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4:28 pm:<Julian> good evening gentlemen
4:28 pm:<LS_Bill> good evening Julian
4:29 pm:*** Chad is now known as Eddy
4:29 pm:<Julian> How is your new release coming along - with the Vol charts?
4:30 pm:<Julian> I thought you may not be here today, if you were under pressure doing that
4:30 pm:<Mike> hi all
4:31 pm:<LS_Bill> almost ready for Sept 1 rollout. Market Delta will be releasing Sept 12, but doing limited release customer migration until then
4:31 pm:*** glars has joined us
4:31 pm:*** Cliff has joined us
4:32 pm:<Mike> Hello Cliff, Welcome to Linn Software's chat room.
4:32 pm:<Mike> Hi glars
4:32 pm:<Mike> Bill still can not keep ib feed going all night nor does schedule start it before session fyi
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> some new coloring options coming to VP/footprint charts: http://www.charthub.com/images/2006/08/29/myVP_2.png
4:32 pm:<Mike> maybe you can get to it after md stuff
4:33 pm:<subq> bill is there any way to somehow screen shot with a preferences window open?
4:34 pm:<subq> chad, how do i get a vp chart with 1 bar per day?
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> splits of "1 day"
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> set to view period of "multi-day: (however many days)"
4:34 pm:<Mike> agree be godd to screen grab a prefs window
4:34 pm:<Mike> or even screen grab a region by click and drag box
4:35 pm:<Mike> and like to see users contact info somehow, as i like a chart with ergodic but no idea who posts it
4:35 pm:<subq> thx
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> also a new coloring option for MP charts "Open/Close" coloring: http://www.charthub.com/images/2006/08/29/myMP_2.png
4:35 pm:<subq> was wanting to look at volume on daily bases, i was jacking with the multi-day heh
4:36 pm:<Cliff> Chad, are you guys still pretty slammed with the upcoming release? I submitted a few questions inviting deferred responses and don't want to resubmit until things have calmed down.
4:36 pm:<subq> one thing about split MP charts, is it is basically turning it into a bar chart :)
4:36 pm:<subq> you could just do a 30m bar/candle chart to get that
4:37 pm:<Mike> Chad I really feel with no lettes it is not a CBOT copyright then fwiw probably thing you could patent!
4:39 pm:*** Mpt has joined us
4:39 pm:<Mike> Hello Mpt, Welcome to Linn Software's chat room.
4:39 pm:<subq> yeah without letters probably isnt MP, but like I said you might as well run a 30m bar/candle chart at that point
4:39 pm:<Mike> well other neat stuff on chart though
4:41 pm:<Mike> seems they got busy
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, we're both trying to do too much at once ;-)
4:42 pm:<Cliff> Bill, I'm guessing this means I should hold off on the resubmits?
4:43 pm:<Cliff> When do you anticipate having the next release out?
4:43 pm:<subq> so when VP moves to MD, will we just run MD, looks like it has all irt features?
4:43 pm:<subq> from blog post
4:43 pm:<subq> http://blog.marketdelta.com/?p=47
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> MD will offer a standard footprint, a standard footprint + market profile, and a pro version with footprint and mkt profile
4:46 pm:<subq> oh so that isn't irt MP?
4:46 pm:<subq> i mean it looks like pro version is basically irt
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> footprint is new name for "volume profile"
4:47 pm:<Mike> Trevor's movie he made on his site does not play on mac for his info
4:47 pm:<subq> i was under the impression i/rt by itself would no longer have footprint in it
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> it is "powered by Investor/RT", yes, it will be a branded edition with the MarketDelta name
4:47 pm:<subq> so we would need to run the MD version
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> that is correct
4:47 pm:<Mike> seens MD has all IRT charts and features according to M D web site!
4:48 pm:<subq> so for the people that grandfathered and bought the MP they would still download and run marketdelta?
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> we do not offer the footprint, however, we did make provision for existing customers who were using the software before this deal was announced
4:48 pm:<subq> right which version would those provision customers run?
4:48 pm:<subq> market delta pro?
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, we are working on the registration code business this week, hope to have all that worked out so none of the "grandfathered" Linn Soft clients are affected.
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> stictly speak MD will not cut over until later in Sept
4:50 pm:<Mike> will a MD user get IRT basic charts?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> like in the Standard Edition of Investor/RT
4:51 pm:<Mike> ok thinks that is what sub was asking
4:52 pm:<Mike> yes
4:52 pm:<subq> so the only person that is kind of in a weird situation would be a pro backtest irt user that wanted footprint?
4:52 pm:<subq> or will the pro verion of MD have all features of irt?
4:53 pm:<Mike> does playback work for MD charts?
4:53 pm:<Mike> like me sub
4:53 pm:<subq> just want to make sure i understand it all, people ask me a lot of questions :)
4:53 pm:<Mike> right pro md probably means pro irt and md
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> yes it does
4:53 pm:<Mike> woops sorry spaces bad keyboard
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> now if someone needs that IRT PRO Complete or PRO Backtester, that's a special case
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> such clients will use Investor/RT product but will have to license the FootPrint if desired from MD, since MD will not offer that backtesting IRT edition
4:55 pm:<Mike> Bill did you add CQG feed?
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> they are going to focus on the volume and market profile trading methods
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> It's in the plans as part of our MD editions
4:56 pm:<Mike> ok
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> not sure if there is a big market for CQG. I've heard it's pretty expensive data source
4:57 pm:<Mike> Bill will 851 or when will OSX IRT get chart hub posting abilities?
4:57 pm:<Mike> right I just wonder how many CQG Trevor has now?
4:57 pm:<Mike> Ok Open Questions ok Linnsoft?
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> the next phase with Charthub will be to post the definitions along with the charts, right subq
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> once all that is operational then I'll spend some time on the mac side
4:59 pm:<Mike> and user name I h op e
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, a nickname or user name for labeling is in the plans
4:59 pm:<Mike> ok can we get ability to EXCLUDE buttons as apreference from chart defs?
5 pm:<Arno> Bill -did you get a chance to think about a workaround for chart refreshes with DTN?
5 pm:<LS_Bill> we're planning to have a preferences window for "Picture Sharing"
5:01 pm:<subq> sorry stepped away
5:01 pm:<subq> definitions
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> so yes, Mike, that's where you'll say whether to share the def with the chart for example
5:01 pm:<subq> and "more charts form this user"
5:01 pm:<subq> and then maybe commenting
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> or whether to share say buttons.
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> comments, yes
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> nickname
5:01 pm:<Mike> right and ability to not export buttons
5:02 pm:<Cliff> Any chance of getting my above ?s answered (see 4:42 pm)
5:02 pm:<Mike> ok great
5:02 pm:<Mike> 3:42 PM: Cliff: Bill, I'm guessing this means I should hold off on the resubmits?
5:02 pm:<Mike> 3:43 PM: Cliff: When do you anticipate having the next release out?
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> we're working on an 8.5.1 release now, this will be the Sept 1 MD release and also 8.5.1 for Investor/RT. Hope to have it available Sept 1
5:04 pm:<Cliff> Thanks, I'll hold off until then
5:06 pm:<Mike> have questions/idea/thought Cliff might be ok to ask now...
5:07 pm:<Cliff> Thanks, Mike, but some of it's fairly involved relating to some new trendline functionalities
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> subq, do you use irc chat in I/RT or some other irc client
5:07 pm:<Cliff> Although I suppose we could revisit custome TICK
5:08 pm:<Cliff> I'm still interested in creating a custom TICK for NAS100
5:08 pm:<Cliff> and believe Bill had mentioned the possbility of creating a token that would make creating one easier
5:09 pm:<Cliff> NAS100 custom TICK would = NAS100s ticking up MINUS NAS100s ticking down
5:09 pm:<Mike> sub on other client Bill
5:10 pm:<Mike> Think Chad was on that one I recall Cliff a week or 2 ago?
5:10 pm:<Mike> and Chad made a video on it even :)
5:10 pm:<Cliff> not that I'm aware of
5:11 pm:<Mike> you need feed that gives all 100 symbols tracked intraday
5:11 pm:<Mike> Chad here?
5:11 pm:<subq> i use mirc
5:11 pm:<subq> sorry
5:11 pm:<Cliff> I've got that
5:11 pm:<Mike> he made video I watched it
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> new options for VB indicator and Footpring charts...to filter trades with volume > x, volume < x, or volume = x
5:11 pm:<subq> was away again
5:11 pm:<subq> :)
5:11 pm:<Cliff> what's video called
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> so you can now see all 10 lots, all trades of 10 lots, all 1 lots, etc
5:12 pm:<Mike> Chad can post link
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> "Custom Symbols - Advancers/Decliners"
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> will show you how to do it
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/videos/CustInst/index.html
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> I gotta run guys....and I'll be on vacation next week
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> have a good evening
5:13 pm:<Mike> enjoy time off Chad
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> thanks
5:13 pm:<Mike> take care
5:13 pm:<Arno> have a nice vacation
5:13 pm:<subq> have fun chad! :)
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> no market profile questions next week, ok guys?
5:13 pm:<subq> heh
5:13 pm:<Mike> l ol
5:13 pm:<Cliff> Thanks Chad for the video, I didn't realize it was there until just now
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> I am going to take a vacation later in Sept once Chad is back in the saddle
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> yea, think I posted that to yahoo group...you on our yahoo group?
5:14 pm:<Mike> Cliff you on Linnsoft yahoo group mail list right?
5:14 pm:<Cliff> Chad, enjoy your vacation - I'll send a reminder on trendline enhancements when you get back - something to look forward to :-)
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> ok, can't wait :)
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> need something to do :)
5:15 pm:<Julian> You going somewhere nice Chad?
5:15 pm:<Cliff> Yeah I'm on the group but didn't see it come through in my Inbox - I'm setup to receive individual messages
5:15 pm:<Mike> Bill Trevor can market MM now on mac OSX also!!!
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> just going down to Florida...St. George
5:16 pm:<Julian> Hope you avoid any storms
5:16 pm:<Mike> ok other IRT questions folks?
5:16 pm:<Mike> Julian any?
5:16 pm:<Mike> glars?
5:16 pm:<Julian> Err... Yes
5:16 pm:<Julian> TSYS
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> Ernesto is supposed to head up the Atlanta coast...
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> Atlantic I meant
5:16 pm:<Julian> I am having lots of problems....
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> TSYS Indicator?
5:17 pm:<Julian> Well it will be a wash out by the time it crosses the Atlantic to the uk!
5:17 pm:<Julian> Yep TSYS
5:17 pm:<Julian> My TSYS uses about 12 V# Variables
5:17 pm:<Julian> I have problems on charts
5:18 pm:<Julian> and back test
5:18 pm:<Julian> I can run the backtest on say 10 stocks
5:18 pm:<Mike> c hart adn bac ktest to me same
5:18 pm:<Julian> then run it again and get the same answer on 9 stocks and a different on the tenth
5:18 pm:<Julian> Then I run it again and it goes back to the first result
5:19 pm:<Julian> and kind of loops around
5:19 pm:<Mike> variables are per symbol I think for one
5:19 pm:<Julian> Yep - Its not always one symbol
5:19 pm:<Mike> humm ok I defer to Bill then for a bit :)
5:19 pm:<Julian> point being that some match no matter what and some alternate between two answers
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> it sounds like a V# variable is changing each time you run, and affecting one ticker on the next run
5:20 pm:<Mike> I run m y backtests one symbol at a time
5:20 pm:<Julian> I can get two answers for one symbol
5:20 pm:<Julian> alternating
5:20 pm:<Julian> I need a whole day data for my trading cycle
5:21 pm:<Julian> I Have a tsys rule saying IF POS=1 then (SET V#xx,0) for all the v# vars used
5:21 pm:<Julian> I even put a SHOW V# right after to prove they were zero
5:21 pm:<Julian> Put it kept changing between two results
5:21 pm:<Julian> BUT
5:22 pm:<Julian> if I ran a manual SCAN with the same SET(V#xx,0) list between each backtest run
5:22 pm:<Julian> It works fine
5:22 pm:<Julian> Also (might all be connected these things)
5:22 pm:<Julian> If I plot a chart with TSYS on
5:23 pm:<Julian> If there are trades showing (but NONE open) and I refresh the chart (even after hours) the chart signals alternate too
5:23 pm:<Julian> (OPEN i.e POSSTATE=1)
5:24 pm:<Julian> If there is a trade open the Chart goes blank on a refresh
5:24 pm:<Julian> then back to trades on the next refresh, then back to trades on the next etc
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> hmmm, sounds like we're going to have to test with your setup to get to the bottom of this.
5:24 pm:<Julian> http://www.charthub.com/images/2006/08/29/CH016_9.png
5:25 pm:<Julian> http://www.charthub.com/images/2006/08/29/CH016_10.png
5:25 pm:<Julian> It happens the same on three other PC's/Installs
5:26 pm:<Julian> Plus If I run a backtest with the chart clear (on the same symbol) it comes out with one answer and another when the chart is populated
5:26 pm:<Julian> Gosh, typed alot there .... Sorry
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you mean by with the chart clear
5:27 pm:<Julian> If I refresh a chart with TSYS on with a trade open (POSSTATE=1)
5:28 pm:<Julian> and I hit the refresh button
5:28 pm:<Julian> all the TSYS trades disappear
5:28 pm:<Julian> they then come back when I hit refresh again
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> refresh meaning download data button
5:28 pm:<Julian> If no trade is open then a chart will change its trades completely in a "cycle"
5:29 pm:<Julian> Yes refresh=download
5:29 pm:<Julian> But I did it with the datafeed OFF and having downloaded the required data first..... and same problem.
5:29 pm:<Julian> Data same - TSYS different
5:29 pm:<Julian> I post some chart hub examples above
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> saw those
5:30 pm:<Julian> Basically the refresh toggles between the too versions
5:30 pm:<Julian> two versions, sorry
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a bug in there someplace. could be a flaw in the software, or a flaw in the V# trading logic
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> it's hard to tell the difference sometimes
5:32 pm:<Mike> if have data Julian I feel no need to download it again
5:32 pm:<Julian> If I run a cleardown scan of the V# first - I always get the same results
5:32 pm:<Julian> But the cleardown is also in the tsys logic, same statements, copied and pasted and on a SHOW(V#)
5:33 pm:<Julian> MIke, I agree
5:34 pm:<Julian> But the TSYS does not update on a chart properly... It usually stops and I need to refresh to make the TSYS update
5:34 pm:<Eddy> just back -reading prev posts - hello guys
5:34 pm:<Arno> who's your data provider, Julian?
5:34 pm:<Julian> eSignal
5:34 pm:<Julian> But its the same when I disconnect the feed and rely on the stored IRT data
5:35 pm:<Julian> I managed to reduce the frequency of problems by resetting all the V# variables when the bar (POS) is either 1 or 3 (from theoretical start of day (option3))
5:36 pm:<Julian> and the backtest log says it reset em
5:37 pm:<Eddy> Not sure i understand well all the MD - IRT new agreements..
5:37 pm:<Mike> i can try summ ary eddy
5:37 pm:<Mike> what y ou desire?
5:37 pm:<Eddy> Is it correct you can't get at the same time Backtesting feature (as per IRT pro complete) and use VP charts ?
5:39 pm:<Mike> humm well Linnsoft had offer to buy VP stuff a few weeks ago
5:39 pm:<Mike> good question also
5:39 pm:<Eddy> that i did
5:39 pm:<Mike> as I have pro IRT also
5:39 pm:<Mike> you paid up for VP then?
5:40 pm:<Eddy> yep
5:40 pm:<Mike> so i belvie you be ok
5:40 pm:<subq> i have to head out this ISP is completely down and i need to help them
5:40 pm:<subq> catch you guys later
5:40 pm:<Mike> Bill has to make reg code that allows IRT pro and VP/MD stuff
5:41 pm:<Eddy> ok, we will see.. weird to see an IRT video with an MD label...
5:41 pm:<Mike> so I guess you should be ok and get it all Eddy
5:41 pm:<Mike> agree there!
5:42 pm:<Arno> Bill, did you catch my earlier question?
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> one sec
5:43 pm:<Arno> np
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> you asked about chart refreshes
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.5.1 will offer support for windows users to use the standard DTN client software called IQ Connect to get to IQFEED
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> the legacy connection method will also be supported on Windows
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> the legacy method is an exclusive connection, you cannot run other software accessing IQFEED at the same time as IRT
5:48 pm:<Arno> what about OS X?
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> OS X must use the legacy connection method
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> since DTN does not offer a mac connection client software
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> nevertheless, the new IQFEED support in 8.5.1 for windows still does not provide a true time stamp for each trade
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> only the hour and minute the trade occurred
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> so IRT must use the computer clock to time stamp the trades
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> as must OS X edition
5:50 pm:<Arno> mmm - strange this only happens on futures
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> it is this computer clock usage that causes discrepancy between downloaded minute bars, and those formed in realitme
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> best you can do is ensure your clock is perfectly in sync with realtime time
5:51 pm:<Arno> yeah, I understand that. I use ntp also...
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> I could solve this by recording every tick from IQFEED with hh:mm:00 seconds
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> I have been waiting for DTN to start transmitting trade time in hh:mm:ss
5:53 pm:<Arno> is DTN/IQ the same as IQFEED? cause I think they're offered seperate..
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> or I could record each trade with hh:mm:x where x is 0,1,2,3,4...up to 59 trades per minute
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> and thereafter keep x at 59 for any further trades that minute
5:54 pm:<Arno> Should I talk to DTN about getting them to supply that data? Apply some pressure from a customer perspective?
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> well, yes, but there are well aware of this being a limitation and the last I heard the solution was just around the corner
5:55 pm:<Arno> I can live with it for now Bill...
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> when I did the work for IQFEED I was very surprised to see that their standard 3rd party API still sends only hh:mm
5:55 pm:<Arno> that
5:55 pm:<Arno> is very odd..
5:56 pm:<Arno> any way to add the second from the system clock when it gets to the client?
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> in general this will not work. The reason is thatsometimes there is a slight delay betweeen the time the trade occurred and the time on the clock when the trade is received
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> so the trade goes into a different bar than it should unless DTN sends me hh:mm:ss when the trade occured on the exchange
6:04 pm:<Arno> ok. I'll keep doing what I'm doing for now then..
6:04 pm:<Arno> thanks Bill
6:05 pm:<Julian> Bill, I will put together an email with the TSYS stuff in for you, to give you a bit of a walk through
6:05 pm:<Mike> eddy still present?
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> ok Julian
6:14 pm:<Julian> I am going to watch some tv - its after 11pm here... Good night all
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> nite Julian
6:18 pm:<Julian> bye
6:18 pm:*** Julian has left
6:18 pm:<Mike> Bill if time can y ou help traderdax on dtn backfill psot on list thanks
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> ready did
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> already
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> he had the wrong alias symbol
6:21 pm:<Mike> yeah o k
6:26 pm:*** Eddy has left
6:30 pm:<LS_Bill> so long everyone
6:31 pm:<LS_Bill> have a good week