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Mike: Hi Tuna, Bill all
Mike: Steve hi
Hayden: Hello all
Steve_W: hi mike
Steve_W: hi everone
LS_Bill: hello everyone
Hayden: Here goes, first question methinks: is it necessary to have AT running to keep a smooth connection between IB and IRT?
Mike: if no AT need to control all orders, oca, and stops etc... from IRT
LS_Bill: no, AT (AutoTrader) need only be running if you intend to pass orders to IB
LS_Bill: IRT connects independently to IB/TWS for streaming quotes and historical data.
Hayden: Because yesterday I had not turned on AT and had about 10 crashes, today, with AT on, not a single crash????
LS_Bill: hmmm, that's strange, is your IRT system setup to initiate trades to AT ?
LS_Bill: IRT handles the situation where AT is not running and you try to submit a trade
LS_Bill: you just get an error message that the order was not submitted since AT is not active
Hayden: Hmm? Haven't been doing live trading for a while, so not sure. No attempt to initiate trades, just crashed when the feed dropped and I tried to get feed going again
LS_Bill: Any order IB/TWS users here having stability problems with IRT?
LS_Bill: the feed dropping is an area that is suspect. maybe you are more subject to drops because of your location.
Hayden: Bill, your fix last week was excellent. My charts started looking normal again, but the crash when feed stops has not been resolved
LS_Bill: Any OTHER users I meant to say above...
Hayden: And when things are not right, my bars are not drawn properly in Daily, they are missing "flesh"
LS_Bill: I have experienced few if any feed drops using TWS/IB during market hours.
LS_Bill: are you seeing an error message hayden?
LS_Bill: message box from IRT?
Hayden: Just that it has to close because of fatal error, with location xxxxxxxxxxxx
LS_Bill: so how do you know this is related to the feed dropping?
Hayden: it is 1000003xxx, almost always
LS_Bill: IRT always stops the feed if a fatal error occurs
Hayden: Because the crash always occurs when I try to reestablish the feed from IRT
LS_Bill: ah, so are you issuing to Stop Data command first?
Hayden: The instant I hit either stop feed or start feed after it stops, Bang Crash
Hayden: First the feed drops and says no data for xxxxxxxxxxx, then I try to get the feed going again
LS_Bill: ok, but my question is, are you doing a STOP FEED every time, before trying to start up again.
Hayden: I think I've tried both.
LS_Bill: or are you just choosing Start Feed immediately
Hayden: Let's say I've tried both and neither stops the crash
Hayden: But today, with AT running, nary a hitch. Odd, no
LS_Bill: ok, going forward, always do a Stop Feed before you do anything else and let me know if that helps
Mike: would exact location help Bill?
Mike: Mr Payne busy today?
Hayden: OK, Bill, will do. But I'd say that will not solve my problem.
LS_Bill: if the location is reasonable, it may help yes, but a number like 10000003xxx is not "reasonable"
Mike: right exact n umber
LS_Bill: I know Hayden, I'm just trying to pin it down, and it will help if I know you have done a stop feed first okay?
LS_Bill: reasonable error locations are numbers like 0041xxxx thru 0061xxxx
LS_Bill: any other comments, quesitons, discussion?
LS_Bill: questions
Hayden: Because I did do the stop feed first several times and that did not solve the problem
LS_Bill: like I said, I run here for extended periods and never lose the connection.
LS_Bill: and I have no reports from anyone else of such frequent drops
TraderAnt: Bill, how dow i create a template for a group of indicators and settings?
LS_Bill: IRT and TWS are "locally" connected, the connection should not fail
Mike: 1 way save a chart with them all on I think
Hayden: As you know Bill, I have a machine that defies normalcy. But move on to others. Nuf said for now
LS_Bill: you mean a chart template?
TraderAnt: sure
LS_Bill: every chart in IRT is a template
LS_Bill: you just make a new chart, add the indicators you want, and save the chart giving it a name
LS_Bill: you can then take any named chart and make it your default chart
LS_Bill: do that in Setup: Prefs: Charts: General
LS_Bill: there is a double-click setup option there also, that tells IRT what to do when you dbl-click on a symbol in a quotepage
LS_Bill: so if Chart A is your default chart and you have your double-click setup to open a new chart window, the double-click on any ticker to get a chart template "Chart A" with that symbol substituted into the template.
Mike: another thing i like is ability for button on chart to toggle on/off the indicators Antee
TraderAnt: ok sounds good let me take a looksee
LS_Bill: right, mike is talking about "Groups" in IRT. YOu can define a group of indicators
LS_Bill: then you can make a button in any chart that toggles that group of indicators on / off in the chart
Mike: well butt on for individual TI's i meant but groups also
LS_Bill: you can do this for individual indicators or for groups
Mike: button
Mike: sorry space bar sticky here real bad
TraderAnt: hmmm sticky space bar....no good ...lol
LS_Bill: you can create named indicator setups (we call them presets) from Setup: Prefs: Technical Indicators
LS_Bill: pick an indicator, setup the settings, then use the "Present" menu button at the bottom to define a New named preset for that group of settings
LS_Bill: you can then create a button in the chart that toggles that indicator on/off by reference to that preset name in the button setup.
LS_Bill: if you have an indicator visible in your chart you can easily make a toggle button for it by right-clicking on the indicator line and choosing Add Button
LS_Bill: the button will appear in the chart pane, just click it to add or remove the indicator.
LS_Bill: I've been working the last fews day with NinjaTrader 5, integrating its trading features into IRT trading orders.
LS_Bill: few days
TraderAnt: ok, thanks
Mike: great for PC folks
LS_Bill: at present we support NinjaTrader only via the "File Interface".
LS_Bill: shortly, we will have an integrated support in the "Trading Order" by choosing NinjaTrader from the list of "Destinations" for the order
Mike: can you inquire with Jerry on TRIAL order type please. he did not answer my email
LS_Bill: NinjaTrader, unlike AutoTrader, is Windows-only
LS_Bill: but it supports brokers other than IB
Mike: Dan asked if Mac and PC on net could Mac send to PC IP with ninja maybe?
LS_Bill: plus it has support for multiple open positions, each managed by a NT trading strategy
MPx: good afternoon ladies and gents
Mike: right Bill IRT-Ninja integration be big news release for you!
TraderAnt: sound good bill if it would run smooth
LS_Bill: There is no Macintosh connect to NinjaTrader that I know of. NT provides a windows DLL that IRT uses to "talk" back and forth with NinjaTrader
Mike: trade feedback from Ninja to tokens charts also I assume?
MPx: how integrated is the question
LS_Bill: the NinjaTrader destination in standard IRT trading orders will be handled much like it is now with AutoTrader
LS_Bill: fill feedback from NT will be set into same RTL tokens, quotepage columns
MPx: what about set up, will it be plug and play or will one have to set everything up manually?
MPx: like AT
LS_Bill: with NT, there is an "average entry price" instead of just an entry price
LS_Bill: see Setup: Trading Order
LS_Bill: all you will have to do is define a trading order and assign NT as the destination
LS_Bill: the trading order specifies the NT account, order type, etc.
LS_Bill: you can then assign the trading order to a chart button
LS_Bill: or you can have the trading order sent automatically when a signal marker indicator in a chart triggers
MPx: what about the other way around.....meaning can IRT be Ninja's slave in relation to just seeing all that NT does/has as far as market positions
LS_Bill: yes, IRT has "orders" for checking positions
LS_Bill: that will feedback the status of all positions, all open orders etc.
Mike: i think he preferred automatically Bill
LS_Bill: when you place a trade, a buy or sell, IRT will monitor that order til it is filled
MPx: so I can connect Ninja to IRT and right away IRT will just show me my trade positions automatically?
Mike: need to hit a button in IRT I think dan
MPx: size/price/stops/targets/etc
TraderAnt: and the position is seen on the chart?
LS_Bill: all communication to NT is done thru "Trading Orders"
LS_Bill: one of the trading order types is "Get Market Positions"
Mike: antee can have ref lines to show fill stop target as I do now even, also large annotation of text telling information also
Mike: i can see if I have a screen shot Antee of this!
MPx: so in relation to that"Get Market Positions" what if I have no trading orders set up in IRT because I want IRT to only monitor NT positions and slap lines on the chart?
LS_Bill: so this "informational" trading order must be initiated somehow
TraderAnt: nice...very nice
LS_Bill: the position sizes will get filled into the IRT quotepage
LS_Bill: or they can be referenced by signals written in RTL
Mike: be greater if could see QTY in ref lien info box Bill
LS_Bill: reference lines in IRT are pegged to "price"
LS_Bill: so for example, you could have a ref line pegged to the fill price of the positions (avg fill price)
LS_Bill: at some point, ref lines that are tied more directly to the trading order system could show the number of contracts long or short sure.
MPx: connect NT to IRT...place trade on NT...filled 2 long and IRT chart shows position stop and target.How much set up is involved here for the user?
Mike: can you allow tokens to be in the Title text of ref lines Bill?
LS_Bill: at present you can show this information in your chart using an Annotation indicator
Mike: test: Long 2@695 for example
Mike: Long %TR_QTY, @ %TR_FILL
Mike: would be great
MPx: need to eliminate the user setup as much as possible other than specifying IRT to monitor NT for trades
LS_Bill: what do you mean "would" mike?
LS_Bill: this is how it works now, with Autotrader, and this is how it will work when NinjaTrader trading orders are available
MPx: take it a step further
LS_Bill: TR_FILL and TR_POS are the RTL tokens for fill price and position size
MPx: Bill
MPx: make that transparent to the user
LS_Bill: so you can use %TR_POS and %TR_FILL in your annotations
Mike: can I have a RTL token in hor ref lien title area Bill?
Mike: right in annotation, what about ref lines title box text please?
LS_Bill: what I'm saying mike, is what we do now, sure someday maybe the ref lines could show that also, but the capability is there now to annotate your chart with trading information.
Mike: right I have that
Mike: one sec antee I make a position for you and chart pict
LS_Bill: hi Dan_t
Dan_T: Hi Bill
LS_Bill: Dan_t is using NinjaTrader actively, right Dan?
Dan_T: LS_Bill: Yes
TraderAnt: thks mike
LS_Bill: we were just discussing more integrated support for NinjaTrader is coming in next release
MPx: BIll since all the tokens are already there to be used as such to set that up....why then need for them....why not just eliminate them and make an AT specification and an NT specification and ALL those tokens will not be needed or exposed.
MPx: yes
MPx: DAn T and Reaza
LS_Bill: I don't follow you MPx
MPx: ok...
Dan_T: I cannot see the earlier posts, joined late
MPx: you will make each user have to set up tokens in QP and ref lines etc right?
MPx: eliminate that need
LS_Bill: the way I do things is to create a consistent way to do things wether you're using AutoTrader or NinjaTrader, same IRT architecture
MPx: correct
MPx: tr_fill is the same for AT or NT correct?
LS_Bill: eliminate which need?
MPx: the need for me as a user to specify all of that in QP and ref line with V3s
MPx: V#s
LS_Bill: TR_FILL is just a token the IRT user may reference in a Signal. It gives access to the current fill price if you are trading the symbol in question
MPx: tie them form the get go
MPx: yes that what UI am saying
MPx: *I
MPx: IRT a this stage already knows what TR_FiLL represents
MPx: understand what i mean?
Dan_T: I am able to get the fills on the charts now, but it is cumbersome using V#s and MPD cash instruments
LS_Bill: sure MPX, as I said earlier, if the Reference LIne indicator is enhanced in the future to more directly tie in with the trading order system, then it would be a good idea to show the entry price and qty without having the user know anything about RTL tokens
MPx: exactly
Terry: Have a question about running intraday scan with IB/DTN. Can you scan a universe larger than the 100 symbols IB allows you to follow, say like 800 stocks?
MPx: you can do that right now
MPx: Dan does
LS_Bill: but that is the future, now, you must use chart Annotation indicators to display these token values in your chart if you wish to see them.
MPx: Reza does
MPx: They do this now Bill with V#
MPx: it's just one step away
Hayden: OK, I've got a twist on this. I've got 68 tiny charts overlapped so that anytime a ref line triggers a trade (to IRT portfolio) it goes....
MPx: lock a few V# for this to be set up
LS_Bill: like I said, when I get to that place...
MPx: V# that the user does not need to see
MPx: when
MPx: lol
MPx: I think you are there now but just don't realize it!
Dan_T: MPx what are you trying to do?
Hayden: But supposing I was doing real trades this way, how and where could I get a button or means of exiting if my charts are too small and too buried?
LS_Bill: right I'm not working on reference lines, I'm working on integrating NinjaTrader into IRT trading orders
MPx: correct Bill
MPx: but....
LS_Bill: NinjaTrader and AutoTrader both have a nice user interface where you can quickly see your position(s) and exit them individually or en masse
MPx: if all the tokens are the same on AT or NT and IRT knows what they are and can monitor for TR_Fill etc et c....consolidate
LS_Bill: IRT also has a trading order type that will close all positions
MPx: Dan
MPx: the same set up you and Reza have
MPx: will be easier to do now
MPx: but...
MPx: I'm trying to eliminate the need for the user to do all of that
Dan_T: the setup has a number of components from ref line moving to fill reporting...
MPx: right
MPx: with the power of IRT's tokens this should already be done internally
Dan_T: MPx I agree that if the setup was easier for the user it would be used a lot more and would be great for others to get at this
MPx: why should I have to tie a REF Line to a specific trade order and ref that with a V# etc
MPx: make preset ref lines and have IRT have preset trade management...eliminate the middle man
Hayden: MPx, small detail, I don't use a V#, just a CI
LS_Bill: MPx, because IRT is like a box of tinker toys. you have to put the pieces together to make things....
Hayden: for Hor Ref line
Dan_T: MPx I have a ref line for stops, targets, entry stops, etc. That part is not too hard using V#s and presets. The stuff behind the scene gets more complicated
LS_Bill: MPx, once the trading order stuff for NinjaTrader is done, some work on reference lines to tie them more directly into trading will be done
MPx: ok let me lay it out....and you tell me how many steps I will have to do to be able to use ref lines on a chart to manage trades...I'm going to show you where the extra stuff can be removed from sight of the user
Hayden: Listening to this debate, it seems like MPx wish to streamline could work but Bill would need to verify that important choices are not lost in the process
MPx: we have all the internal tokens to monitor all of it right?
LS_Bill: MPx once you setup the chart with the buttons, a one time activity, you don't have to do it again.
MPx: yes it can be streamlined Bill
MPx: just one step
Dan_T: Bill, that sounds good. We have talked about the ref line alarms sending in orders...would be helpful
Mike: one sec for chart
Hayden: I'm using ref lines to initiate trades in IRT, and they work perfectly
LS_Bill: right, that's what I'm talking about
MPx: Bill can you make an NT trade control section in IRT that has all the tokens related to trading all preset?
LS_Bill: ref line movement can revise a V# and that V# can be referenced by a trading order
Dan_T: Hayden I need to move the ref lines up and down and have the orders trigger on touch...that is a bit more complicated to set up
Hayden: Understood
MPx: so I select NT managed trades...and then
LS_Bill: What data feed do you use Daniel?
LS_Bill: myTrack?
MPx: yes
Hayden: I'll say it again, I hate to make choices about when to trade, so I am always looking for a Trading system to make the decision for me
LS_Bill: ok, do you see any windows in your IRT having to do with DTN.,IQ or eSignal, or quote.com ?
MPx: no...and the point is?
LS_Bill: The point is that IRT does not need a NT setup and an AT setup, it's already built into the design of the "Trading Order"
LS_Bill: Trading Order is generic
Terry: Bill, any update on the unavailability of data for downloading from DTN until late in the evening? You were checking into it a few weeks ago.
Mike: what is last ER future trade 695.5 still?
LS_Bill: it works with IRT portfolios, AutoTrader, IB direct trading, and now NinjaTrader
MPx: ok Bill I don't think you follow what i am trying to say exactly
LS_Bill: DTN has no plans to change anything on their end Terry. The best I can do is add some functionality to process DTN intraday data to derive the daily open high low close
LS_Bill: that's is on my list, but nothing done on it as yet.
MPx: so...you tell me the steps it would take to set up the ability to trade with ref lines on a chart either through AT or NT and I will show you that the set up on both is exactly the same and you can remove that set up need by streamlining the process
Hayden: Does IB have a problem giving correct data on GAPs as well, The Gap data I get seems askew
Hayden: Often reports a negative gap when chart shows a gap up for the day
MPx: since both AT and NT are suing the same tokens for that and all others will also use that ...
LS_Bill: gap?
LS_Bill: MPx, I've already told you that Ref line trading is something that will be done in the future
LS_Bill: it's not on my plate right now
Hayden: Gap in opening price for the day
LS_Bill: I'm buried in other work, getting NT integrated
MPx: ok Bill...just think it's part of the same thing..correct me if I am wrong
LS_Bill: open price is not a transmitted data value in IB / TWS feed, Hayden. You must be connected at the open time to get the open price for the day.
Dan_T: Bill I did not know you were integrating NT. Great move. I am willing to help with this. You must be using 5.0. What parts are getting integrated?
LS_Bill: and the gap is calculated from whatever IRT has as the open
Mike: Bill AT in position and I get not in pos on feedback request fyi
Hayden: Yes, I know about that, but it seems to also play in how the GAP is reported as well
LS_Bill: the entire NT5 API is being implemented
Dan_T: Sounds great. I have been dreading the move to 5.0 as it will require lots of changes
LS_Bill: I've been testing it with the NT5 simulated trading feature and it works very well, orders are instantly placed
Dan_TL: dll or com?
LS_Bill: DLL interface
Dan_T: instant. Nice.
MPx: if NT and AT integration work with all the current tokens why not have a preset QP for monitoring trades from EITHER choice the user makes WITHOUT having the user need to go though the set up....I select NT managed trades and open a Trading List QP and it's all set up internally in IRT.
LS_Bill: takes about 10 seconds to setup that up Daniel
MPx: thats what I am saying
MPx: if it's that easy
MPx: remove it
LS_Bill: first of all, the Trading List quotepage is the standard page IRT uses in the Order Desk window for trading with AutoTrader and NinjaTrader
MPx: it a step the user doesn't need to see
MPx: right I understand that
Mike: symbol=ER2&localsymbol=ER2H6&sectype=FUT&expiry=200603 &postype=long &qty=2 &bestprice=695.6 &entryprice=695.6 &stopprice=693.6 &targetprice=697.6
Mike: Position in ER2 ignored.
Mike: No AutoTrader Position Open
Mike: IRT should be getting fill Bill
LS_Bill: all it is, is a trading order that specifies the action "Get Market Position" using NInjaTrader as the trading order destination.
Dan_T: Bill Is there a place to read about this NT interface...or too early yet...can you send me text when it is available?
LS_Bill: takes 3 seconds to create this trading order and save it using a present name
MPx: right ...Bill
LS_Bill: then you make a schedule
LS_Bill: that executes that trading order, once every N seconds or whatever
LS_Bill: done
MPx: that also can be removed from the process
MPx: check box
Mike: wonder why I not get feedback Bill?
MPx: monitor trading list yes/no
Mike: seems AT sent it
MPx: BIll I feel and I m sure others agree..you can remove a few of these steps and streamline them by making them already available as preset which are user selectable
LS_Bill: so you just want a user setting instead of having to setup a schedule.
Mike: yes
Mike: monitor live trades yes/no
MPx: yes...and if you bare with me a few minutes I could tell you all i as user would want to do and you can see where and what you could remove from the process
LS_Bill: Well, my approach to things is to offer functionality that can be tailored by the user. First, get the over all architecture working okay...
Hayden: MPx, my suggestion would be that you write it all out in an email to Bill, that way it wouldn't be so chopped up as in chat
LS_Bill: then maybe later, add a "Wizard" that streamlines some of the setup steps
MPx: yes
MPx: exactly
LS_Bill: If I had an army of programmers here all of this would be done in parallel, but I don't
MPx: in one steam lined trading menu
LS_Bill: some predefined charts, setup for auto trading with reference lines and buttons would be another aid to new users
Mike: Antee can't show you chart with ref lines of trades labeled as can't get info from AT position it has open at present
Mike: i have that Bill
Dan_T: Bill I do think it would be good for business if the average user could get the interface working between NT and IRT...the combination is the best anywhere...but the setup right now is too hard for the average user
Mike: buttons for all trades, annotation, fill lines I have all made
Mike: and can share easily
LS_Bill: the file interface yes.
Mike: Dan he fixing all that with the dll
Hayden: Agreed. I looked at NT and didn't even want to try. AT suited me much better. Sorry about that Eddie
LS_Bill: I think this new Trading Order setup is far easier
Dan_T: Mike...sounds great...and talk of a wizard would help new users too
Mike: yes could have info there, and nice placed button to exit etc...
LS_Bill: Dan_T is you review the help info on using AutoTrader you will get a feel for how the NinjaTrader trading order setup will work
Dan_T: Eddie? Where is Eddie?
LS_Bill: no Eddie here ;-)
Mike: not been around in year or so
Hayden: Dunno, but he's the NT man in my book
Dan_T: I worked with Eddie to get this set up and now he has disappeared...
Mike: Bill AT has 4 long now but getposinfo says NO AT position open!
Mike: what you recommend?
LS_Bill: is this an AT managed position?
Mike: yes
MPx: I open IRT and NT..connect the two....go to the trading order menu and select NT managed or IRT managed to NT. Then open a preset Trading order QP which has all the columns already set up with the trading related tokens and names accordingly. I turn on "monitor NT trades" and presto the QP is set. I open a chart and specify monitor 'trading orders" options and which I want to monitor..NT or AT...presto all done.
Mike: symbol=ER2&localsymbol=ER2H6&sectype=FUT&expiry=200603 &postype=long &qty=2 &bestprice=695.6 &entryprice=695.6 &stopprice=693.6 &targetprice=697.6
Mike: Position in ER2 ignored.
Mike: No AutoTrader Position Open
Mike: see Bill!
Mike: can happen Dan
LS_Bill: looks like a bug mike, due to the fact that ER2 is not a known ticker symbol
MPx: yes
Mike: oh ticker on chart is NO`H
Mike: this used to work
Mike: i need ER2 in broker alias maybe?
LS_Bill: yeah try that
Mike: no luck
LS_Bill: using "Get AT POsition Info" command?
Mike: yes
Dan_T: Bill I read some of the help on Autotrader when it came out...is most of this in What's New for some version...or will ctrl F1 find it better...or other help approach?
Mike: i got fill ok I see but I sent that from IRT
LS_Bill: http://www.linnsoft.com/autotrader/
Dan_T: thanks Bill
Mike: http://irtmike.derr.ws/trade.gif
Mike: there is chart with annotation, and fill ref line
LS_Bill: now that we have Google search on our web site you should all bookmark this page: http://www.linnsoft.com/search/index.htm
Mike: done automatically with a query command is all
LS_Bill: you can like your bookmark and type in any words and find LinnSoft specific content
Mike: stop and target lines were supposed to fill in also
LS_Bill: click
Dan_T: Bill Nice move
LS_Bill: I'll test this one Mike, it looks like a bug
Mike: so Bill can you test why IRT does not get pos into from AT on AT initiated position, seems it sending you all correct into
LS_Bill: IRT is not finding ER2 ticker so it is not posting the feedback
Mike: just need ER2 related to NO`H
Mike: yep
Mike: see chart Antee? Dan?
MPx: since the token TR_FIll cannot be use for anything else other that TR_Fill...create a trading interface that gives the user a few choices of AT/NT managed or IRT managed to either AT/NT...and the QP will be a standard one that users can modify. The only other thing to would be to consolidate the TR_ tokens to specific standardized presets such as ref lines and QP column names.
Mike: all buttons at top send orders, one set with confirm dialog and other set no dialog
Dan_T: Mike Not sure what you mean by chart Antee? Did you post a chart somewhere?
MPx: yes Reza has the same thing
Mike: http://irtmike.derr.ws/trade.gif
Mike: there Dan
Dan_T: ok will look
MPx: same as Reza and dan
Mike: NT has multiple stops fyi
MPx: *Dan
Mike: and targets so when you get info need that to be considered
LS_Bill: MIke, I found your problem
Mike: great
LS_Bill: you have to have NO`H setup properly with broker alias
Mike: it is
LS_Bill: ER2H6
LS_Bill: is the alias
LS_Bill: not just ER2
Mike: ER@H6
LS_Bill: wrong
Mike: had that at first
LS_Bill: ER2H6
Mike: ok changed back
Mike: still same though
LS_Bill: now retry the Get AT Position
Mike: same
Mike: no at pos open i see in log
Mike: i restart IRT?
Mike: one sec
LS_Bill: what do you have in NO`H as the expiration date?
Mike: another reason for a rollover command needed bad it seems
Mike: one sec rebooted IRT
Mike: probably whatever NO`Z had
Mike: as rollover i did modify as you know is all!!!
Mike: ok were see that easiest in QP?
LS_Bill: here's how it works, when IRT sees ER2 as the symbol and finds that you do not have that symbol defined...
LS_Bill: it looks at the expiration date and comes up with ER2H6 as the correct symbol...
LS_Bill: if then looks thru all of your futures contracts for the ticker that has ER2H6 as its broker alias
LS_Bill: I'll check this out later, Mike, might be a bug, I can't tell without testing it.
Mike: 3/16/06
LS_Bill: right 3 means H and 06 maps to 6 thus ER2H6
Mike: that in QP column for NO'H
Mike: remember I rolled NO'Z to NO'H via modify
Mike: anything else I should check?
Mike: ER2H6 is broker alias for NO`H fyi
LS_Bill: IRT is using the feedback from AT not the quotepage, it sees &expiry=200603 in the response
LS_Bill: and get H6 from that
Mike: right
Mike: mapping issue this used to work fine
Mike: anyways if need help email me
LS_Bill: ah...
LS_Bill: one more thing mike
Mike: what?
LS_Bill: NO`H MUST RESIDE IN YOUR "Trading List"
Mike: let me look
LS_Bill: apparently you forgot to add it when you rolled over, that's my guess...
Mike: it is not
LS_Bill: right
Mike: need rollover command!
LS_Bill: that's why no feedback
MPx: streamline it
LS_Bill: when dealing with Autotrader feedback IRT only looks in your trading list
MPx: thats my new motto
LS_Bill: this is a very important quotepage for those using AutoTrader and NinjaTrader !
Mike: how add there i forgot!
MPx: yes Bill
Mike: see it
MPx: standardize it
LS_Bill: click the QP button on the main toolbar and choose "Trading LIst"
Hayden: Past midnight here, turning in. Thanks all.........
Mike: N OW WORKS
LS_Bill: nite hayden
Dan_T: Bill, What logic does IRT use to count the bars to calculate MAX(MACD,(n))? (20 period MACD) I am trying to match this to the screen bar count and that is clearly not the right fit. Do I need to adjust for missing bars or something else?
MPx: make a predefined Trading Order /Trading List QP
Mike: one sec new chart
LS_Bill: I do MP x
Dan_T: Say that screen bar count is 100 for example
LS_Bill: click QP button and pick Trading LIst, the QP is created for you automatically if it does not already exist
Mike: http://irtmike.derr.ws/trade.gif
Mike: there now has STOP and target ref lines folks automatically!
MPx: where Bill?
Mike: please think about adding tokens to ref line tiles area Bill, not hard to do I don't think!
LS_Bill: QP button on the Main Toolbar
MPx: ok
LS_Bill: MACD uses a user-specified MA type and the bar count depends on the MA type
Mike: http://irtmike.derr.ws/trade.gif there folks cleaned chart!!!!
MPx: no trading related TR_ tokens in it
Mike: see that Dan?
MPx: its a regular QP not set up with any of the TR_ tokens
MPx: this should be already set up
MPx: see what I mean?
Mike: NT will need multiple stop and target tokens note :)
LS_Bill: that will be a problem Mike, I discovered that already
Dan_T: weighted 20 MA for MACD, but if screen bar count is 100 should not MAX(MACD,(100))be right?
Mike: no problem
Mike: TR_STOP1, 2, 3, 4 etc... TR_TARG1, 2, 3 4
LS_Bill: max 20 needs 20 and MACD needs 100 so 120 is the total needed
Mike: Tr_Fill1, 2, 3
LS_Bill: pretty complex mike, ugh
MPx: I now have to go and set up all the trading related tokens on my own and fumble through the list and figure out which mean what and add them and name them.
Mike: Dan how many stops can NT have?
MPx: All this can be preset
MPx: in the Trading List QP
Mike: Dan I do it all for you
MPx: Mike please...
Mike: your welcome
MPx: I'm trying to make ti user friendly here for new users
MPx: open QP and its all done
Dan_T: Mike in NT 4.0 one stop...which is what I use...but 5.0 allows multiple stops
Mike: how many?
MPx: NT 5 multiple
LS_Bill: I understand you point about all of this MPx,
LS_Bill: I'm just taking this one step at a time, I'll focus on streamlining some of the setup work another day...
MPx: I'm trying to help here Bill..make IRT user friendly
Mike: great
LS_Bill: I understand
Dan_T: Bill, so correct formula should be MAX(MACD,(120)) even though I am looking for the high in the last 100 bars? If there are missing bars do in heed to subtract them using POS sum...or is IRT counting bars with no ticks also?
LS_Bill: I'm just saying that you have a build the bricks and mortar of trading first, then you put the pretty facade on the house
MPx: y
LS_Bill: you don't start with the trim, you lay the foundation
LS_Bill: I'm pouring concrete right now ;-)
MPx: lol
Mike: any xcode2 news update?
Mike: Bill I have a intel Mac cpu available to me :)
Dan_T: Bill That makes sense to me. Have tried to put the trim on to early before and then have to take it apart to put the foundation in first
LS_Bill: Dan_T, IRT is calculating time back based on bar count
Dan_T: Very helpful thanks Bill
Mike: Dan can try STAT command also i think for max
LS_Bill: since ticks are happen with any frequency, we cannot possibly know how far back to go tick count wise
Mike: but i like your command better
Dan_T: Mike, yes, near as I can tell either approach ends up the same. Not sure if one is more efficient?
Mike: ask bill on efficiency or Chad
Mike: .4 profit x 4 lots on my sim trade here! $120
Mike: he he
Dan_T: Bill these are time bars...but some of them do not get a tick so will be missing
Dan_T: small time frame
Mike: Bill might ask Jerry to send PROFIT field also be good please
Dan_T: The reason I ask is that I want to run a MACD on top of another indicator that is often wider, and I want the auto panel screen size set to the MACD. If we had a choice in the scaling to designate a "parent instrument" that would be wonderful to consider. This work around should do for now. Thanks.
Dan_T:"parent indicator" I mean for scaling... not parent instrument
LS_Bill: it's late folks, I have to run, enjoy your evening.
LS_Bill: nite
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