad p/s yes gayle
4:50 pm:<Gayle> bill i had a problem when i tried to cancel printing a chart it crashed my computer
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> the new image capture I added eliminates some of the problems we've had with IRT chart screen shots before
4:50 pm:<Gayle> i think there is a problem with printing directly from IRT if you cancel the print job
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> at present it create a bmp file
4:50 pm:<subq> it does do png right?
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm lookingfor the code to produce a png from a bmp
4:51 pm:<tuna_> wrecks the bios,,,,then poof,, mobo is toast
4:51 pm:<DanielX> do a google for Snag it serial
4:51 pm:<subq> is snagit payware?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> I want C code daniel, not a product.
4:51 pm:<subq> i forget
4:51 pm:<DanielX> yes
4:51 pm:<Gayle> i have snagit so i can work around this but i just wanted to report the problem
4:51 pm:<DanielX> I know Bill that wasn't for you
4:51 pm:<Gayle> not a big deal because of snagit
4:52 pm:<subq> just FYI for free screen capture utitilty
4:52 pm:<subq> http://www.gadwin.com/printscreen/
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> we're thinking about a feature in IRT to one click an imagine up to a web site
4:52 pm:<subq> works pretty good
4:52 pm:<DanielX> let me try a google
4:52 pm:<DanielX> ahh like Ensign does
4:52 pm:<DanielX> that wouldbenice
4:52 pm:<subq> but better than ensign of course :)
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> one click an image of a chart, quotepage, whatever
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> of course ;-)
4:53 pm:<Duke> will you be able to set the graphic size etc Bill?
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> the size of the image is a function of the size of window at present
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4:54 pm:<subq> the resizing can actually be built into the web frontend
4:54 pm:<Duke> OK as I dump stuff to our internal site and that is a nice feature otherwise it destroys your layouts
4:54 pm:<subq> it generates a thumbnail and a smaller image
4:54 pm:<Gayle> hey Bill have you tried Ninja trader on the new mac...can the new macs run any PC app?
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> NinjaTrader requires MS Windows
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> so it only works with the Windows version of I/RT
4:55 pm:<Gayle> so some PC apps can work on the new mac but a lot will not work?
4:55 pm:<DanielX> we will have to wait until OS X Leoplard before we find out just how a c app will run on OS X
4:55 pm:<Gayle> is this Chad's last week at IRT?
4:56 pm:<DanielX> Leopard*
4:56 pm:<DanielX> PC*
4:56 pm:<DanielX> I will try to run NT5 on OS X ofcourse
4:56 pm:<tuna_> bill could you change screen shots to .gif format?
4:56 pm:<DanielX> we'll see in a few months
4:57 pm:<Duke> Excuse my Mac ignorance but will Leopard also be a 64 bit platform or is the mac 64 bit enabled now?
4:57 pm:<subq> tuna_ i think png files are the best format to use personally
4:57 pm:<subq> even for a PC
4:57 pm:<DanielX> png and tiff
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> Chad is changing roles, we will have more to say about it in July
4:58 pm:<tuna_> theyre not secure
4:58 pm:<Gayle> ok
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> Apple did alot with 64 bit powerpc but at present they are 32 bit intel
4:59 pm:<DanielX> yeah
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> they may introduce 64 bit in their servers
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4:59 pm:<DanielX> very few apps will benefit from 64bit
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm not sure about leopard's content
4:59 pm:<krunch> well, hope you are going to start letting him have a day off now and them
4:59 pm:<DanielX> most will slow down
5 pm:<Duke> I have only two that are 64 bit ready now ...most the problem lies in the support apps for them
5 pm:<LS_Bill> chad gets weekends off ;-)
5 pm:<DanielX> u run them on AMD 64 with XP PRO 64?
5:01 pm:<Duke> Bill, now that you are starting to segregate the platforms will tabbed windows be considered?
5:01 pm:<subq> tuna_ secure?
5:01 pm:<Duke> Not running them yet as the support apps for them are still on 32 bit
5:01 pm:<DanielX> ohhh tabbed charts!
5:01 pm:<tuna_> yes secure
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> what gave you the idea we are segregating platforms?
5:02 pm:<Duke> floating windows etc...:-)
5:02 pm:<subq> LS_Bill
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> well, that was a feature that was not needed in the Mac world
5:02 pm:<tuna_> .png is best viewed quickly then closed
5:02 pm:<subq> source code - http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/
5:02 pm:<subq> that will export into png and any other format
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> I found a way to implement it in the windows version
5:03 pm:<tuna_> thank goodness
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> like floating windows tuna?
5:03 pm:<Duke> so tabbed windows out or in? lol
5:03 pm:<tuna_> yes sir
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> tabbed windows are a function of XVT
5:03 pm:<subq> but it may have some other hooks
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5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> XVT has them and we have used them in a few places
5:03 pm:<DanielX> Bill try to get the OS X F9/10/11 window control in IRT for XP and you have something ;-)
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> e.g. the custom column setup window
5:04 pm:<tuna_> 98% of pcs are windoz so i think a few others like it too
5:04 pm:<Duke> I will switch to the mac if you can put them in!! lol
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> what window do you want to tab duke? the quotepage?
5:04 pm:<DanielX> hehe
5:04 pm:<Duke> Charts
5:04 pm:<DanielX> charts
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> or chart
5:04 pm:<Duke> bingo!
5:05 pm:<Duke> we have a winner
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> my answer to "tabs" is the "change periodicity" buttons
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> in their own button pane at the top
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> they look just like tabs and work well as you "tab" from one periodicity to another
5:05 pm:<Gayle> i still wish we had a layout that could stay open in the background and bring different layouts to the front without having to close and reopen charts
5:05 pm:<Duke> Bill I am the king of buttons as you know but I would like to be able to tab through windows instead of opening numerous charts or whole layouts
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> you can gayle
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> set the prefs gayle so that opening a layout does not closes existing windows
5:06 pm:<DanielX> Bill have you added TPO charts to that capability?
5:06 pm:<Gayle> so for example if you had a set up with different time frame charts for the russell and a different setup for the ES you could bring them to the front all at once without changing the layout of the chart
5:06 pm:<DanielX> that was holding a few of us back
5:07 pm:<Gayle> but how do you toggle back and forth between layouts
5:07 pm:<Gayle> i do not want several layouts
5:07 pm:<Gayle> i want to go back and forth between 2 or 3 layouts
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, we do not have a toggle layout feature
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> we only have an open layout
5:08 pm:<Duke> I have 12 charts of the S&P 1500 and the various indicators associated with it... the buttons for the layouts less the back and forth as Gayle states is a royal pain
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> so basically, you have to close all windows and open a new layout
5:08 pm:<Gayle> right ....that is something I have been wanting for a few years now
5:08 pm:<Duke> multiply the 12 by 25 sectors and 200 industry groups... and you get the picture
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't understand what you are trying to eliminate here?
5:08 pm:<Gayle> i want a layout that stays open and can go back and forth between layouts without closing or adding new layouts each time
5:09 pm:<fcat> once again...the ever elusive screen real estate
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> to change layouts from layout A to B you have to close the A windows and open the B
5:09 pm:<Duke> you dont switch stuff aroound much do you Bill...lol
5:09 pm:<Gayle> i want continuous data on the charts and want a layout of all Russell charts and layout of all ES charts that I can bring to the front when i want
5:09 pm:<Gayle> immediately
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> so what's IRT doing that is not to your liking
5:10 pm:<Gayle> correct
5:10 pm:<Gayle> takes too much time to download data
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> so it's just a matter of leaving all the windows open, but bringing some group of windows to the front?
5:10 pm:<Gayle> want everything open and just back and forth
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> ok
5:10 pm:<Gayle> yes
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> now I understand
5:10 pm:<Gayle> ok thanks
5:10 pm:<DanielX> logging out and willbe on the mac in a sec
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> so what's needed is a way to define a "group" of windows
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5:10 pm:<subq> i need to figure out why my I/Rt basically locks up for 30 seconds when i change periods in a chart
5:11 pm:<Gayle> yes keeping the same layout
5:11 pm:<subq> im sureit has something to do with accessing the data
5:11 pm:<subq> if i keep windows open it runs fine
5:11 pm:<subq> when i change the periodi get a hang
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5:11 pm:<Gayle> and define a group of windows as a layout that can be brought to the front without opening or closing any charts
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> subq, mark symbols for intra-day, turn off automatic downloading.
5:11 pm:<Gayle> so now i hide charts with a little bit of the chart showing so i can click on it and bring to the front
5:12 pm:<subq> LS_Chad since you are the TPO man can you add the ability to toggle the TPO letters on/off and leave just volume?
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> thereafter, switching periodicity will be instant
5:12 pm:<subq> LS_Bill I did that
5:12 pm:<Gayle> could be a better easier way
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> subq I need to see your chart setup so I can see why it may be taking so long to calculate.
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, I"m sure it has to do with what indicators you have in the chart, and the view period of chart
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> send me the chart definition and I'll take a look
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> export it and eamil it to support
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> do you have the Volume Breakdown indicator in the chart?
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> how many days is the chart set to show?
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> gayle, maybe a new button purpose called "bring group to front"
5:13 pm:<subq> it will do it with any and all charts :)
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> where you specify the name of a group of chart objects
5:13 pm:<Daniel> Menu button
5:13 pm:<Daniel> or
5:14 pm:<Duke> http://www.rebelresearch.com/Reports/TabLayout.png
5:14 pm:<Gayle> sure I love the buttons
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT will simply bring each window in the group to the front
5:14 pm:<Daniel> a list of layouts in a menu
5:14 pm:<Duke> Gayle something like this?
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, this could be a menu button
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> DTN or eSignal subq?
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> with a list of group names
5:14 pm:<Duke> just seeing if were talking the same thing
5:14 pm:<subq> LS_Chad i tried both :)
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> if with DTN, it could be due to a download (if you have auto-downloading turned on)
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> otherwise, it has to do with what I said above
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, duke, it could look similar to that, but using buttons rather than tabs
5:15 pm:<Gayle> well i am not sure what the tabs do in your shot Duke but I want to be able to bring a group of charts to the front in the same order (layout)
5:16 pm:<subq> it has to be something with how it accesses the data file
5:16 pm:<subq> because even when i open a new chart like my TPO chart
5:16 pm:<Gayle> what is the difference between the tabs in your shot Duke and the windows tabs when you have a chart minimized?
5:16 pm:<subq> it will say loading data forever
5:16 pm:<Duke> each tab is a set independantly
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> how many days are you showing in the TPO chart
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> each button is setup independently
5:16 pm:<subq> i was only showing 7
5:17 pm:<subq> trying to show more if it wasnt lagging though
5:17 pm:<Gayle> i like the button idea
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> it's loading 7 days of tick data..and processing all that data into the tpo chart
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> assuming you have 7 days of ticks
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> and you probably do...or maybe much more
5:17 pm:<Duke> but you can quickly run through a set of indicators, a group of stocks etc
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> duke, we do this now with buttons
5:17 pm:<Duke> I use the buttons now it is not the same
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> run thru a group of indicators, run thru a group of tickers
5:18 pm:<Duke> I guess I am the only one who uses it for numerous charts
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> the only difference I see between the tabs in your picutre and the buttons in an IRT chart...
5:18 pm:<subq> so what else you want me to export
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> is that the tabs look like they have a scrollbar
5:18 pm:<subq> aside from the chart definition?
5:19 pm:<Duke> There are a lot of differences but I am alone in this I think so I will drop it
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> subq just export the chart, IRT will export the related objects
5:19 pm:<Gayle> so Duke are your tabs set up so that it will bring say 5 charts in a particular layout to the front?
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> File: Export: Chart Definition
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, if you right now download 20 days of 1-minute data...that will replace your tick data...and the chart will probably open instantly
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> I can add a new button type to IRT that will take a group name and bring the charts in that group to the front
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> this will give you "layout" switching you're after
5:20 pm:<Daniel> yes would be good
5:20 pm:<Duke> you could have a layout of for example of 10 charts and each chart can have have as many tabs as you want
5:20 pm:<subq> dont i need tick data?
5:20 pm:<subq> for tpo charts
5:20 pm:<Daniel> ER/ES/YM/NQ/E$
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> keeping so much tick data on file....forces the tpo chart to process all that tick data...in order to get the accurate volume numbers at each price...and results in the slowness at opening
5:20 pm:<Gayle> thanks Bill that would be great
5:20 pm:<Duke> I already do that with shortcuts etc
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> you don't have to have tick data for tpo charts
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> all you will have to do is take a minute tosetup the groups and assign the charts to the groups
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> you do if you want 100% accurate volume bars
5:20 pm:<Duke> Bill, its a different use
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> but the profile itself will be exactly same with 1-min or tick
5:20 pm:<Duke> not sure how to explain
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> and will open in a fraction of the time
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> a different use?
5:21 pm:<LS_Chad> you might just keep around a day or 2 of tick data.....so you'll have accurate VP charts and volume bars for last 2 days
5:21 pm:<LS_Chad> setup: prefs: historical is where you control how much is retained
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5:22 pm:<Daniel> I keep 20 days of ticks but show only 3 to 5 max in a TPO chart
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> I'm downloading 60 days of ticks on ES now, just to see how long it takes to open a tpo chart after
5:22 pm:<Daniel> no problems
5:22 pm:<subq> yeah it has to be something on my setup
5:22 pm:<subq> because even when i just open a candle bar chart
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> and again, I would recommend just keeping the charts open
5:22 pm:<subq> it takes a long time
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> if it takes so long to open them
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> just minimize, restore
5:22 pm:<subq> keeping the charts open is fine until i try to change the period :)
5:23 pm:<Duke> I will punt for now..
5:23 pm:<subq> Daniel you have pretty powerful machine?
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> 4th and 10 duke
5:23 pm:<subq> im wondering if i am falling behind...P4-2.8 though
5:23 pm:<subq> 1GB ram with RAID10 drives
5:23 pm:<Daniel> nah
5:23 pm:<Daniel> thast fine
5:23 pm:<Daniel> I have a 3.0ghz HT and barely hit 50%
5:24 pm:<Duke> ok one last goal attempt... in my screen shot..you see the tabs as buttons... I see them as a way to more buttons each with different uses.. does that makes sense?
5:25 pm:<Duke> each tab takes you to a layout with each chart having different sets of buttons or whatever... it multiplies your screen space without opening or shutting layouts etc
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> duke, if you click on a tab in your example, does it just replace the window having the tab with new content, just that one window?
5:26 pm:<Duke> it can or it can be a whole new layout
5:26 pm:<Gayle> so Duke the only difference to me is that you want say maybe 20 different layouts
5:26 pm:<Duke> or it can be the same symbol with new indicators etc
5:26 pm:<Gayle> instead of maybe just 2 or 3 layouts
5:27 pm:<Duke> not exactly
5:28 pm:<Duke> I have 25 layouts now for just sector alone
5:28 pm:<Duke> If I had tabs I would have 1 layout
5:29 pm:<Duke> maybe I will make a video when I get a minute and send it to you.. this horse is close to dying...lol
5:30 pm:<Daniel> lol
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> good idea Duke, you did that last time and the quotepage browser was born
5:30 pm:<Gayle> so Bill do you think that tab layout would be in the next release?
5:30 pm:<Gayle> or will it take a while to do?
5:30 pm:<Duke> I like Gayles thinking...lol
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT will not have "tabs" anytime soon
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> but a button for bringing a set of windows to the front is easy to do
5:31 pm:<Gayle> sorry i meant button for layouts
5:31 pm:<Duke> damn,,,,lol
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> also, I should do a show/hide group
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> so you could click to show some group of charts (bring them to the front) or send them to the back to hide them
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe that would be useful in some contexts
5:32 pm:<Gayle> that would be great Bill ... just wondering if it will take time to do or would be done
5:32 pm:<Gayle> yes that is what I would like
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe in a week or two Gayle, not in this next little update.
5:32 pm:<subq> LS_Chad werent sure if you were here...when I asked...in the next version can you add a toggle in TPO charts to turn off the price and only have volume there?
5:32 pm:<Gayle> ok
5:32 pm:<Gayle> thanks
5:33 pm:<tuna_> little update?
5:33 pm:<Duke> ...but if you had tabs you would have to save groups of charts...you only have to save 1
5:33 pm:<Duke> just an idea...lol
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> what chad called 8.3.10
5:33 pm:<Duke> wouldn't have to save groups is what I meant
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> it may have to be numbered 8.4.0 after all, Chad.
5:34 pm:<Gayle> i would be curious to see your video Duke .. I am not sure I understand what you want
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> so the auto update feature works okay
5:34 pm:<Gayle> yes
5:35 pm:<Gayle> well thanks everyone for the help
5:35 pm:<Gayle> have a nice evening!
5:35 pm:<tuna_> did you guys see krunches prob?
5:35 pm:<LS_Bill> same to you, bye
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5:35 pm:<subq> i fired off a chart definition to support@ I bet you will see that it is fine though :)
5:35 pm:<subq> i still think it is something to do with my machine accessing the data
5:36 pm:<tuna_> [16:42] <krunch> have bug ---- bar chart, volume breakdown --- market delta study --- seems to lose sell side of study when ya change periodicity sometimes
5:36 pm:<subq> hmmm you know what
5:36 pm:<subq> let me try my antivirus software :)
5:36 pm:<subq> exclude the I/RT directory
5:36 pm:<tuna_> i dont see that prob
5:36 pm:<tuna_> but im useinf esig feed
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, like I said, it has to do with how much tick data you are retaining, combined with how many days your tpo chart loads
5:37 pm:<subq> LS_Chad even on a normal chart?
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> to confirm, do a download of last 120 days of 1-min data
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> then close / reopen chart
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> see if it doesn't open instantly
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> if you mean normal tpo chart, yes
5:38 pm:<subq> i mean normal like candle chart
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> nice looking chart subq, opened right up for me
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna, I replied to krunch in email...he's obviously initiating a download of 1-min data..probably with auto-downloading turned on
5:38 pm:<subq> i figured it would heh
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> it depends on what's in that normal chart.
5:38 pm:<subq> what is a good number for retaining tick data?
5:38 pm:<subq> 20 days?
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> is that what you sent to Bill? if so, Bill, download tick data on the period of the chart
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> and close/reopen
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> depends on what you need...if you only need 1, then 1 is a good number
5:39 pm:<subq> i thought i needed 30 :)
5:39 pm:<subq> i like to look at TPO charts summed up weekly
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> you can install 2 versions of I/RT...one that just keeps around 1 day of ticks....the one you run during trading
5:40 pm:<LS_Chad> another that keeps 30 days..the one you look at after market
5:40 pm:<subq> little something like this
5:40 pm:<subq> : chipowaz (~warp@71-220-48-40.mpls.qwest.net) (Read error to chipowaz[71-220-48-40.mpls.qwest.net]: Connection reset by
5:40 pm:<subq> ooops
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> ab#f chart for 10 days
5:40 pm:<tuna_> no kidding
5:40 pm:<subq> http://web.surfing.net/pub/trade/60623_ER2_weekly_TPO.png
5:40 pm:<subq> weekly ab#f
5:41 pm:<subq> btw I/RT is the only app i have been to create a chart that nice with the data i want :)
5:41 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..well..you just have to realize that when you're opening that chart, I/RT has to go through several million ticks....to build the chart
5:41 pm:<LS_Chad> have to pay a price in processing to get that
5:42 pm:<subq> yeah had bumped my tick retention to 30 days and i get warnings about it going over now
5:42 pm:<subq> i think that warning is set at 1m by default
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> well..you cna get rid of the warnings
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> setup: prefs: historical
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> you can turn off that warning
5:42 pm:<subq> right
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> uncheck the "disallow data access over 1-mill ticks"
5:43 pm:<subq> how do i get the historical settigns to kick in?
5:43 pm:<subq> i just changed it to 10 days tick
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> it's automatic, at session posting time
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> it does housekeeping them
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> then
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> those of you waiting on dynamic tpo stuff....should be much better in next release...maybe we can get that out first thing tomorrow morning..if not, later in the evening
5:43 pm:<Daniel> k
5:43 pm:<subq> oh ab#f is 24 hour session too
5:43 pm:<subq> it already posted i think
5:43 pm:<subq> would have to look at the time
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> you can post the session manually if you like
5:44 pm:<LS_Chad> also added "extend naked poc" checkbox
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> setup: prefs:sessions
5:44 pm:<LS_Chad> and "singles"
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> pick the session, click Post Now
5:44 pm:<LS_Chad> to mark the singles..and extend the signles line until filled
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> still downloadng ticks on AB #F, over 2 million so far
5:44 pm:<subq> extend naked POC i need that
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> 2.25 million
5:45 pm:<tuna_> nice feature chad
5:45 pm:<subq> bill from esignal?
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> 2.5 million
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> ten days is what I asked eSignal for
5:46 pm:*** gloveday has left
5:46 pm:<tuna_> i think thats esigs max bill
5:46 pm:<subq> yeah esignal only keeps 10 days history on ticks
5:46 pm:<LS_Chad> actually...I think you can get 60 days or so of tick data from esignal
5:47 pm:<LS_Chad> last I tested
5:47 pm:<subq> chad you make any progress on that double line value area bug today?
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> 2.77 million was total
5:47 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..should be fixed
5:47 pm:<subq> nice
5:47 pm:<tuna_> ok
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> took about 10 seconds to open subq
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I downloaded 60 days of tick data
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> with shy of 3 million ticks
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> my 12 day tpo chart now takes 30 seconds to open
5:48 pm:<Mike> hi all
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I then download 60 days of 1-min data.....to replace the tick data
5:48 pm:<LS_Chad> opening the chart is instant
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> hi Mike
5:48 pm:<subq> yeah mine just doenloaded 2.3m ticks from esignal
5:49 pm:<tuna_> mike
5:49 pm:<tuna_> see pm
5:49 pm:<Mike> no pm tuna
5:50 pm:<subq> weird thing is my processor is only hitting 49%
5:50 pm:*** Alex has joined us
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5:51 pm:<Mike> Hello Alex. Welcome to the Linn Software Chat room.
5:51 pm:<Daniel> its the drawing of it into the chart
5:51 pm:<LS_Chad> it's the loading of the tick data that actually takes so lonog
5:51 pm:<LS_Chad> that is 98% of the time spent
5:51 pm:<Daniel> so you're using 50% of computer capacity for drawing alone
5:51 pm:<Daniel> thats alot
5:52 pm:<Daniel> right
5:52 pm:<LS_Chad> calculating is actually only a second or so
5:53 pm:<Daniel> right because u cant use 56k for live charts and the data will not lag coming in on a QP..but to get it to the charts is another story
5:53 pm:<Daniel> *can
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> so what I would do...download 120 days of 1-min data
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> then download only the number of days of tick data you need...bare minimum
5:53 pm:<LS_Chad> and in setup: prefs: historical...set it up to retain only the # of days of ticks you need
5:54 pm:<subq> 10 days tick, 120 days 1 minute intraday
5:54 pm:<tuna_> or do the 2 versions of irt thing
5:54 pm:<subq> as long as the tpo charts will calculate ok
5:55 pm:<subq> i thought i had to retain all that tick data to get my TPO chart right :)
5:55 pm:<tuna_> that chad mentioned
5:56 pm:<Daniel> ok lets move on...
5:56 pm:<Daniel> :-)
5:56 pm:<subq> yeah i didnt mean to take up weekly chat time on it
5:56 pm:<Daniel> TSYS take a trade and it crashes
5:56 pm:<Daniel> no big deal
5:56 pm:<Daniel> just wanted to know the status of my automation crashing
5:56 pm:<subq> heh
5:57 pm:<subq> someone tell me how to run this TPO dynamic that everyone is talking about
5:57 pm:<subq> scared to run or whatever
5:57 pm:<subq> i need to run it if I'm not already
5:57 pm:<Daniel> thats a 10k question
5:57 pm:<Daniel> LOL
5:57 pm:<subq> i mean is it some option? i've had TPO charts running live during the day with no problems
5:57 pm:<tuna_> and lets look at krunches problem too
5:58 pm:<tuna_> when you guys have time
5:58 pm:<subq> hey this is a dumb question but is there a setting somewhere that auto saves charts when you close them
5:58 pm:<subq> any setting changes
5:58 pm:<subq> i get my charts right then i may mess with them and when i close them it saves me messing it up :)
5:59 pm:<LS_Chad> tuna...I answered that above..and sent him email
5:59 pm:<tuna_> ok
5:59 pm:<LS_Chad> krunch..you get email....follow that?
5:59 pm:<LS_Chad> he's downloading 1-min data
6 pm:<LS_Chad> probably got auto-download on
6 pm:<LS_Chad> VB indicator requires tick data
6 pm:<LS_Chad> downloading 1-min data replaces tick data
6 pm:<tuna_> i didnt see it..the problem
6 pm:<subq> yeah i noticed that about VB as well
6 pm:<subq> another reason i wanted more tick data
6 pm:<subq> i love VB
6 pm:<tuna_> but im using esig
6 pm:<LS_Chad> subq, go to "setup: prefs: general"..you can turn off auto-saving of charts when closing
6 pm:<LS_Chad> although I really like that feature myself
6:01 pm:<tuna_> ok
6:01 pm:<tuna_> thx chad
6:01 pm:<LS_Chad> turn if off...and you'll end up losing lots of changes
6:01 pm:<tuna_> i was perplexed
6:01 pm:<subq> i changed it to "ask me"
6:01 pm:<subq> thx
6:01 pm:<LS_Chad> there ya go...
6:01 pm:<subq> ifi get time i am going to go through every option in I/RT :)
6:01 pm:<LS_Chad> good luck :)
6:01 pm:<tuna_> lol
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> will take you awhile ;-)
6:02 pm:<LS_Chad> I haven't even been through every option
6:02 pm:<subq> yep
6:02 pm:<subq> would be awesome to have videos like the new ones
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> there are some we have forgotten about too ;-)
6:02 pm:<subq> that cover each option
6:02 pm:<LS_Chad> and a few I have, but forgotten we have
6:02 pm:<Daniel> woohoo Brazil and France in the quarter finals
6:02 pm:<mptrading> tks
6:03 pm:<subq> chad .10 will be out tonight?
6:03 pm:<Daniel> ok what about TSYS crashing when it take sa trade with a signal action
6:03 pm:<mptrading> el gordo striked again
6:03 pm:<subq> or 8.4.0
6:03 pm:<mptrading> 15th score in 3 world cups
6:03 pm:<LS_Chad> I doubt it....my code is in Bill's hands..up to him....probably tomorrow
6:03 pm:<subq> naked POCs are plenty reason to go to 8.4.0 anyway that is a pretty good feature :)
6:04 pm:<krunch> naked poc's where
6:04 pm:<tuna_> fat boy,,,everybody loves him
6:04 pm:<krunch> anyone got a camera
6:04 pm:<Daniel> nah
6:05 pm:<krunch> 8.4.0 has naked poc tool, tell me more!
6:05 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpoNakedExtended.jpg
6:05 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tpo/charts/tpoSinglesFixed.jpg
6:05 pm:<subq> thats some awesome stuff
6:06 pm:<krunch> chad, you da man, you da man
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> singles work same way as naked pocs
6:06 pm:<fcat> Chad...Bill said you found a bug that may be the root of my disappearing 1m chart data
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> extended with dates...if the go to current
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...could be
6:06 pm:<fcat> nice
6:06 pm:<fcat> thanks
6:06 pm:<subq> Chad: are the naked POC configurable on volume too or no?
6:06 pm:<LS_Chad> bad bug....having to do with loading first minute of ticks after session open
6:06 pm:<tuna_> guy ellis is crying his eyes out krunch
6:07 pm:<krunch> lol
6:07 pm:<LS_Chad> yep...volume-based POCs extend as well
6:07 pm:<Daniel> hey how did you get POCs you want to extend?
6:07 pm:<subq> "naked"
6:07 pm:<krunch> havent visited his web site lately
6:07 pm:<subq> nothing in front of them will extend across
6:07 pm:<tuna_> and you laff
6:07 pm:<Daniel> u can choose which pocs you wish to extend or it extends the naked ones ony?
6:07 pm:<fcat> aha
6:07 pm:<subq> if they hit data they stop
6:07 pm:<LS_Chad> also fixed those naked POC lines not to extend so far...just into the first letter to take them out
6:08 pm:<Daniel> ahh
6:08 pm:<LS_Chad> naked only Daniel...extend until taken out
6:08 pm:<Daniel> nice
6:08 pm:<LS_Chad> wil work in conjunction w/ dynamic ;)
6:08 pm:<Daniel> this in new versiononly?
6:08 pm:<Daniel> shhh
6:08 pm:<Daniel> ;-)
6:08 pm:<LS_Chad> naked dynamic pocs extended
6:08 pm:<tuna_> cool!
6:08 pm:<Daniel> B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L
6:08 pm:<tuna_> poor guy ellis
6:09 pm:<tuna_> i really liked the guy
6:09 pm:<Daniel> Chad gets a fat bonus in his Christmas stocking this year
6:09 pm:<tuna_> till chad destroyed him
6:09 pm:<krunch> world class
6:10 pm:<Daniel> this saves 10k...no joke
6:10 pm:<Daniel> per year!
6:10 pm:<tuna_> shhhh!!!!!!
6:11 pm:<LS_Chad> 5k / year will do
6:11 pm:<LS_Chad> ;)
6:11 pm:<Daniel> hehe
6:11 pm:<LS_Chad> gotta run guys..have a good evening
6:11 pm:<tuna_> cya
6:11 pm:<Daniel> ciao
6:11 pm:<Daniel> guess I wont get my automation fixed
6:11 pm:<Daniel> :-(
6:11 pm:<Daniel> for a while at least
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> what automation is that?
6:12 pm:<Daniel> Im all ready to go but whenever IRT TSYS sends the order action to enter the trade IRT crashes
6:13 pm:<Daniel> uncheck "execute order action" no crash
6:13 pm:<Daniel> I am automating TPO/MP trading into NT5
6:14 pm:<Daniel> +2000 today alone
6:14 pm:<Daniel> 2 lot and 1 lot scaling out trading
6:15 pm:<Daniel> I need to run it in automation into sim 101 to test it's robustness if you will..but I can't get it running without crashing
6:15 pm:<subq> Daniel you going to send me the chart definition on that? :)
6:15 pm:<Daniel> hehe
6:15 pm:<subq> i want to check it out
6:16 pm:<Daniel> Ill send you a screen shot!
6:16 pm:<subq> oh it is some secret thing?
6:16 pm:<Daniel> very easy to do but 6 months of Chad's work and mine t get it done
6:16 pm:<Daniel> yeah sort off
6:19 pm:<tuna_> you didnt have any help?
6:20 pm:*** IRT_USER has joined us
6:20 pm:<Daniel> for what?
6:21 pm:<Daniel> putting all the rules and automation togther u mean?
6:21 pm:<tuna_> yeah
6:21 pm:<Daniel> brely
6:21 pm:<Daniel> barely*
6:22 pm:<Daniel> smething that should take a weekend has taken me 1 month to put together
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> right barely any
6:22 pm:<Daniel> no I mean the actual signals and automation
6:22 pm:<Daniel> LOL
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> working out the kinks in IRT NT integration
6:22 pm:<Daniel> not the NT5 and TPO stuff
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> daniel added the twist of multiple trading orders
6:23 pm:<tuna_> ts guys know that stuff
6:23 pm:<Daniel> NT5 integration is almost done
6:24 pm:<Daniel> I can trade from chart buttons and dont even need to see NT5
6:24 pm:<Daniel> scale in/out reverse move stop/target
6:24 pm:<subq> right on the heels of NT6 coming out
6:24 pm:<tuna_> now thats nice
6:24 pm:<Daniel> yes
6:24 pm:<subq> wonder if it is going to mess anything up
6:24 pm:<Daniel> nah
6:25 pm:<subq> my big problem is i use 2 diff data feeds :)
6:25 pm:<subq> zen-fire on NT and esignal on I/RT
6:25 pm:<Daniel> why?
6:25 pm:<Daniel> doesnt matter though
6:25 pm:<subq> my broker can give me NT with Zen or TT and i dont pay the $50/month
6:25 pm:<Daniel> IRT will send it to NT5
6:26 pm:<subq> if i start daytrading every day i wont mind paying the monthly NT fee
6:26 pm:<subq> but I have to work on 3 other companies so i dont get to daytrade like i love to
6:26 pm:<Daniel> yeah...this is much better than the dynamic dome
6:26 pm:<Daniel> once you trade form a chart u will not go back to a dome/basic entry window
6:27 pm:<tuna_> ill bet
6:27 pm:<subq> you can trade from a chart now with NT5 cant you?
6:27 pm:<subq> i know you can adjust yourorders
6:27 pm:<subq> from the NT charts
6:27 pm:<Daniel> can do all from IRT now
6:29 pm:<tuna_> with NT front end?
6:29 pm:<Daniel> yep
6:30 pm:<tuna_> or do you need the auto version?
6:30 pm:<Daniel> no need for dome
6:30 pm:<Daniel> just watch the control center to check orders etc
6:30 pm:<Daniel> move stop/target sell/buy limit/stop/market
6:31 pm:<Daniel> Bill and I have been working on it for 6 weeks
6:31 pm:<tuna_> tell chad to make a video
6:31 pm:<tuna_> sounds great
6:31 pm:<tuna_> ive never used ninja
6:32 pm:<tuna_> but it sounds great
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> I've got to run, lots of work to do to get out next update.
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> look for it tomorrow
6:32 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice evening everyone
6:32 pm:<tuna_> we will