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4:28 pm:<David> okay to ask a question?
4:29 pm:<LS_Bill> Hello everyone
4:29 pm:<LS_Bill> sure fire away
4:29 pm:<David> How do I delete charts from the "open chart" menu that I do not use?
4:31 pm:<LS_Chad> click on the "delete/rename" button in main toolbar
4:31 pm:<Hayden> Hello all
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> there you can delete any objects (charts, quotepages, etc)
4:32 pm:<David> same for MP charts?
4:32 pm:<LS_Chad> yes
4:33 pm:<LS_Chad> all charts (whether traditional or tpo/mp) will show up in the charts list there
4:33 pm:<David> delete button not on MP charts
4:33 pm:<LS_Chad> main toolbar...at top (not the mp toolbar)
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> see the delete/rename button on main toolbar...4th from right
4:34 pm:<LS_Chad> can also go to "Control: Data Management: Object Editor: Charts" from main menu
4:35 pm:<velisek> can I get in line for a questions as well?
4:35 pm:<LS_Chad> ask away
4:35 pm:<David> OK THKS
4:36 pm:<velisek> I'd like to be able to set an alert for a user variable
4:36 pm:<velisek> such as yesterdays high
4:36 pm:<velisek> an apply it to a watch list
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..here's what I would recommend
4:36 pm:<velisek> or quote page
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> do this with a "custom column"
4:36 pm:<velisek> ok
4:36 pm:<LS_Chad> one sec
4:36 pm:<Mike> Hi Edward
4:37 pm:<Edward> hi everyone
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> create a signal with syntax:
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> CL > V#1
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> or whatever V# you are using
4:37 pm:<Edward> any MP traders here
4:37 pm:<LS_Chad> or CL >= V#1
4:37 pm:<velisek> yes
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> then add a custom column to your quotepage...based on this signal
4:38 pm:<LS_Chad> and create a rule for the custom column of "If TRUE", then "sound alarm" or whatever action you'd like it to take
4:38 pm:<velisek> oh - neat
4:39 pm:<velisek> can I use an action like "send to another quote page"?
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> if you're not familiar with custom columns...might want to read this:
4:39 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/qa/a/4.htm
4:39 pm:<MPx> hi everyone
4:39 pm:<velisek> will do
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> "send to another quotepage" might be a bit tricky...nothing like that really built in
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> velisek, a custom column can invoke a schedule, a schedule can invoke a button, and button can send a symbol to some designated quotepage
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> there are always tricks you can use to do this kind of thing though
4:41 pm:<velisek> lol
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> that's a brand new feature of of buttons, in 7.1.4
4:41 pm:<velisek> yes - I just gotta learn the "tricks"
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.1.4
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> right, Rome was not conquered in a day
4:41 pm:<velisek> I'm new to R/T but i like what i see
4:41 pm:<Hayden> Bill, has anyone else been having problems with the IB/DTN feed and backfilling? I've been having a barrel of problems
4:41 pm:<velisek> just have a steep learning curve
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> things have been quite on the problem front Hayden.
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> quiet
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> not quite ;-)
4:42 pm:<David> NO PROBLEMS WITH IQFEED HERE
4:42 pm:<velisek> ok - instead of sending to a quote page or alarm, can i set a pop up window?
4:42 pm:<Christine> hi...sorry.....I'm late
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> Edward, you have tpo/mp related questions?
4:42 pm:<velisek> sorry am i out of turn?
4:43 pm:<velisek> :(
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> sure...popup window is easy..built in
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> David, you can get rid of the all caps by typing Alt-A, then tab out of the ticker symbol box and dismiss the window
4:43 pm:<Christine> I'll wait also...u go first velisek
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> that would be the "text" action aspect of the rules
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> sorry...take that back actually
4:43 pm:<velisek> ok... I'll dig into in myself rather than take up your time
4:44 pm:<velisek> if i know it's possible, i'll try figure it out on my own
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> Edward is an eSignal user, looking at IRT for it's TPO charts.
4:44 pm:<Edward> just checking out your site as an alternative to e-signal
4:44 pm:<velisek> if i get stuck I'll cry fro help
4:44 pm:<velisek> for
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> welll...schedules can open popup messages...so using a schedule would be one way
4:44 pm:<Mike> Great Ed, MPx is a full time MP trader
4:44 pm:<Mike> I think
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> so speak up all you TPO guys
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...email support if you get stuck velisek
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> and gals
4:44 pm:<Edward> ok
4:44 pm:<Mike> many Esig and TS MP traders coming to IRT I hear
4:44 pm:<velisek> thank you Chad
4:44 pm:<MPx> :-)
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> and an "Action" can also popup a message...so that is another solution
4:45 pm:<David> ok, caps gone thks
4:45 pm:<Mike> How you all like TPO info box and highlighter?
4:45 pm:<Edward> what is opinion re: IB and IRT as a package?
4:45 pm:<MPx> good....more stuff to add
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> Edward, in the demo in the TPO chart of $DEMO press the tab key to show/hide the info box
4:46 pm:<Edward> don't have tpo chart up yet
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> File: New: Chart TPO
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> then pick $DEMO as the symbol and click OK
4:46 pm:<Edward> ok got it
4:47 pm:<Edward> very colorful...what is attached box?
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> hold down shift key and use up/down arrows to expand/contract the letter size
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> can read all about it here:
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.linnsoft.com/tour/tpo.htm
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> although I haven't documented the new info box on that page yet
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> I've noticed those $DEMO tpo charts sometimes have very small letters
4:48 pm:<Hayden> OK, back. I've been sending emails reporting some of the problems I've experienced. Quite a few IRT crashes when the feed stops and I press start feed button
4:49 pm:<Mike> Chad I see VOL does not show VOL for that price in TPO mien stays at 108k
4:49 pm:<Hayden> But the most frustrating is that charts won't backfill properly. I looked at the msglog and see that for Daily fills IRT is going to Yahoo, but why?
4:49 pm:<MPx> need period row volume
4:49 pm:<Hayden> I'm registered with IB and DTN
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> I presume you're on 8.1.4 now Hayden?
4:49 pm:<Mike> right
4:50 pm:<Hayden> YES
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> I have not been able to reproduce any crash problems in the IB version
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you mean by "when the feed stops"
4:50 pm:<Hayden> Dow stocks are looking OK, but the ETFs are a mess, some of them won't fill at all
4:51 pm:<Mike> ahh I see maybe vol per price is the V in next section Dan
4:51 pm:<Hayden> The feed is no long functioning. IB is running fine, but the data is not getting through to IRT
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> as you move your cursor to a new price/row, the volume should update to reflect the volume at that price (for the profile you're over..not for all profiles in the chart)
4:51 pm:<Hayden> The message says no data for 2 minutes, like that
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> "period row volume"? Dan?
4:52 pm:<MPx> yes....
4:52 pm:<MPx> A period volume
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> trading slows after 4:00 pm, are you seeing price updates in TWS, price changes?
4:52 pm:<MPx> B period volume
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...so period volume (not period row)
4:52 pm:<MPx> right
4:52 pm:<MPx> sorry
4:52 pm:<Hayden> Last week we talked aobut the speed of the backfilling from DTN. You said after the first one it was fast, well I'm sitting here twiddling my fingers while whatever feed is working takes its sweet time
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> that might be pretty involved project...right now, I store the volume for each price/row...but not for each letter
4:53 pm:<MPx> each letter 30 mins...volumeon a 30 min candle
4:53 pm:<Hayden> Or, in msglog it says downloaded 40 minutes of data but nothing shows in the charts
4:53 pm:<MPx> same thing
4:53 pm:<MPx> hard to do
4:53 pm:<MPx> ?
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> I'll look at it....seems like it would be but might be easier than I think
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the view period of the chart from which you initiated the download hayden?
4:53 pm:<MPx> k..thanks
4:54 pm:<MPx> now for the nitty gritty...
4:54 pm:<MPx> u read my email?
4:54 pm:<Hayden> Understood about 4pm. But this is during market hours
4:54 pm:<MPx> makes mor sense now I hope
4:54 pm:<Mike> Chad plans to allow user to set TPO vol color and highlight color?
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> I haven't...will try to get to that over next day or two
4:55 pm:<MPx> k
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> I can say that it's probably a long shot right now
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> but I haven't read your latest details
4:55 pm:<MPx> I think the way I conceptualized it it's one simple fix
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> unless you uncovered some way to make the development much easier than I anticipate...probably not going to happen
4:55 pm:<Edward> gloveday are you present?
4:55 pm:<MPx> once u read it I think you'll see what I mean
4:55 pm:<Hayden> I suspect that it is somewhere in the communication between IRT, IB and DTN, that DTN is not getting the proper signals to backfill
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> I understood the concept already I think...that's not the issue
4:56 pm:<MPx> the new concept?
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> the issue is validating the amount of time (possibly weeks) that it would take me to develop this
4:56 pm:<Mike> Bill Appears TPO pointer hot spot to select a price row is not using tip of point but rather bottom most part of pointer on OSX at least
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> right now, more important things on our plate
4:56 pm:<Hayden> IB seems fine, the issue is the backfilling not working properly, and the fairly frequent crashes.
4:56 pm:<Edward> i'll be back later
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> Hayden, I need to have the chart setup and I will try to duplicate your setup exactly. I've done some of this before. I don't know what the problem is.
4:57 pm:<MPx> hmmm...take a look at it and I'm sure you will see how much simpler it will be this new way
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> again, haven't read your latest email Dan...will get back to you after I do
4:57 pm:<MPx> thnx
4:57 pm:<Christine> Bill and Hayden....i have a question regarding IB....is it true that IB for some reason does not give an open price?
4:58 pm:<Hayden> Correct. Bill told me that
4:58 pm:<Christine> ok
4:58 pm:<Hayden> Christine weren't you having problems with your feed and charts a couple of weeks ago? I'm having my share at the moment
4:58 pm:<Christine> so Hor ref line will never work for open?
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> you have to be running at the open of session for IRT to grab the open
4:58 pm:<Christine> yes..bill sent me a fix
4:59 pm:<Christine> ah..ok bill
4:59 pm:<Christine> let me try the download
4:59 pm:<Christine> sometimes if the market is fast....the intraday download is "weird"...but is fixed when it slows down
5 pm:<LS_Bill> since IB does not "send" an open price, I'm considering other alternatives for filling in open and high and low for day, say from DTN intra-day data for example
5 pm:<LS_Bill> for cases where a user starts up after the open
5 pm:<Christine> like moi...lol
5 pm:<Christine> and the hor ref lines are never correct cos of that i guess
5 pm:<Hayden> Is it normal for my IB/DTN registration to search for Daily data on Yahoo? That's what my msglog says it's doing
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> no
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> it should be using DTN Hayden, let me check something, one sec.
5:02 pm:<MPx> Chad one other thing....
5:02 pm:<MPx> I wanted to put REf lines on a Tick TPO chart but I cannot place negative numerical ref lines
5:03 pm:<MPx> there are a few CI that I need neg # ref lines and they default to zero
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> hayden, I just spotted a bug! in your case you are not using a normal LINxxx DTN account number like everyone else
5:03 pm:<Christine> oh oh...now I'm getting a message: unable to connect to IB
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> and that is causing daily DL's to fall back on Yahoo.
5:04 pm:<MPx> Chad?
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll get that fixed asap, you can get around the problem by pressing Alt-D with the chart in front, then specifying DTN MA as the source
5:04 pm:<Hayden> Right. I asked DTN to stop my yearly subscription for full real time service and they said they can't interrupt. My subscription
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..thought I fixed a similar issue before MPx
5:04 pm:<Hayden> runs out in January.
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> but I think that had to do with V# variables
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> so your V#'s are working fine now?
5:05 pm:<MPx> remebered u said u would but it didn't eget sone I think
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> just can't enter in a negative value directly for ref line?
5:05 pm:<MPx> right
5:05 pm:<LS_Chad> what's symbol for tick on mytrack?
5:05 pm:<MPx> n.tn
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> Hayden, I can send you a complimentary LINxxx based registration for now so you won't have this problem
5:05 pm:<MPx> N.TN
5:06 pm:<Hayden> That would be great Bill. Can always count on you guys
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll do that after chat so you will have it for tomorrow's trading. This may be affecting intra-day downloads also.
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> this prpbably explains why you're having troubles that others are not.
5:07 pm:<Hayden> I had a hard disk crash last week and had to replace it; I thought it was my registration, but I had it saved on another machine and it seems to be the valid one for this year
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> ok...so your problem is with V#'s that have negative values, right?
5:08 pm:<MPx> no no..just being able to place a ref line with negative numerical value
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> yea...I think that's going to be a problem
5:08 pm:<MPx> like I cannnot place a ref line at say -500 on the TPO tick chart
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> V# variables are actually stored as negative numbers (V#1 = -1, V#2 = -2, etc)
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> that's how we know it's a V#
5:09 pm:<MPx> uh oh
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> so if you put in -200, you're actually getting V#200
5:09 pm:<MPx> right
5:09 pm:<MPx> so how do I put a -200 ref witha V3 then?
5:09 pm:<Hayden> Bill, I do have IRT set up on a second machine that I use for testing things and I just tried Alt D. I get the window but the source I'm offered is IB TWS, Yahoo Finance or Momentum CD Rom, no DTN
5:09 pm:<MPx> V#
5:10 pm:<MPx> set a V# with a negative value?
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I just found that bug also Hayden ;-)
5:10 pm:<MPx> what you guys never expected some stocks to go below zero?
5:10 pm:<MPx> LOL
5:10 pm:<Hayden> And the message box at the top says 780 bars downloaded, but no sign of them in the charts.
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> Hayden, you'll need a LINxxx setup in order to DL from DTN Market Access.
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> I'll fix the V# problem...but will have to do some thinking regarding negative values directly
5:11 pm:<MPx> k
5:12 pm:<MPx> thnx
5:13 pm:<MPx> since the tick does drop below zero I assumed ref lines should be able to ref any of those numbers
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> fixed the V# problem
5:14 pm:<MPx> fast fast fast
5:17 pm:<Mike> questions/ideas/thoughts or news anyone???
5:17 pm:<Mike> we all quiet?
5:18 pm:<Mike> Bill any thoughts on playback from tick based files external files I hope someday
5:18 pm:<Mike> then they play into x group of charts be great :)
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> it's not on my radar screen right now
5:19 pm:<MPx> people don't want to relive losing days like Ensign users Mike
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm thinking about digging into NinjaTrader and supporting it more thoroughly
5:19 pm:<Mike> ok that one of last main features IRT needs I think
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> that will be a big project
5:19 pm:<Mike> you talked with Ray?
5:19 pm:<Mike> can you support trail order type for AT please
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> no disrespect intended mike, but I only hear about this from you. No one else ever asks about it.
5:20 pm:<Mike> Ask Christine
5:20 pm:<MPx> Bill you should take a look at the new Ninja trader
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> I've had discussion with Ray yes, and I have the new NT 5 developer stuff
5:20 pm:<Christine> Mike's gonna get me in trouble here....
5:20 pm:<Steve_W> Hi All
5:21 pm:<Mike> I'd vote for Xcode2 before Ninja and new Apple chips are out to developers
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, Mike and Christine, anyone else? ;-)
5:21 pm:<Christine> lol
5:21 pm:<Christine> I'm hiding now
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
5:21 pm:<Mike> Christine many users use playback?
5:21 pm:<Christine> well...that very large group u know of
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> Xcode depends a lot more on moves by XVT software folks, I can do nothing till I know more about their plans.
5:22 pm:<Christine> xcode....apple...all Greek to me
5:22 pm:<Mike> they have latest chip and they support Xcode2 now i hear can get software tomorrow they say
5:22 pm:<Steve_W> Bill I'm having a lot of trouble with charts and layouts after changing monitors
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> I talk to the XVT folks, and thus far an OS X Intel version of XVT seems a remote prospect.
5:23 pm:<Steve_W> Things are lost way off screen sometimes!
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> so lets wait and see. All you windows folks ignore this Apple Xcode discussion ;-)
5:23 pm:<Steve_W> I a
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> m
5:24 pm:<Steve_W> I'm doing that well
5:24 pm:<MPx> hehe
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> I was finishing your sentence Steve
5:24 pm:<Mike> ask them Bill they are in Xcode2 and have intel apple chip and xvt works in xcode2 they have version you can get now. :)
5:24 pm:<Steve_W> Well soon we'll all b Intel folks
5:24 pm:<Steve_W> together
5:24 pm:<Steve_W> :-)
5:25 pm:<Mike> steve monito is different size?
5:25 pm:<Steve_W> Bill, I hanged to a 27" wde scen monitor...nd IRT is really resisting rthe cNGE
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> that's not was they tell software developers Mike, but I'll ask them ok?
5:25 pm:<Mike> monitor?
5:25 pm:<MPx> thats what I was also told
5:26 pm:<MPx> 3rd party..did not call them myself though
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> that would be good news indeed.
5:26 pm:<Mike> yes
5:26 pm:<MPx> so does this mean you will buy a new Intel mac mike?
5:26 pm:<MPx> LOL
5:26 pm:<Steve_W> sorry my keyboard seems to b skipping
5:26 pm:<MPx> because it won't help your single G5 one bit
5:27 pm:<MPx> ;-)
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> I hear they are coming out in January, rumor mill...
5:27 pm:<MPx> yes
5:27 pm:<MPx> I'll wait 2nd revision
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe a mac mini box
5:27 pm:<MPx> y
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> will be awhile before desktops arrive
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe August 06
5:28 pm:<Mike> STeve has window issue open yet...
5:28 pm:<MPx> yeah but with the power of an intel chip form what i am seeing on XP I 'm sure a laptop will suffice
5:28 pm:<Steve_W> Bill when I changed to a 27" wide screen monitor all my charts and layouts have gone haywre .... many items are lost off screen.
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> steve, it you use the bring to font menu and hold down ctrl while do so, IRT will re-center the errant window
5:28 pm:<MPx> mydual G5 is good as is ...with an Intel based mac I'll be on par with XP
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT stores the cooindinates and these are going haywire when you switch monitor configurations
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> coordinates
5:29 pm:<Steve_W> I have for the most part gotten everything back together now........I've hd the monitor a week.
5:29 pm:<Steve_W> Yeah it is difficult .... I have complex layouts
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> what you can do is use the Cascade command to get all your windows visible
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> and then reposition each one where you want it
5:30 pm:<MPx> hit the option click to bring to main screen and redo layout
5:30 pm:<Steve_W> and then save each 1 individually
5:30 pm:<Mike> right cascade resize reposition and resve charts and layout Steve
5:30 pm:<Steve_W> and then save the layout
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> that's about all you can do when you switch monitor configs
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> if you have a reasonable number of windows, say under 30, you can tile them all with one command then reize and position them
5:31 pm:<MPx> 30!!!!
5:31 pm:<Steve_W> True thats what I ended up doing
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> you can tile alot more than 30 of course
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> if you don't mind dealing with postage stamp windows
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> say 100 window 10 by 10 tile array
5:32 pm:<Steve_W> If a chart is highlighted and hit (CTRL-S> does that have exactly the same IRT evvect as right clicking on the chRT AND SAVING THAT WAY?
5:32 pm:<MPx> sheesh
5:32 pm:<MPx> yes
5:32 pm:<MPx> same
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> max windows in a layout is 128
5:33 pm:<Steve_W> i HAVEN'T FREACHED THAT LIMIT AT LEAST
5:33 pm:<Steve_W> oops
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> yea, same as File:Save:Save
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> it's Apple-S on the Mac ;-)
5:33 pm:<Steve_W> time for a new KEYBOARD .......and a new typist too
5:33 pm:<Hayden> FREACH, I love those new verbs. Thanks Steve
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> Alt-S is the setup menu on windows
5:34 pm:<Hayden> What is halfway between Reach and Freak? Answer, Freach
5:34 pm:<Mike> I see few new names, any Questions/issues? Terry, Nick, Ken...
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-)
5:34 pm:<Mike> Bill ever hear from Eddy?
5:35 pm:<LS_Bill> not in a long while, things changed for him once he and his wife had the twins
5:35 pm:<Mike> yes
5:35 pm:<Steve_W> It seemed to me when resizing charts and then saving them with ctrl-s and then saving the layout that the chrts would stil forget their pane sizes, but when I save thru the file menu tat does not happen
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> you mean in a layout?
5:36 pm:<Steve_W> could just be me too..... but as a comment IRT does not make things like monior changes at all easy
5:37 pm:<Steve_W> yes
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, the layout holds only the chart name
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> no size info
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> well, I take that b ack
5:37 pm:<MPx> lol
5:37 pm:<MPx> holds size and name
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> the layout holds the chart name and a rectangle where that chart should be placed
5:37 pm:<Mike> few take backs i see today :)
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> that's my first
5:37 pm:<Steve_W> If you save a chart and don't save the ;layout afterward the chart will have incorrect pne sizes the next time it is opened
5:38 pm:<Mike> Bill 1, Chad 1 :)
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> so if the chart dimension changes AFTER the layout is saved
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> then the layout can have a smaller box than the actual chart saved size
5:38 pm:<Mike> right old old pane size thingie :)
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> this is what causes IRT to re size panes to defaults
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> it's an old problem as mike says
5:39 pm:<Steve_W> yes old
5:39 pm:<Steve_W> :-)
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> in a perfect work, IRT would resize the chart smaller say in precisely the same % sizes
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> perfect world
5:39 pm:<Steve_W> will that change if IRT is only written for inte?
5:40 pm:<Steve_W> intel?
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> but the algorithm for this is not smart enough to do this so it bails out and does the default thing
5:40 pm:<Steve_W> so thats what happens
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> this is not a mac vs pc issue
5:40 pm:<Steve_W> ah ok
5:40 pm:<Mike> who's algorithm?
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> it's just a limitation of the software
5:40 pm:<Steve_W> I always default to that
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> well you should know me well enough to know it's not mine, and it's not chad's either ;-)
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> and I have been loath to rewrite it
5:42 pm:<Steve_W> Aside from that you have to see a 2 1/2' chart on you desktop. It makes all the rsizing worthwhile
5:42 pm:<Mike> so Steve you now can avoid that pane height issue by saving chart and save layout
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> this is one reason programming projects with one or two good programmers make for better software and big teams of programmers
5:42 pm:<Steve_W> religiously
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> than big teams...
5:43 pm:<Mike> agree
5:43 pm:<Hayden> FWIW Steve, I tried 30 charts of the Dow for a while, all moving in real time. Nice
5:43 pm:<Steve_W> interesting to watchno
5:44 pm:<Hayden> Yup
5:44 pm:<Mike> not sure Xcode2 can make a classic compile can it?
5:44 pm:<Hayden> It was the way to get the TSYS signals to kick in anytime they occurred
5:44 pm:<LS_Bill> mpx, try 30 TPO charts of the dow stocks tomorrow ;-)
5:44 pm:<Mike> not on macs Bill :)
5:44 pm:<Steve_W> they could have been minimized hayden
5:45 pm:<MPx> LOLOL
5:45 pm:<Steve_W> and still signaled
5:45 pm:<MPx> no way
5:45 pm:<Mike> Bill can IRT support TRAIL order type of AT ?
5:45 pm:<MPx> max I have open is 10
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> no that is a new one, I was unaware of it until you emailed about it
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> what is it, a managed trade order type?
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> xplain it to me
5:47 pm:<Steve_W> Bill did you find out anything re Papertrading at IB?
5:47 pm:<Mike> not 100% sure is sends limit price then moves a tick or two to get a fill I think
5:47 pm:<Mike> best ask JErry Please
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> not yet, it seems to me that it will be very much like edemo, but for a particular user with same setups as regular TWS for that user
5:47 pm:<MPx> paper trading at IB?
5:48 pm:<MPx> use AT in SIm mode for that
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> it won't be any problem for IRT to deal with the paper trading account once I know what form the U numbers will be in
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> so I can adjust the registration system
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> if the paper trading will assign a U number under 1000, then IRT will support it just like it does edemo now
5:49 pm:<Mike> Chad you hve DTN cost? these is no big up front cost is there? just monthly fee?
5:49 pm:<Mike> anyone using DTN as live feed for futures?
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> I think it's 50/mo plus exchange fees
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> you can chat with DTN sales online and see. $50 is the IRT preferred rate if you signup at the RT user page for DTN
5:50 pm:<Mike> ok I was looking on your web site last night
5:51 pm:<MPx> DTN= 850 a year upfront or 1600 on month y month basis
5:51 pm:<Mike> appears not MPx
5:51 pm:<LS_Bill> http://www.iqfeed.net/linnsoftrt/
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> that signup page gets you the $50/mo rate, then you add the futures exchanges on top of that
5:52 pm:<Mike> so $50 + $20 for futures it appears
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> have to confirm pricing with DTN rep
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> what is that $20, an exchange fee?
5:53 pm:<MPx> this is what it used to be for Interquote!
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> for ECBOT or what?
5:53 pm:<MPx> thats why I went to Mytrack
5:53 pm:<MPx> full cbot 20
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> mytrack is approximately the same right?
5:54 pm:<Hayden> DTN is Interquote with a face lift
5:54 pm:<Mike> IQFeed RT US Futures and Futures Options
5:54 pm:<Mike> $20/month*
5:54 pm:<MPx> yes I left Interquote when DTN bought them
5:54 pm:<Hayden> Real time or delayed, Mike
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, but you then have to add realtime exchange fees ?
5:54 pm:<Mike> not sure Hayden
5:55 pm:<Mike> CME
5:55 pm:<Mike> $38.00
5:55 pm:<MPx> full cme
5:55 pm:<MPx> not eminis alone
5:56 pm:<Mike> woo so then 50 + 20+ 18 +3
5:56 pm:<Mike> $91 then for eminis on DTN it appears
5:56 pm:<MPx> what!
6 pm:<LS_Bill> heading out folks, any final questions or comments?
6:01 pm:<Mike> thanks
6:01 pm:<MPx> nothing that I can't bug you about through email
6:01 pm:<MPx> ;-)
6:02 pm:<Hayden> Thanks Bill and good night to the others. See you next week
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> nite all