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4:22 pm:<Mpt> Noel, are you around ?
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4:24 pm:<Mpt> Noel, are you around ?
4:24 pm:<eddy> hell Chad / back from holiday ?
4:25 pm:<eddy> Got quick question for you about JPJ trading ?
4:28 pm:<eddy> do they offer some trial for their chatroom ?
4:30 pm:<eddy> oops / they do now..
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> Hey
4:31 pm:<eddy> hey
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> Yes, from time to time....haven't seen one offered in a while
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> there is a new candidate 8.5.3 up at http://www.linnsoft.com/dl/win/irt_win_853.exe
4:31 pm:<eddy> just went to the website and see they got one in Sept...
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...good
4:32 pm:<eddy> 85.3 not yet on your server...
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4:33 pm:<LS_Chad> hold off on that exe....will reupload in a sec
4:33 pm:<eddy> pk
4:33 pm:<eddy> hi bill
4:33 pm:<eddy> i am happy today :-)
4:33 pm:<Arno> hi Mike
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4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> why's that eddy?
4:35 pm:<eddy> i finally found teh cause of the IRT NT bug i was experiencing for a while
4:36 pm:<eddy> causing crash to IRT with the dll request
4:36 pm:<eddy> lloks like this is coming from the fact i am using the multibroker edition of Ninja
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> great
4:36 pm:<eddy> and NT must mix up some instrument name
4:37 pm:<eddy> with the mono broker version (simulation edition) got no crash...
4:37 pm:<eddy> thats a huge relief...
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4:38 pm:<eddy> chad : 8.5.3 is 0.7 Mo lighter than 8.5.2...
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> nah...it was just still uploading when you looked
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> I noticed that, wonder why?
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> refresh
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> ah, yes, upload is completed now
4:39 pm:<eddy> correct
4:39 pm:<Mike> hi all
4:39 pm:<Mike> hi eddy
4:39 pm:<Mpt> Chad, could you please tell your back office that I updated my Credit card info !
4:39 pm:<eddy> installing 853 brb
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4:39 pm:<Mike> bill is charthub ability on osx irt?
4:40 pm:<Mpt> how do you see the frames pere minute ?
4:40 pm:<Mpt> oops , wronf window, LOL
4:40 pm:<Mpt> wrong....[
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4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..will do mpt
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4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> let me know if anyone is still having any problems with MP charts in the latest 8.5.3 release....with respect to duplicate letters, etc
4:46 pm:<Mike> Chad can you put what's new in 853 on web site please so i can read it and others thanks
4:47 pm:<eddy> Just a quick question for Chad about the VB indicator
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4:48 pm:<eddy> what's if the ask bid spread is 2 ticks and a trade is done just inside.. you considered it on which side / Bid or Ask volume ?
4:50 pm:<Mike> did you see my question Bill?
4:50 pm:<eddy> best would be to consider it as the same side than the previous trade..
4:50 pm:<Mike> yeah garee
4:51 pm:<Mike> Chad and Bill seem occupied again
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> one sec eddy, I'll check
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't know the answer or I would have responded
4:52 pm:<Mike> I repost: bill is charthub ability on osx irt?
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> if it's at or above ask, it's considered ask volume...if at or below bid, bid volume...otherwise, not included
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> in between is not included
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> that's consistent with how the time and sales are color coded
4:54 pm:<eddy> ok, so VB ask + VB bid might be different from total volume..
4:55 pm:<eddy> i know for some mkt, it had an interest to put inbetween trade at the same side than the prev trade
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> yea, it would be different if there is in between
4:57 pm:<eddy> this is would be intresting for mkt trading with 3/4 ticks BA spread
4:58 pm:<eddy> Chad : have you observed big deltas of VB indicator result between esignal feed and dtn feed for example for futures ?
4:58 pm:<Mike> like a value of trillions?
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> yea....that should hopefully be fixed in latest 8.5.3
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> have you been running the last 8.5.2 build?
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> but yes, that was a known problem that I'm hoping I addressed
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> but not 100% sure yet
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5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> If you see it again, in 8.5.3, please let me konw
5:05 pm:<eddy> i don't have dtn feed btw, was just wondering if they were matching esig in terms of ticks...
5:05 pm:<Mike> ok Chad but can't use vb for me
5:06 pm:<Mike> Bill here: bill is charthub ability on osx irt?
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> no, this was done for MS Windows only to begin with
5:06 pm:<Mike> ok
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> I have more work to do re posting chart defs along with the image
5:07 pm:<Mike> yes and user nickname please mayeb email addr be good
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> and once that is all looking good, I'll port things over to OS X
5:07 pm:<Mike> ok great plan
5:07 pm:<Mike> mayeb be good to capture windot title area also so we can see periodicity of chart
5:08 pm:<Mike> Arno or anyone questions? comments?
5:08 pm:<Mike> please feel free to ask away...
5:08 pm:<Arno> nope - I;m good
5:09 pm:<Mike> Mpt Sub andy questions/comments? issues?
5:09 pm:<Mike> $
5:09 pm:<PitBot> Dow @ 11,498.09 +101.25 0.89% 4:04 PM
5:09 pm:<PitBot> Nasdaq @ 2,215.82 +42.57 1.96% 5:08 PM
5:09 pm:<PitBot> S&P 500 @ 1,313.11 +13.57 1.04% 4:59 PM
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> I found a problem last week with IB version of IRT, stock option related
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> fixed it, IRT now handles equity options via IB feed
5:14 pm:<Mpt> no questions for me, tks
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> you can use Setup: Equity and Index options in 8.5.3 to build a suite of equity options for some underlying and they start quoting immediately.
5:15 pm:<Mike> ok IRT news plans ideas...?
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> just business as usual mike, no major announcements
5:16 pm:<Mike> ok
5:16 pm:<Mike> someone ask me if opti used dual cpus i recall?
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> no it does not
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> optimization are serial and use one processor.
5:18 pm:<LS_Noel> mpt..are you still around.. I have the updated info..
5:19 pm:<Mpt> yes, im here
5:19 pm:<Mpt> tks
5:23 pm:<Mike> Eddy JPJ room no free tirals might not any more, might be able to get special permission to try it if you care to
5:25 pm:<Mpt> http://www.jpjtrading.com/
5:25 pm:<Mpt> not true mike, look at site
5:25 pm:<Mike> ok
5:31 pm:<eddy> MPT are u part of the room ?
5:32 pm:<Mpt> y
5:32 pm:<Mike> he is in JP room yeah
5:32 pm:<Mike> I was
5:33 pm:<Mpt> I can sell you my full life time name registration for 500 bucks, LOL
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> going once, going twice....
5:34 pm:<eddy> how many people usually in the room ? is that voice only ? no chart sharing ?
5:34 pm:<eddy> Bill : you may go home :-)
5:34 pm:<Mike> voice and text
5:34 pm:<Mike> no chart sharing
5:34 pm:<eddy> hope i come soon with many feedback no that i can test the NT IRT link :-)
5:34 pm:<eddy> now
5:39 pm:<Mpt> usually 80-100 people
5:39 pm:<Mpt> voice and text, no chart
5:40 pm:<Mpt> and he sent his handouts ans sheet with VAs
5:40 pm:<Mpt> and he calls his trades live
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> I will be out of the office next week, but will be checking email.
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice week and a nice evening everyone
5:41 pm:<Mpt> and explains why he took the trade, etc
5:42 pm:<eddy> ok, thk for feedback mpt / any added value at the end ?
5:43 pm:<eddy> or justa nother guy pying S/R
5:43 pm:<eddy> playing
5:44 pm:<Mike> just anoth guy I feel Eddy
5:44 pm:<Mpt> he does more than just play support and resist areas for sure, and has some good trading instincts.
5:44 pm:<Mpt> well, everybody is another guy mike , lol
5:45 pm:<Mike> yeah
5:45 pm:<eddy> he is another smart guy :-)
5:45 pm:<Mpt> he has some value, and really try to help others
5:45 pm:<Mpt> smart or wise........
5:45 pm:<eddy> smart daytrader = wise one...
5:46 pm:<Mike> i liked being in room of audio and talk traders
5:46 pm:<Mike> but I was not willing to pay for it
5:46 pm:<Mike> we do have another free paltalk room
5:46 pm:<Mpt> yeah, bunch of looser screeming and lying to each other
5:46 pm:<eddy> getting life memberhoof after 2/3 subscriptions is a nice trick :-)
5:46 pm:<Mike> christiandaytraders i think it is called
5:46 pm:<Mike> we could make a linnsof tlive talk trading room
5:47 pm:<Mpt> rooms are for those that do not trade, or are afraid to take their own decision
5:47 pm:<Mpt> why ?
5:47 pm:<Mpt> to post trades ?
5:47 pm:<Mike> yeah
5:47 pm:<Mike> agree
5:47 pm:<Mpt> makes no sense, sorry
5:48 pm:<Mike> i liek one for fellwo trader talk etc...
5:48 pm:<Mike> not alone stuff
5:48 pm:<Mpt> turn TV on
5:48 pm:<eddy> lol
5:48 pm:<Mpt> concentrade on your trade, no on somebody elses trades
5:48 pm:<Mpt> not on...
5:48 pm:<Mike> yeah
5:49 pm:<Mpt> jpj for myself has no value, since he does zero bond and FX trades
5:49 pm:<Mike> chad around yet?
5:50 pm:<Mpt> I joined because some friends told me they wanted to form a bond group
5:50 pm:<eddy> you trade ZB, ZN ?
5:50 pm:<Mpt> always, but has been kind of tricky latelly
5:51 pm:<Mpt> mostly FX for last 2-3 months
5:51 pm:<eddy> using CME 6E and co or on FX platform ?
5:51 pm:<Mpt> TT XTRADER
5:51 pm:<Mpt> CME, no SPOT
5:52 pm:<eddy> ok good choice
5:52 pm:<Mpt> spot only 10 bucks a handle to be worthwhile for the spread
5:52 pm:<Mpt> only had that kind of money at corporate level (previous jobs)
5:53 pm:<eddy> lol :-)
5:53 pm:<eddy> u are using IRT since long ?
5:53 pm:<Mpt> I used windotrader and MD till Jan-Feb
5:54 pm:<eddy> ok
5:54 pm:<Mpt> then I was fortunate enought to find chad
5:54 pm:<eddy> lol / found him 5 yr ago :-) after testing evry platform that could have existed at that time
5:54 pm:<Mpt> and was able to add most of the stuff I needed at IRT , like range VP bars and max and min deltas
5:55 pm:<Mpt> windotrader is top of the line
5:55 pm:<Mpt> great people, but expensive
5:55 pm:<Mike> RIT do most of wt yet?
5:55 pm:<Mike> IRT
5:55 pm:<Mpt> cannot tell you mike
5:56 pm:<Mpt> since I left it in Jan
5:56 pm:<eddy> i VP bars nice...
5:56 pm:<Mpt> they always add new stuff as well
5:57 pm:<Mpt> max and Min deltas and VP range bars I had tried to have in MDelta, but they never moved an inch on my ideas
5:57 pm:<eddy> I tried the very first MD.. then left after few months
5:58 pm:<eddy> they didn't had tick bar at that time
5:58 pm:<eddy> then it became a mess CPU wise
5:58 pm:<Mike> all IRT now :)
5:59 pm:<Mike> Trevor makeing many videos
5:59 pm:<Mike> for PC viewing only to bad
5:59 pm:<Mike> His MD nwo work on macs!
5:59 pm:<Mike> wonder hwo many users he has?
5:59 pm:<Mpt> both old MD and IRT still lacks the ability to plot horizontal lines / developing VAs on VP charts itself
6 pm:<Mpt> but for sure IRT will get there on day or another
6 pm:<Mike> sure Chad could add that ability
6:01 pm:<eddy> i always daytarde on a very short timeframe so never really used VAs.. do you use VAs based on 30 min /1hour bars , or only on dailiyes ?
6:01 pm:<Mike> JP is 30 min st uff
6:01 pm:<eddy> you too on that timeframe MPT ?
6:02 pm:<Mpt> developind VAs are timeframe independant
6:02 pm:<Mpt> I only look at range bars
6:02 pm:<Mpt> and 30 letter profile
6:02 pm:<Mpt> to see what others are seeing
6:03 pm:<Mpt> MP are just a piece of the solution, an important one (depends on each specific Mkt)
6:03 pm:<Mpt> volume
6:04 pm:<Mpt> fibs
6:04 pm:<Mpt> news
6:04 pm:<Mike> honestly i never foudn it useful for trading to me
6:04 pm:<Mpt> your cash balance account
6:04 pm:<Mike> your head
6:04 pm:<Mpt> your money management experience
6:04 pm:<eddy> you could reset your VA every x minutes and cut your session in 3 for example / don't catch you say it is independant
6:04 pm:<eddy> x = 130
6:05 pm:<Mpt> and your morning plan.....
6:05 pm:<Mpt> developing value ares are independent
6:05 pm:<Mpt> as times passes it develops equaly
6:06 pm:<eddy> volume - price - and news to stop trading when the other gets crzy and that you know in adv that vol going to increase...
6:06 pm:<Mpt> no matter what timeframe you use
6:06 pm:<eddy> oh, thats not wjhta i undertood initially
6:06 pm:<eddy> ok said like that i agree
6:07 pm:<eddy> ok, need to go / late here / have a good vening..
6:08 pm:<Mpt> for equities you need to look at volume of mkt for bias direction for sure
6:08 pm:<Mpt> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-12/!!MPt_2006_09_12_1.png
6:08 pm:<Mpt> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-12/!!MPt_2006_09_12_2.png
6:09 pm:<Mpt> http://charts.dacharts.com/2006-09-12/!!MPt_2006_09_12_3.png
6:09 pm:<Mpt> those that fail to take bias from Add/decl pay huge price for their bias erros from time to time
6:10 pm:<eddy> hep - a marketshaman guy :-)
6:10 pm:<Mpt> nope
6:10 pm:<Mpt> not billy style at all
6:10 pm:<eddy> but using its BISP ?
6:10 pm:<Mpt> just like this tool
6:10 pm:<Mpt> sure
6:10 pm:<eddy> i agree taht's a good one
6:10 pm:<Mpt> gives a great bias for equity trend
6:11 pm:<Mpt> bill is a ok educator
6:11 pm:<Mpt> does not bet a single penny on the Mkts
6:11 pm:<eddy> you knwo you could reproduce it withe IRT excel dll :-)
6:11 pm:<Mpt> so all BS on his bottom line
6:12 pm:<Mpt> oh , i have my own spreadsheed with chats done by www.Mrexcel.com for me 5 years ago
6:12 pm:<eddy> do you you know the other guy who used to make MP semianr with him ?
6:12 pm:<Mpt> but it consumes too much CPU
6:12 pm:<Mpt> with bill? nope
6:12 pm:<Mpt> never attended any seminnar at all
6:12 pm:<Mpt> but have all material here
6:12 pm:<Mike> could IRT chart ath adv/cdec?
6:13 pm:<Mpt> forward by some friends
6:13 pm:<Mike> irt coudl get those %'s maybe?
6:13 pm:<eddy> that was the free seminar when he started 3/4 yr ago
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6:13 pm:<eddy> the guy is known as bundlemaker on elitetrader if i remeber well..
6:13 pm:<Mpt> maybe the name is written on his early paper, dunno
6:13 pm:<Mike> mpt i coudl do that adv/dec stats as ci's in irt?
6:13 pm:<Mike> !
6:13 pm:<Mpt> he has a new volume filter that I like as well
6:14 pm:<Mpt> no time for that mike
6:14 pm:<Mpt> I barelly trade equity
6:14 pm:<Mike> ok
6:16 pm:<eddy> ok, over midnight here, and kids wake up early... by bye - nice tlking to you Mpt
6:16 pm:<eddy> bye mike
6:17 pm:<Mpt> bon soir
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