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4:29 pm:<Mike> Hi Chad
4:29 pm:<Christine> Hi Chad!
4:29 pm:<Mike> that is you hor line Cafe or the bars?
4:29 pm:<Christine> HOR
4:29 pm:<DougFavell> hi Chad
4:29 pm:<Christine> on daily
4:30 pm:<Mike> ok confused you said 10 min chart
4:30 pm:<Christine> y
4:30 pm:<Christine> i changed put the HOR ref lines on the 10 min chart
4:30 pm:<Mike> ok is hor ref lien using the third button down?
4:30 pm:<Christine> they looked wrong
4:30 pm:<Mike> line
4:31 pm:<Christine> but when i change the chart to daily...they are correct
4:31 pm:<Christine> so daily candle does not correspond to intraday prices
4:31 pm:<Mike> She having problems Chad getting hor ref line on intraday chart to be at lo and hi on chart
4:31 pm:<Mike> see what Chad says i guess
4:31 pm:<Mike> else I can try on GOOG also
4:33 pm:<Mike> Afternoon Bill
4:33 pm:<Christine> hi Bill
4:33 pm:<Mike> 12 here now, a few new folks...
4:33 pm:<MPx> hey folks
4:33 pm:<DougFavell> hi
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> hello everyone
4:33 pm:<LS_Chad> Christine, what session is that symbol set to?
4:34 pm:<Christine> 6:30-1:15 pacific time
4:34 pm:<TraderAnt> hey all
4:34 pm:<TraderAnt> when can i ask a ?
4:34 pm:<Christine> if the Hor Ref lines are based on the daily candle...then my daily candle is incorrect
4:34 pm:<Christine> go ahead TAnt
4:35 pm:<Hayden1> Hi
4:36 pm:<TraderAnt> you know my / Christine...i didn't have any luck adding a tick chart to the bottom of an es chart...it changed the es to the same time
4:36 pm:<Christine> with the IB version...are daily charts downloaded from DTN?
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> if you have DTN acct in your registration
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> if you've got it set to "use current close"...it should just use the current price of the symbol (what you see in last column of quotepage)
4:37 pm:<TraderAnt> chad..is that directed towards me?
4:37 pm:<Christine> and current high and current low?
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> Christine, you're saying you have a 10-min and daily chart up side by side...and their ref lines are showing different values?
4:38 pm:<Christine> that seems to reference the quote page only...only the intraday chart shows something quite different
4:39 pm:<Christine> no...i change the periodicity of the chart from 10 mins to daily
4:39 pm:<Christine> it looked right on the daily....showed current high at top of candle and current low at bottom of candle
4:39 pm:<Christine> same prices are in quote page
4:39 pm:<Christine> but intraday chart is not the same
4:39 pm:<Christine> so something is wrong
4:39 pm:<Hayden1> FWIW, I use a 50MA horizontal ref line and find its normal that the price changes depending on the time of chart
4:40 pm:<Hayden1> And I use a custom indicator to keep my hor. ref line continually updated
4:40 pm:<Hayden1> Hope that I am following what you are referring to Christine
4:41 pm:<Christine> my current low for today on ER 10 min chart show candles nowhere near the 932.90....
4:41 pm:<Christine> sorry...632.90
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> TraderAnt, what is the periodicity of your ES chart
4:42 pm:<TraderAnt> 5m
4:43 pm:<TraderAnt> TA is fine
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> your 10-min chart is setup to RTH, right...but the daily bar might be formed from 24 hour data...could that be it?
4:43 pm:<Steve_W> Hi folks!!!
4:43 pm:<Mike> Hi Steve :)
4:43 pm:<TraderAnt> hey Steve
4:43 pm:<Christine> that's what i am thinking
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> you want to adda ticks/bar chart on top of that?
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> e.g. 100 ticks/bar?
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> or what?
4:44 pm:<Christine> how do i change that Chad?
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> I'm pretty sure with eSignal...they build their daily bars of ES, ER, etc...from 24 hour data
4:44 pm:<TraderAnt> just nyse tick on the bottom
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> oh, a different ticker symbol
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> you can't change what the data feed is sending you on daily downloads
4:44 pm:<TraderAnt> si
4:44 pm:<Christine> Chad....i have IB
4:44 pm:<Christine> and DTN
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> the term "tick chart" has a different meaning in the IRT context
4:45 pm:<TraderAnt> yes
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> okay so you just click the "Add Instrument" button on the chart toolbar
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> and pick the NYSE Tick instrument as the one to add
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> make it five minute also
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> Chris..you can setup a custom instrument for ER that monitors only the RTH session
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> see this QA for details
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/qa/a/60.htm
4:46 pm:<Christine> thanks Chad
4:46 pm:<Christine> let me try on GOOG also
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> however, if those reference lines are showing different values for daily and intraday charts...that's a different matter
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> if you bring up two copies of that chart...make one 10-min, and the other daily....
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> do those ref lines show different numbers?
4:47 pm:<Christine> let me see
4:47 pm:<Christine> GOOG also has a problem
4:47 pm:<Christine> let me do that with 2 charts
4:47 pm:<TraderAnt> just a min bill
4:48 pm:<TraderAnt> do i have to have nyse tick already added to my symbol list?
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> of course, everything you want to chart and track with IRT must be defined to IRT
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> looking at the code..it wouldn't make sense for those to be different
4:49 pm:<TraderAnt> ok...just a min
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> what data feed are you using TraderAnt
4:49 pm:<TraderAnt> dtniq
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> TICK.Z is the ticker symbol
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> Chris...you're sure you have the ER symbol setup to the RTH session, right (the symbol/instrument...not talking about the chart override session)
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> see http://www.linnsoft.com/symbols/
4:51 pm:<Christine> yes...Chad...use GOOG instead....
4:52 pm:<TraderAnt> i have my qoutepage open..trying to add it
4:52 pm:<Christine> Session set to stocks 6:30 - 1
4:53 pm:<Christine> my daily GOOD chart shows current high as 379.74 and current low as 342.19
4:53 pm:<TraderAnt> do i need A @ in front of it
4:53 pm:<Mike> !GOOG
4:53 pm:<PitBot> GOOG @ 378.80 +6.66 1.79% 16.31M 4:50 PM Bid/Ask(378.90-378.98) Day Lo-Hi(369.01-383.90) 52wk Lo-Hi(161.31-374.75)
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> don't think so
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> set TICK.Z up as an index I believe
4:54 pm:<tuna> try just tick.z
4:54 pm:<MPx> Chad any news for me?
4:55 pm:<Christine> yes...Mike...that is what my intraday chart shows, as far as the candles go..but the HOr ref lines correspond to the Daily numbers...the candle on the daily chart..so something is wrong
4:55 pm:<Mike> ok Chad has to direct you I guess best
4:55 pm:<Christine> i guess the IB version of IRT gets daily charts from DTN...with different session times?
4:56 pm:<TraderAnt> need @
4:56 pm:<tuna> k
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> @TICK.Z ??
4:56 pm:<tuna> see pm tony
4:57 pm:<tuna> thats the dnt symbol site
4:57 pm:<tuna> dtn
4:57 pm:<TraderAnt> thks tuna
4:57 pm:<TraderAnt> @ works though
4:57 pm:<tuna> for nyse stuff
4:57 pm:<TraderAnt> i guess..mkt closed so...
4:57 pm:<Hayden1> Christine, I had my IB account and was using DTN without IB feed, and my numbers for numerous symbols, especially ETFs was far off the IB prices, so I switched to the IB feed
4:58 pm:<Christine> i know the daily charts are weird....very strange looking way off candles sometimes
4:58 pm:<TraderAnt> with dtn, you have to have @ in front as far i know
4:59 pm:<TraderAnt> how do i get MP scale to the right side rather than left
5 pm:<LS_Chad> you can't
5 pm:<Christine> i just deleted today's GOOG data and redownloaded....it changed the candle
5 pm:<LS_Bill> you can have it anywhere you like so long as it's on the left
5 pm:<LS_Chad> no news MPx, I've read your email....as you say..it's a very big project
5:01 pm:<TraderAnt> ok, that answers that
5:01 pm:<MPx> ok
5:01 pm:<Christine> this happens all the time though...i have to delete and redownload..sometimes it works...sometimes it doesn't
5:01 pm:<MPx> how about a response?
5:01 pm:<MPx> lol
5:01 pm:<LS_Chad> you just got it
5:01 pm:<MPx> about the other details
5:01 pm:<Jerry> can IRT be used with just IB feed, how do you set up charts in 24 hour mode for zb, es, ym, nq,
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, IRT can be used with IB (with no DTN historical server)
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> if you didn't need seperate POC (etc) for these sub profiles...it might be much more doable
5:02 pm:<TraderAnt> how can i manipulate MP chart on the fly
5:02 pm:<Jerry> need seprate poc
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> for 24 hour you assign the ticker symbols to an overnight sessions
5:02 pm:<MPx> then can that one
5:02 pm:<MPx> I can spot with eyes
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> session #31 is setup as an overnight session for example
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> If it can continue to draw the POC, VA, etc..for the entire day (or whatever larger profile is involved...)..much more feasible
5:04 pm:<Jerry> I have tried setting up with various session numbers, I get zeros , and coed 100
5:04 pm:<MPx> yes that's fine
5:04 pm:<Jerry> oops code
5:04 pm:<MPx> I will open a separate chart for the new feature
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> basically....allowing everything to be "computed" as it has been...it would just be a matter of drawing things differently
5:04 pm:<MPx> yes this chart must be independent of the main one
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> A would still represent first 30 minutes, B second 30 minutes, etc...right. The only difference would be which sub-profile we group the letters in
5:06 pm:<MPx> yes
5:07 pm:<MPx> complicated
5:07 pm:<MPx> it's not so much for the normal 30 min intraday chart
5:07 pm:<Mike> Bill does IB dl 10 days of minute data now I heard?
5:07 pm:<Jerry> one more question, I have a data source, trade navigation ---- which can export data in metastock format, or ascii, or csi . is it possible to export to a file in IRT and use this data
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> so it would be ok...to still draw POC, VA, etc...based on the day....but to group the letters according to the rules in your email?
5:07 pm:<TraderAnt> my mp chart is static..i cant move it..any way around this
5:07 pm:<Mike> yes Jerry
5:07 pm:<MPx> but for the new feature of being able to have a new profile start every 30 mins
5:07 pm:<MPx> yes
5:08 pm:<Mike> Jerry set up an import format to match the text file
5:08 pm:<MPx> optional flip on/off check box
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> so you want this to operate on 30-minute profiles, basically (made up of 2-minute letters)
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> where every 30-minutes, we have a brand new profile
5:08 pm:<MPx> or even 1 min on 25 min profile
5:08 pm:<MPx> yes
5:09 pm:<MPx> *15
5:09 pm:<MPx> no no
5:09 pm:<MPx> wait
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> we'll take this to pm so we don't clutter up chat
5:09 pm:<MPx> new letter
5:09 pm:<MPx> not profile
5:09 pm:<MPx> k
5:09 pm:<Mike> can't drag scales on MP charts I don't believe
5:11 pm:<Jerry> by the way, set up is interesting (learning curve), but what I have seen so far your program has great value and flexibility. thanks for your efforts in programming.
5:13 pm:<TraderAnt> Bill, can you help me with understanding how to control the MP chart
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> chad is the market profile maven, but fire away with your questions
5:15 pm:<TraderAnt> well, for 1 the chart is static and even though it sez data for 5 days back i only see 3 and some are cut off
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> what preferences are you using? right-click in the TPO chart and choose preferences
5:18 pm:<TraderAnt> y
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> you have 5 days ending Now?
5:19 pm:<TraderAnt> y
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> is the multiple checkbox checked?
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> can you scroll up/down, left/right using the arrow keys?
5:21 pm:<TraderAnt> y
5:21 pm:<TraderAnt> no to 2nd ?
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> so what are your "multiple" settings?
5:22 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tour/tpo.htm
5:22 pm:<TraderAnt> days/profile...5
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> that will tell you alot about controlling your TPO chart
5:23 pm:<LS_Chad> there is a table towards the bottom that explains keyboard shortcuts
5:24 pm:<TraderAnt> i see that..can we work on just getting my chart to move then i'll read that
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> TraderAnt...there are a few concepts at work here..and that page explains them all
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> if your chart is static...it may be in manual scaling mode
5:25 pm:<TraderAnt> ok,,i'll work on it
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> "M" in the upper left corner of scaling
5:25 pm:<LS_Chad> click on the "M" and it will become an "A" for automatic
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> if our chart is going off right side of window...hit right-arrow key on keyboard a few times
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> to scroll right a few days/profiles
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> in the next release, you'll be able to export and send me your TPO charts...so we can diagnose any problems like this quickly
5:28 pm:<Christine> Hayden...i think i need to use the Hor Ref lines the way you do....just for intraday charts....daily prices from DTN are not same as IB
5:29 pm:<TraderAnt> ok great i see that now
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> Anymore questions / issues before I leave?
5:34 pm:<TraderAnt> no, i got some reading to do..thanks
5:36 pm:<Christine> one more
5:37 pm:<Christine> chad...can i do a spread to display between MAs?
5:37 pm:<Christine> will look like a histogram
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> sure...MACD
5:38 pm:<Christine> ok...so create an MACD and place it on candles?
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> just choose the "MACD" line only within the MACD prefs...
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> and choose to draw as "histogram"
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> yes
5:39 pm:<Christine> hmmm...tried it...but..didn't show up
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> have to use multiple scales ?
5:40 pm:<Christine> hmmm
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> you trying to overlay the MACD on top of your candle chart?
5:40 pm:<Christine> ok..it shows now...but need the spread between the mas
5:40 pm:<Christine> not above below a zero line
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> the absolute value of the spread?
5:41 pm:<Christine> y
5:41 pm:<Christine> i can send an example through email
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> create a custom indicator w/ formula ABS(MA_A - MA_B)
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> where you setup the two MA's like the MACD, one short term one long term
5:42 pm:<Christine> right...spread between a 10 and 40
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> that will do it, add the custom indicator to the chart, draw as histogram
5:48 pm:<Christine> i did....but not working yet...will play around with it...maybe wrong display option
5:49 pm:<Christine> not working
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> if you continue to have trouble with it, email in a chart def and either chad or I will take a look and tell you what's not setup right
5:49 pm:<Christine> ok..thanks
5:50 pm:<Christine> ok...so i gather it's clear that DTN provides different daily numbers from sessions I setup in IRT
5:51 pm:<Christine> or DTN and IB
5:51 pm:<Christine> so i will have to create custom Hor ref lines?
5:51 pm:<Christine> i'll work on figuring it out
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> you want to work with the overnight session, is that right?
5:51 pm:<Christine> not really
5:52 pm:<Christine> GOOG is daytime stock only
5:52 pm:<Christine> but i am still having trouble downloading daily charts....sometimes last day does not come in at all
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> are you downloading it after the close of the session?
5:53 pm:<Christine> sometimes during day...sometimes after session...yes
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> during the day, IRT intentionally ignores any data for the current session
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> it uses the realtime feed from IB to maintain the current intra-day bar
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> but after the close IRT will accept an end of day bar for the current day and import it into thedatbase
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> when you do a Daily data download from DTN.IQ. The data the DTN provides is placed into a file whose name begins with the ticker symbol
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> for exmple, a GOOG download creates a file named GOOG_hist.txt
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> you can use File: Open : File to view these download files, they reside in the admin folder
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> the file will show you precisely the raw data sent to IRT by DTN
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> at the top of the file, you will see some comments telling you the date and time of the download and that the data that follows comes from DTN
5:56 pm:<Christine> are you saying a download after session close with come from DTN and replace the intraday IB data?
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> if you do a periodicity DAILY download after the close, that last daily bar, the one for TODAY will go into your database ys
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> DAILY dowloads do not affect intra-day data
5:57 pm:<Christine> ok
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> my point in this dialog is to tell you that you have the ability to SEE what DTN is sending
5:57 pm:<Christine> and if I do a daily download during the day/sesion?
5:58 pm:<Christine> yes..ok
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> take a look at the GOOG_hist.txt file and SEE for yourself if DTN is supply the bar to day. it's as simple as that
5:58 pm:<Christine> ok...just want to get the hor ref lines to work with the intraday IB data
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> any daily bars you download during open session hours update only the daily bar for prior days
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> the IB realtime data is used during session open hours to keep track of the interim bar for today, todays' open/high/low/close
5:59 pm:<Christine> hmmmm...so if i see a current daily bar moving....where is that coming from....?
6 pm:<LS_Bill> from IB
6 pm:<Christine> ok
6 pm:<Christine> so that will display on a daily chart also....and comes from IB...ok
6 pm:<LS_Bill> the chart bars stop moving after the close
6 pm:<LS_Bill> but during intra-day trading hours, the daily bar for today changes as trades take place
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> this is as it should be right?
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> this should n't be news to you, is what I mean.
6:01 pm:<Christine> yes....but during the day....the hor ref lines are incorrect...that is what I am trying to fix
6:01 pm:<Christine> for current high and current low
6:01 pm:<Christine> i'll watch tomorrow when it starts up again
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> there are about 50 options in the ref line setup for which price to use Christine
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> which of them are you using?
6:03 pm:<Christine> i click on the radio button for Use current HIGH
6:03 pm:<Christine> 2nd line is Use current LOW
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> are you using "use current" with "high" or Low
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> so these lines will move only when the session's high or low changes
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> why do you say they are wrong
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> you can see the current high and low in a quotepage
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> the chart will track the high and low as shown in the quotepage
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> are you saying that this is not what you see?
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> are you saying that the high in the quotepage show X, yet the ref line in the chart shows Y ? where X is not equal to Y ?
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> You still there?
6:09 pm:<Christine> yes
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm trying to understand the problem. are you seeing different horz ref line values than what the quotepage says?
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> or are you saying that the chart itself shows a high or low different than what the ref line says?
6:11 pm:<Christine> right
6:11 pm:<Christine> but they are displaying way off
6:11 pm:<Christine> the 10 min intraday chart for GOOG has candles way above the current high for the day and way above the current low of the day
6:11 pm:<Christine> in other words...the highest candle does not respond to the hor ref line for current high
6:11 pm:<Christine> but if i run a daily chart next to the intraday chart....the hor ref lines are exactly at the top and bottom of the last daily candle
6:11 pm:<Christine> so whatever data is fed into the daily chart...is what the hor ref lines are working off
6:11 pm:<Christine> not the intraday data
6:11 pm:<Christine> chart
6:11 pm:<Christine> exactly
6:11 pm:<Christine> yes
6:11 pm:<Christine> that is correct....X is not equal to Y
6:11 pm:<Christine> bill....getting confused now
6:11 pm:<Christine> the ref lines display what is on the quotepage...but the intraday feed high and low from IB does not correspond to what is on the quotepage
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> ok now I understand
6:12 pm:<Christine> whew...not easy
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> are you doing downloads from DTN.IQ during the day into these charts
6:13 pm:<Christine> to get daily charts...yes
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> or are you relying 100% on realtime IB data to build your chart?
6:13 pm:<Christine> for stocks
6:13 pm:<Christine> i just hit the download button on the daily charts
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> why are you downloading daily data during the trading session?
6:13 pm:<Christine> cos i want to see the daily charts to make decisions
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> just curious
6:13 pm:<Christine> i look at dailies all day...lol
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> daily data is IGNORED
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> for the current day that is
6:14 pm:<Christine> ok..so how is that affecting the hor ref lines?
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> if your chart is up to date daily wise thru yesterday, then you can download 100 times an hours and nothing will change
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT is programmed to ignore daily download prices for the open trading session
6:15 pm:<LS_Bill> if your quotepage shows open, high, low close and volume numbers and you do a daily download, those numbers cannot change
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT will rely only on the IB data to change the high and low in the quotepage
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> so you're saying that something is changing your daily bars, well I think that something is the IB feed, not DTN.
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> you're not posting history during the trading day are you?
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> during
6:17 pm:<Christine> no..haven't done that...lol
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> "record closing prices" function?
6:17 pm:<Christine> no
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> ok
6:17 pm:<Christine> that would mess up things
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> yes it would
6:18 pm:<Mike> I'm back :)
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> so you are seeing high and low in a daily chart that does not appear to be reflected in the quotepage
6:18 pm:<Mike> any osx compiler news Bill?
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> no
6:19 pm:<Christine> i will have to check all instruments...but daily does correspond to quotepage...It's the inraday charts that do not correspond to the quotepage.
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm talking to XVT so I may have more to say in a few weeks
6:19 pm:<Christine> i will start over with these and try again
6:19 pm:<Christine> will add the instruments again and delete all data
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, keep us posted. I've got to head out, it's been a long day...
6:20 pm:<Christine> thanks
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> have a nice evening...
6:20 pm:<Christine> you too...