Chat Session Logs

4:28 pm:<zonez> hi all, anyone have a Linn symbol link?
4:29 pm:<LS_Chad> www.linnsoft.com/symbols
4:29 pm:<zonez> hi Chad
4:30 pm:<LS_Chad> Hello everyone
4:30 pm:<Mike> we should get all the yahoo symbols also i see
4:32 pm:<zonez> Chad, do u recommend a daily data base mntc routine?
4:33 pm:* zonez slaps tuna around a bit with a large trout
4:34 pm:<MPx> hello
4:34 pm:<Hayden1> Hello All. We are talking fish, are we?
4:35 pm:<tuna> yum trout,,,good source of heavy metals
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> I would just make sure to backup once/day
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> hello, sorry I'm late, lost track of the time.
4:36 pm:<zonez> i just luv that visual tuna
4:36 pm:<zonez> & that happen on close Chad?
4:36 pm:<Hayden1> Hi Bill, thanks for the link for 1 min. data. I guessed as soon as I saw mention "....institutional investors" that it was going to be pricey
4:36 pm:<zonez> hi bill
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> you can do so manually, or automatically. See "setup: prefs: backup"
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> hit Alt-B at anytime to backup
4:37 pm:<Mike> Bill we solved Christine's symbols getting quotes now I believe
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> however, with some of the new work in 8.1.3, backing up has become a little less important
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/new/
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> what was the problem mike?
4:38 pm:<Hayden1> $18 for 1 year and 1 stock. Too expensive for my needs, but has me thinking about maybe even IRT users have CD's with a lot of data
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> that's pretty pricey Hayden
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> I had no idea
4:39 pm:<Hayden1> Sure, you can't keep track of everything
4:39 pm:<Christine> problem was that when i went to override exchange, unless i had "index" put in and not stock...it asked me if i wanted to add another symbol
4:39 pm:<Christine> everything has to be right before you override the exchange
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> hmmm, that may be a bug
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll look into that Christine
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> the linnsoft.com/symbols web page has been updated with the IB tickers for TICK and TRIN
4:40 pm:<Duke> Afternoon All....
4:40 pm:<Christine> yes...and you must have index in there before you check override to nyse
4:40 pm:<Christine> or it messed up...lol
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> hello Duke, speaking of institutional investors...
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
4:40 pm:<Christine> i just fiddled with it over and over until it worked..but will see if i get live quotes tomorrow
4:41 pm:<Duke> just us little ole trillion dollar firms...
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> I just did Alt-A, entered TICK-NYSE as the ticker, Index as the type and NYSE as the override exchange and clicked Add. worked right away for me
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking about real money
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> so the saying goes
4:42 pm:<MPx> lol
4:43 pm:<Hayden1> Hey, I've read that somewhere :-)
4:43 pm:<Christine> i had security as Stock...didn't realize and tried to change it later
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> ah, so the instrument was already defined as a stock
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> I see the problem now Christine
4:45 pm:<Duke> Hey forgot to thank you guys for Alpha & Beta.. make life much easier... was having to calc it outside of IRT
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> take a bow, Chad.
4:46 pm:<Christine> what is Alpha and Beta?
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> I setup QQSV as a test symbol, defined as a stock
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> statistical calculations....read what's new Christine
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> then I called up QQSV in setup: instruments and changed the sec type to index
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> then when I change the override session to NYSE, it revered back to stock!!
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> reverted
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> need to do some work here, in the meantime what you have to do I guess, is call up the ticker, revise the sec type to say index and click Modify before you continue
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> then come back and override the session.
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> this is not a problem when you are defining a brand new ticker of course
4:48 pm:<Christine> i see
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> it only is a problem when you have a ticker setup as the wrong securit type, and then try to modify both the sec type and the exchange in one step, can'tdo that at present
4:49 pm:<Christine> thought i was going nuts...lol
4:49 pm:<Christine> right
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah, I can see how this was driving you crazy.
4:49 pm:<Christine> lol
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> sorry about that
4:49 pm:<Christine> just my ADD coming out
4:49 pm:<Hayden1> Chad, can you answer a question concerning Optimization? My first column of results is my buy signal, V#10, and I have numbers like 5,6, 10 but don't know what they are referring to
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> I was beginning to wonder myself Christine ;-)
4:49 pm:<Christine> need a more "methodical" approach to setting up those symbols...lol
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> For you TPO traders, I'm at work on a info box, and I've added the Rotation Factor calculation
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> optional info box that will appear to left of the vertical scale..and you'll be able to toggle it on/off easily
4:51 pm:<MPx> where will the RF be diplayed?
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> in infobox, of course
4:52 pm:<MPx> k
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> send me other statistical measures you'd like calced and shown
4:52 pm:<MPx> so on /off means we get back the spce in the chart it takes up?
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> that's right
4:52 pm:<MPx> k
4:52 pm:<Duke> Bill, got a group question.... when you delete a security from a QP the Custom Group dialog window ends up with a line in where the former symbol was. Until you manually remove it it messes up the chart
4:52 pm:<MPx> oh the stuff i want to add in there will not be simple to implement
4:53 pm:<Duke> anyway to automatically fix those?
4:53 pm:<MPx> I need to investigate how it's calculated
4:53 pm:<MPx> well....
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> And I'll probably make it where the "tab" key will toggle it as well
4:53 pm:<MPx> how about this for starters
4:54 pm:<MPx> I put my cursor/mouse on a level on the chart and I get the horizontal TPO count
4:55 pm:<MPx> so if I have a 5 day multiday I get the TPO count at the POC if I place my cursor there
4:55 pm:<MPx> there is a market time measure for break or more consolidation
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> yea..could be done
4:56 pm:<MPx> depending how many TPOs are across the POC of a 5 and 10 day multi
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> might need different "modes" for the info box
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> "current profile" , "cursor profile" or "row"
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> hello, Nick, have you upgraded to 8.1.3 yet? Downloading working okay for you now?
4:56 pm:<MPx> yes
4:57 pm:<MPx> current profile same as row
4:57 pm:<MPx> if it s 5 day
4:57 pm:<MPx> if its on 5 day multi
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> well...you might want to see info for the overall current profile
4:57 pm:<MPx> make your life easier
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> or you might want row-specific info (tpo count)
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> could probably show both of those together though...I'll play with it
4:58 pm:<MPx> sure..if you wnat
4:58 pm:<MPx> sounds good
4:58 pm:<MPx> I was going to sugest a highlighter
4:59 pm:<MPx> so u can see what row you are o
4:59 pm:<MPx> *on
4:59 pm:<Mike> Bill you see Dukes question above?
5 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll look into that Duke
5:01 pm:<Mike> Chad, just thought son info boxes and main info box be great if user could control order and what is shown, like make stats taken from a layout user defines so bottom line is user can control order of items and what is shown in info boxes in IRT
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> the deleted instrument does get removed from the database setup of the custom instrument, but only in part it seems
5:01 pm:<Duke> lot of symbols this year merging etc so maintenance is tough
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a vestige left over that contains the "multiplier" and price code to use
5:01 pm:<Duke> right
5:02 pm:<Duke> once its deleted everything is fine
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> how is it miscalculating until then?
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> just curious
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> should be contributing 0 to the sum
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> or does the whole calculation fail?
5:03 pm:<Duke> whole thing fails
5:03 pm:<Christine> btw...i still can't download daily data, but we can work on that later....
5:04 pm:<Mike> good find Duke :)
5:04 pm:<Duke> its not a rel bug but just a time killer in maintaining the groups
5:04 pm:<Duke> real
5:05 pm:<Duke> almost daily having to fix groups
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> Christine, Daily bars are not available from IB directly, only from DTN market access assuming you have the correct alias ticker setup
5:06 pm:<MPx> is there a chance we will get directional arrows on TPO chart based on a signal/scan?
5:07 pm:<Mike> Hi Terry
5:07 pm:<Christine> just trying to download INDU and COMP...I have the dtn alias symbols correct
5:08 pm:<Christine> Is Nick downloading ok now?
5:08 pm:<Hayden1> Christine: for downloading daily data, assuming you are working after market close, post session first, then try downloading daily. Works for me.
5:08 pm:<Mike> Other Questiosn/issues/ideas please feel free ask away... or IRT news? or IRT plans for end of year things? xmas lists???
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> MPx, explain "direction arrows based on signal"
5:09 pm:<Christine> hayden...so I should Record Closing Prices now?
5:10 pm:<Duke> X/Y Scatter plots....? :-)
5:10 pm:<Hayden1> I'd like to see a discussion about making tick or 1 minute data for stocks available on a CD. Couldn't IRT users who have been storing data for a long time make a proposition?
5:10 pm:<Mike> maybe Duke that really really help you a ton?
5:10 pm:<Mike> if so maybe could be a custom project for some reasonable $ :)
5:11 pm:<Mike> have firm expense it Duke :)
5:11 pm:<Hayden1> Christine, I know that when market is closed and in certain situations I try to download Daily and can't, but when I post session, then it's available
5:11 pm:<Duke> Yeah but probalby just me until everyone say what they could do with them! lol
5:11 pm:<MPx> Chad.....
5:11 pm:<Duke> I export the data to a program called Grapher now
5:11 pm:<MPx> signal markers
5:11 pm:<MPx> based on signal/scan off a cnadle chart
5:11 pm:<Mike> export from IRT?
5:12 pm:<Duke> yeah since we can export the indicator value
5:12 pm:<Mike> well simple chart with and x value from IRT and a y value from IRT sure chad could create!
5:12 pm:<Duke> values
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> Lots of issues there MPx
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> what periodicity would the signal work on...where would the signal go..if true...
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> I'll just say....not likely
5:12 pm:<Christine> post session didn't work for me Hayden...but something else did....i downloaded 30 min data first..then daily and the daily filled in
5:12 pm:<Christine> weird
5:12 pm:<MPx> I can tell you
5:12 pm:<MPx> very simple
5:13 pm:<Mike> Chad thoughts on x - y simple chart with x and y data in IRT already?
5:13 pm:<MPx> only show last sell and buy signal
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> Gloveday, what alias ticker do you use for TICK-NYSE and TRIN-NYSE ?
5:14 pm:<MPx> and it would go at the row respecting the price it signaled
5:14 pm:<Mike> TICK.Z for DTN Bill he said earlier
5:14 pm:<Hayden1> Christine: yes, I didn't mention it, but first download X minutes, post, then Daily. But if it works without posting, great.
5:14 pm:<Mike> and TRIN.Z
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> TICK.Z and TRIN.Z ?
5:14 pm:<Mike> yes for DTN dl
5:14 pm:<MPx> a little further out than the previous day's POC extends
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> is that what you are using Christine?
5:14 pm:<Mike> yes she has that also
5:14 pm:<Christine> yes
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> well....I might could allow you to put a V# value (or two/three) in the info box....
5:14 pm:<Christine> those symbols are displaying now in the quotepage
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> and you could be setting that V# to the value of a signal (either through chart, or scheduled scan)
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> or custom column
5:15 pm:<Mike> yes see if info box was user controlable what in it :)
5:15 pm:<Mike> Christine daily dl on what a stock?
5:16 pm:<Christine> INDU, COMP, OEX, SPX
5:16 pm:<Duke> Got knocked off...
5:16 pm:<Duke> http://www.tickquest.com/NeoTicker/othervisual.html
5:16 pm:<Christine> looks like we have to download all intraday first, then download daily
5:16 pm:<Duke> Neotickers version of X/Y called clusters
5:16 pm:<Mike> what is your SPX dtn alias?
5:16 pm:<MPx> well right now I can tie it to a V# so it would be a question drawing an arrow instead of a ref line
5:16 pm:<Christine> SPX.XO
5:17 pm:<Mike> ok good
5:17 pm:<Duke> my Christmas wish list..:-)
5:17 pm:<Duke> try SPX.X
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> I would need a few more elves for that to ready for Christmas ;-)
5:17 pm:<Duke> LOL
5:18 pm:<MPx> if we have ref lines tied to signals/scans...should be doable with little headache to draw an arrow
5:18 pm:<MPx> :-)
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> draw an arrow where?
5:19 pm:<Mike> Bill is it not a pretty simpel basic chart of an x data source and a y data source both in irt at present?
5:19 pm:<MPx> 2 or 3 pixels more right than the previous days POC
5:19 pm:<Duke> If you did them your daytraders would love them... you can plot the major stocks and tade the swings they are great visuals
5:19 pm:<Mike> new chart type of course
5:19 pm:<Duke> I use them to show rotation
5:19 pm:<LS_Chad> we'll see...let me get info box going first
5:19 pm:<MPx> se how the previous day's POC extends through the current day?
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> Duke, any interest in R-squared?
5:20 pm:<MPx> 3 letter/pixels to the right
5:20 pm:<Mike> really Duke could it help us futures day swing traders?
5:20 pm:<MPx> k
5:20 pm:<LS_Chad> Also, what specifically would you plot on these X/Y charts, Duke?
5:21 pm:<Duke> Yes if its easy enough Chad. It helps to know the true relation of the correlation to the index
5:21 pm:<Mike> then you drop neoticker duke ? :) and others you use :)
5:21 pm:<Duke> I have dropped Neoticker
5:22 pm:<Duke> I use anotehr program now for the x/y charts now
5:22 pm:<Mike> you plot two custom indicators right?
5:22 pm:<Christine> lol...and i just dumped Ensign today....hurray1
5:22 pm:<Duke> Correct you can plot any custom or regular indicators and their relationship
5:22 pm:<Mike> hurray for IRT!!!
5:22 pm:<Duke> ROC to ALPHA
5:22 pm:<Mike> plot any tow things with history right?
5:23 pm:<Duke> or correct
5:23 pm:<Mike> two sorry
5:23 pm:<Duke> or just that static data point
5:23 pm:<MPx> does it make $$$$$$?
5:23 pm:<Duke> XY3D show history
5:23 pm:<Mike> yes it help me make $ on trading ER future?
5:23 pm:<MPx> thatsthe question
5:24 pm:<MPx> lol
5:24 pm:<Duke> if you were a TPO trader would you not like to see a visual of the major components of the S&P how and if they were trading together?
5:24 pm:<MPx> either helps make money or help lose with dignity
5:24 pm:<MPx> yes
5:24 pm:<Duke> the cap weighted issues that pull the index
5:24 pm:<MPx> I have that now
5:24 pm:<MPx> make an index
5:25 pm:<tuna> mebbe useing some of the big er2 stocks would big a good start mike
5:25 pm:<Duke> plot an ROC yeah but that can cross each other out
5:25 pm:<zonez> y duke sounds interesting, MP
5:25 pm:<Duke> you saee the average
5:25 pm:<Mike> ok great we need that new chart type then
5:25 pm:<MPx> Im trying to understand the concept you wnat to apply to the charttyep
5:25 pm:<MPx> im curious
5:25 pm:<Mike> can you make a movie of day action Duke maybe? if easy to do?
5:25 pm:<Duke> I will send some charts to Bill and Chad and they can see if there is any interest
5:25 pm:<MPx> k
5:26 pm:<Mike> seems interest
5:26 pm:<MPx> sure would like to take a look and see what they can offer
5:26 pm:<Duke> You familar with Omintraders Visual Trader?
5:26 pm:<Mike> chart then have a input for x and z data sources
5:26 pm:<Duke> take that visual but add one more dimension
5:26 pm:<MPx> from that link you posted?
5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> Duke, this would basically be a scatter plot...
5:26 pm:<Duke> they had the right idea but missed the mark
5:26 pm:<MPx> ah
5:26 pm:<Mike> yes that what he wants scatter plots
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> would X & Y involve same instrument, different indicators, or same indicator, different instruments?
5:27 pm:<Duke> yep X/Y axis scatter or X/y/z 3D scatter
5:27 pm:<Duke> well yes....lol
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> so either one?
5:27 pm:<Duke> usually two indicators with multi instruments
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> hmm..ok
5:28 pm:<Duke> its the realtionship
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> so current values
5:28 pm:<Duke> All I can say is that our firm has spent some big money to do what I do with a 300 graph program after what I showed them
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> not necessarily historical values plotted on same chart
5:29 pm:<Mike> irt and a $300 program?
5:29 pm:<Terry> bill, I am having a continuing problem with downloading data. I know you are looking into the lateness of daily bar data from dtn,,,, but right now I have symbols like IWM, BTK, etc, that will still not download the 11/14 daily bar. Any thoughts?
5:29 pm:<Duke> yes historical is a XYAM plot
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> I was thinking one instrument, two indicators...plotted for different values for each day (maybe over past 100 days)
5:29 pm:<Duke> shows direction of current plot
5:29 pm:<Duke> for me multiple instruments is better but do what makes sense for your user base
5:30 pm:<MPx> so how would this be if use...please explain
5:30 pm:<Mike> well only two instruments though right two indicators based on two symbols for and x-y right?
5:30 pm:<MPx> if a RSI was over bought one day and over sold the next on one instrument
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> one sec Terry, checking something
5:31 pm:<Mike> Terry you have IRT 8.1.3?
5:32 pm:<MPx> Duke?
5:32 pm:<Duke> in real time scalping you can see when mutiple instruments have reached a potential point of reversal when the market is still heading south yet the ROC is stopped and infact reversed you can then wait for an entry in the ES for example
5:32 pm:<Terry> yes i do. have 4 indexes of about 20 that still won't download 11/14 bar/ looks like DTN fault.
5:32 pm:<Duke> something you can't due with an average of the issues
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> Terry, neither DTN market access nor Yahoo Finance will give me any daily data on BTK, looks like the symbol has changed or some think
5:33 pm:<Duke> http://www.goldensoftware.com/products/grapher/grapher.shtml#graphtypes
5:33 pm:<Mike> gosh Russel 2000 I hate to add 2000 symbols and make into a group :)
5:33 pm:<Duke> I am feeding the indicators values to this for my group plots
5:33 pm:<Duke> EOD of course
5:33 pm:<Duke> import it ;-)
5:34 pm:<Mike> $btk
5:34 pm:<PitBot> ^BTK @ 667.15 -1.24 -0.19% N/A 4:31 PM
5:34 pm:<Mike> he he pitbot gives BTK :)
5:34 pm:<MPx> just use top 10 Mike
5:34 pm:<Duke> Its easier to see the relationships than my clear as mud explanation
5:34 pm:<MPx> lol
5:35 pm:<Mike> $IWM
5:35 pm:<PitBot> IWM @ 65.26 -0.93 -1.41% 35.16M 5:25 PM
5:35 pm:<Duke> We have a prop desk that is developing some systems based on various relationships
5:35 pm:<Duke> relationships
5:35 pm:<MPx> ahh I have a buddy in the UK that did charts for a major options market maker like these
5:35 pm:<Terry> Bill did you ever find out why DTN not providing daily bars within reasonable time after close?
5:35 pm:<Mike> great Duke, firm should have invested some into IRT to get what they needed :)
5:36 pm:<Duke> I wish ..they think its better to reinvent the wheel
5:37 pm:<MPx> well if you can figure out how to apply quantum physics to a chart then I would say...you got something there.
5:38 pm:<Duke> Well I have at least planted the seed for them (x/y charts) !
5:38 pm:<Duke> I thought we called that a trend... a body in motion stays in motion? ;-)
5:38 pm:<MPx> yes that's the concept
5:39 pm:<Duke> Got to run...thanks for at least pondering the idea Chad!