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4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> hello everyone. Any questions, comments or discussion today?
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4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> hello Daniel, Goldman. Any questions, comments or discussion today?
4:42 pm:<Rrick> Hello Bill, congratulations on your beta release!!!
4:43 pm:<Rrick> And to you too Chad ;-)
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> we are hoping to go final with 8.6 in a few days.
4:44 pm:<LS_Chad> thanks Rrick
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> but the beta seems solid so far
4:44 pm:<Rrick> Good enough to go live with?
4:44 pm:<Daniel> hope is a good thing....I have some issues to report othe than the ones I've sent to Chad.
4:45 pm:<Daniel> VB signals still change when closing/reopening charts..depending on the particular instrument
4:45 pm:<Daniel> I guess it's a work in progress
4:46 pm:<Daniel> also if you import a chart def IRT will also import into your database that chart's symbol
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, that's right
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> auto imports the symbol
4:46 pm:<Daniel> even if the chart coms form someone else with a different feed and sysbol
4:46 pm:<Daniel> not good
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> so the chart will work immediately if you use the same feed as the sender
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> it's good
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> I thought it asked you for symbol in that situation
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> what chart type Daniel?
4:47 pm:<Daniel> right in that case but then the sysmboliss added if you dont
4:47 pm:<Daniel> easier to just enter in manually
4:48 pm:<Daniel> and it also turns on the sysbol to intraday even if you only want the chart
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> as for the VB signals...this is on ES feed Daniel?
4:48 pm:<Daniel> ES chad
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> esignal?
4:48 pm:<Daniel> y
4:48 pm:<Daniel> past 2 days the beta had odd issues with didderent signals...ER wa fine
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> have you tried adding the VB also to your chart...and see if that seems to chagne?
4:48 pm:<Daniel> yep...same result
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> and do the bars themselves seem to change at all? or just the VB related indicators/signals?
4:49 pm:<Daniel> per your instruciosn I always keep iton
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4:49 pm:<Daniel> VB only
4:49 pm:<Daniel> bars stay the same as far as I can tell
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> I'll do some further testing on eSignal tomorrow. I was testing DTN today and things seemed solid in this area.
4:50 pm:<Daniel> ok
4:50 pm:<Daniel> thnx
4:50 pm:<Daniel> maybe the low liquidity is causing issues was fine before
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> rangebar charts Daniel?
4:51 pm:<Daniel> yes
4:51 pm:<LS_Chad> you're saying it was ok before beta 5?
4:51 pm:<Daniel> yes
4:51 pm:<Daniel> thi sis only ES..which is odd
4:52 pm:<Daniel> oh an NQ sorry
4:52 pm:<Daniel> .25 instruments maybe
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> so it works ok on AB?
4:53 pm:<LS_Chad> ER
4:54 pm:<LS_Chad> hey..you have your system setup to reset to new bar on new day?
4:54 pm:<Daniel> Bill it's really annoying to have only certain instuments set up in your data base some of which are nt on for intraday and then you import a chart and it adds and or turns on the instrument you want off or suppose you have a different feed altogther...causes more problems than the simple way we had it to jsut type in the symbol without messing withthe user's database...importing charts should not ouch the data base excpet for.
4:54 pm:<Daniel> the chart that the user needs.
4:54 pm:<Daniel> Chad explain...?
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> in setup: prefs: charts: general.......do you have "continuous tick and vol bars" checked?
4:56 pm:<Daniel> checking...
4:57 pm:<Daniel> didnt
4:57 pm:<Daniel> is now
4:57 pm:<Daniel> new feature and whatdoes it mean eaxctly?
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> shouldn't be checked
4:58 pm:<Daniel> oh!
4:58 pm:<Daniel> lol
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> if checked, it will just let bars cross session boundaries
4:59 pm:<LS_Chad> unchecked, a new bar starts on first bar of new session
4:59 pm:<Daniel> ok unchecked
4:59 pm:<Daniel> right...at 4:30 pm est
5 pm:<LS_Bill> anyone else have a question or comment?
5:01 pm:<Daniel> don't agree Bill? I should have IRT set up a DTNIQ or IB symbol in my database automatically even if I have a different feed. Then I have ot go in and delete it? That seem right?
5:01 pm:<Rrick> Thanks for the trading system videos Chad !!!
5:02 pm:<Rrick> I know what I'll be doing for the next couple of nights ;-)
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> if you care to do things manually daniel, you can open the chart def in notepad before importing it
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> and edit the ticker symbol
5:03 pm:<Daniel> oh!
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> in fact I like to look at the import def before importing, then copy to clipboard and use File: Import: From Clipboard
5:04 pm:<Daniel> so you force me to import stuff I don't want and need into my database and make me do a work around.Why not just import the chart and not the symbol...it cause more problems than benfits.
5:04 pm:<Daniel> ahh man ocme on
5:04 pm:<Daniel> come on*
5:05 pm:<Daniel> please
5:06 pm:<Daniel> please make it so it works cleanly...automatic turns on things and has us doing more work than less.
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> Daniel...just tested MP chart...it does prompt you
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> were you referring to trad charts specifically?
5:06 pm:<Daniel> ahh
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> so does traditional chart import
5:06 pm:<Daniel> TPO
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> it presents the ticker in a dialog box if it's unknown
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> so you can change it
5:07 pm:<Daniel> yes it prompts to save the TPO chart when shuting down even if you already save
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> that has nothing to do with importing
5:07 pm:<Daniel> huh?
5:07 pm:<Daniel> wait u lost me
5:07 pm:<Daniel> no that's not what happens
5:08 pm:<Daniel> I import a chart right now from a different feed and that other feeds symbol gets added to my database
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> if the charts symbol (at least for MP charts) doesn't exist....it ask you for a symbol during import
5:08 pm:<Daniel> and set up and turned on
5:08 pm:<Daniel> were mixing issues here
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> if the symbol is already in your system...then it doesn't ask you for a new symbol
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> you have to edit the ticker before pressing okay daniel
5:08 pm:<LS_Chad> so check and make sure you red trash can that other symbol before testing the import
5:09 pm:<Daniel> ok
5:09 pm:<Daniel> so maybe they are there form IB because I chnaged to E-Sig and the old ones even though off and the data is deleted ot will tunr them on and keep them?
5:09 pm:<LS_Chad> It sounds like it wasn't "adding" the symbol to your system...it was just already there
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> so it doesn't prompt you in that case...assumes it's ok to just open the chart with that symbol
5:10 pm:<Daniel> ok I'll buy that but here's the rub...
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> so open your .futures quotepge, and red trash can the symbols you don't want/need
5:10 pm:<Daniel> if I turn off a symbol in my current feed and then import a chart with that symbol it will tunr it back on
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> it will prompt you for a symbol...and fill in the chart symbol into the box by default...just change that to your feeds symbol..
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> turn off?
5:11 pm:<Daniel> right that's the old way
5:11 pm:<Daniel> yes
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> how do you turn it off?
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> you mean unmark the intrday monitoring flag?
5:11 pm:<Daniel> off as in not intraday
5:11 pm:<Daniel> y
5:11 pm:<LS_Chad> let me test that....that shouldn't happen either
5:12 pm:<Daniel> turn off ES and then import an ES chart..it will tunr ES back on
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> see Setup : Preferences: Instruments
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> is "intra-day" on by default?
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> if so, that's why
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> just turn off intra-day as your default
5:13 pm:<LS_Chad> no...not happening to me here either Daniel
5:13 pm:<Daniel> hmmm...
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> if a new instrument is created, it will be created using the defaults
5:14 pm:<Rrick> Was wondering if a conditional must have a alternativeB? Got tripped up on this ;-(
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> The fact that you are opening / importing a chart with that symbol will cause that symbol to be "watched"
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> and the default instrument setup isn't relative here because it doesn't create a new instrument
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> just uses the one that's there without modifying it's properties in any way
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> Rrick you mean the ? a: b operator?
5:14 pm:<Daniel> then something is wrong with my database
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> of IF THEN ELSE
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> or
5:15 pm:<Rrick> If Then with out the else... More like if then and if then and if then;-)
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> the import does not alter the setup of an existing instrument
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> sure, IF THEN can be used without the ELSE clause
5:15 pm:<Daniel> even if I have an instrument un checked for intraday data...and I open it and download data..it tunrs it on
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> you must be mistaken daniel
5:16 pm:<Daniel> my database has issues then
5:16 pm:<Daniel> nope
5:16 pm:<Daniel> been turning them off almost everyday for 3 weks
5:17 pm:<Daniel> it's ok..I'll wipe everything and start from scratch instead of using this IB database and moving to E-Signal
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> opening a chart and downloading data does not affect the "mark intra-day" state of the instrument.
5:17 pm:<Daniel> does to me
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5:18 pm:<Rrick> Do you allow cr or nl after an IF THEN AND IF THEN AND IF THEN? Maybe thats what bit me8^(
5:18 pm:<Daniel> I'm wondering if it's because I tried to use the same database for both IB and E-Sig instead of soing everything over Bill
5:18 pm:<Daniel> *doing
5:19 pm:<Rrick> The cr or nl would be after the ANDs...
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> you can put cr anywhere in RTL
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> to format the formula as you wish
5:19 pm:<Daniel> anyways this is what's happensing and I'll have to wipe it all nd will let you know if these problems persist...betting it's database related
5:19 pm:<Rrick> Maybe a bug on the Mac side... I'll double check and send you an email ;-)
5:20 pm:<Daniel> moving on....
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> ok Rrick
5:21 pm:<Rrick> Thats it for me for now... Thanks again guys ;-) You guys rock!!
5:23 pm:<Rrick> Bye...
5:23 pm:*** Rrick has left
5:23 pm:<Daniel> cio
5:23 pm:<Daniel> ciao
5:24 pm:<Daniel> ok..then it's only my issues...next...
5:25 pm:<arno> Bill - what's involved from IRT perspective if I want to change datafeeds?
5:25 pm:<arno> let support know?
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> email info@linnsoft.com
5:25 pm:<Daniel> how are the bid/ask sizes stored historically in IRT in relation to the MD chart?
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> you will need a new registration
5:25 pm:<arno> ok
5:25 pm:<Daniel> which tokens
5:25 pm:<arno> thanks
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> ticker symbols for futures will change of course
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> you can order a reg code at https://www.linnsoft.com/order
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> checkmark the box: "Platform or Data Service Change"
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> and specify your new data service and it's login id or username
5:27 pm:<arno> ok
5:28 pm:<arno> will do
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> ticks are captured in realtime along with bid price and ask price at the time of the trade
5:28 pm:<Daniel> and stored how?
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> eSignal historical tick downloads include bid/ask prices as well
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> the tick price, tickvolume and bid/ask are stored for each tick in the database
5:29 pm:<Daniel> ok using which tokens BVOL/AVOL?
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> no
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> BID and ASK
5:30 pm:<Daniel> or it there a new token
5:30 pm:<Daniel> hmm
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> BID and ASK are only applicable when you have tick data vs bar data
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> for bars we save the high and low of the bar, for ticks we store the bid and ask at the time of the tick
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> we do not save bid size and ask size
5:31 pm:<Daniel> ok so if I want to set up a signal that tells me when the ASK size on the low or high !=0 why doe nothing show up inthe chart
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> huh?
5:31 pm:<Daniel> right but u save bid and ask trades
5:32 pm:<Daniel> I want to know when the bid or ask do not = 0
5:32 pm:<Daniel> on the low/high
5:33 pm:<Daniel> understand?
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> no I don't
5:33 pm:<Daniel> ok....
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> BID and ASK are only available when the periodicity is TICK (1 tick per bar)
5:34 pm:<Daniel> u see this all the time.... 0 x 55 for example
5:36 pm:<Daniel> can i call u privately on th ephone...too hard to explain in here
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5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the context, are you writing a scan, or a trading signal or a custom indicator for a chart?
5:37 pm:<Daniel> getting into proprietary explanation...thats the problem
5:37 pm:<Daniel> would like to take it outside the room or call you
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> Sounds like you should schedule a consultation phone session with Chad or me, or just continue this offline by email.
5:38 pm:<Daniel> ok
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't have time today, have to leave shortly
5:39 pm:<Daniel> sent to Chad but don't know if he has time either...n oone ha time these days.
5:39 pm:<Daniel> lol
5:39 pm:<Daniel> no one*
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> right now we're working hard on 8.6, not a good time
5:40 pm:<Daniel> something that will take me onths to figure out would tkae 5 minutes
5:40 pm:<Daniel> ok