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4:44 pm:<Mike> HI Bill
4:44 pm:<Mike> just about to call your office :)
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> hi, sorry I'm late, had a lot of trouble connecting to irt
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> irc
4:44 pm:<Mike> ah ok
4:44 pm:<Martin> lol
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4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> new router,
4:45 pm:<Mike> Christine left but asked about DTN or IB and opening prices issue?
4:45 pm:<Mike> Hi Duke also
4:45 pm:<Eddy> Hello Bill, hello Duke
4:45 pm:<Dukester> Hey Mike - All
4:45 pm:<Mike> wow great 15 here today!
4:45 pm:<Mike> any IRT news to start with?
4:45 pm:<Dukester> Is that French Fast Eddy..?
4:45 pm:<Ftrader01> oui
4:46 pm:<Ftrader01> one sec / let me keep same nick
4:46 pm:*** unchel has joined us
4:46 pm:<Eddy> ok
4:46 pm:<Dukester> Como Esta..long time no chat,,,
4:46 pm:<Ftrader01> yep indeed
4:46 pm:<Martin> hi unchel
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4:46 pm:<unchel> hello
4:46 pm:<Martin> zone
4:46 pm:<unchel> ok
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> hi eddy, it's been awhile !
4:47 pm:<Dukester> SO what have we missed in the update Mike...
4:47 pm:<Mike> Any good mac osx xvt update news? etc...?
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> I have some good news for OS X users, but it's probably not what you think (mike)
4:48 pm:<Eddy> hi Bill / a while
4:48 pm:<Dukester> You give Chad the week off? :-)
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> Greg Rosen, one of our OS X users, put me on to an Apple developer debugging program called malloc debug
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> and this little tool found about 15 memory leaks inside the XVT product we use, specific to OS X version
4:49 pm:<Eddy> but be aware that I got almost 10 months of question unanswered / with which one should I start with :-)
4:49 pm:<Dukester> Oh no..... more fruit talk... :-)
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> fire away eddy
4:50 pm:<David> MPx--you Daniel?
4:50 pm:<Mike> ah well good. but hope good xvt and xcode2 news soon :)
4:50 pm:<Mike> yes he is Dave
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> anyway, the new release will have a much smaller memory footprint than every before, OS X version should run better all around
4:50 pm:<MPx> yes
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> also Daniel MPx found a leak in the Equi-Indicator, that I have fixed for 8.15
4:50 pm:<MPx> I’m Daniel
4:51 pm:<Dukester> That should keep Mike Happy for about a week Bill :)
4:51 pm:<David> Okay to send you a email MPx?
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> that one is a leak both on OS X and Windows
4:51 pm:<MPx> sure
4:51 pm:<David> MP question
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> Rosen reported that his memory requirements after running for a few hours were about 40% of what he was used to
4:51 pm:<MPx> sure
4:51 pm:<MPx> xclnt
4:52 pm:<Mike> Duke program is well best not say but anyways... not same as on pc I guessing
4:52 pm:<Mike> I have CPU issues as many on macs do
4:52 pm:<Mike> Get into X code, and let apples shark tool help with code also! :)
4:52 pm:<Dukester> I was just giving you a hard time Mike...lol
4:53 pm:<Mike> I see few new names, Berma, Feel free ask questions or issues please...
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> I have also been working on some improvements to IB version for tracking currency quotes, EUR.USD e.g.
4:53 pm:<Eddy> plenty of great improvement I saw... one I appreciated is ability to download only the last X minutes of data / would be very nice to have the corresponding schedule action "download data" having the same X minutes back ability / this way : you may just push a button just after having lost few minutes of data with internet/connection issues for a specific QP
4:54 pm:<Dukester> I just wanted to drop in and wish the Linnsoft crew Merry Christmas
4:54 pm:<Dukester> Take care guys...
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> that's Duke, appreciate the Christmas Cheer
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> thanks
4:54 pm:<Mike> have to run Duke?
4:54 pm:<Dukester> yep got to go. Adios
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4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> Eddy's back after all these months and asking for enhancements already, feels like de ja vu ;-)
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> just kidding Eddy, there are lots of nice things IRT does because of you interactions with Chad and me
4:56 pm:<Mike> x minutes of data not sure vendors provide that
4:56 pm:<Eddy> always enjoyed brainstorming with you guys
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> mytrack for one, they only permit "day at a time" intra-day downloads
4:57 pm:<Eddy> mike : this is a 7.13 new features if I remember well
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> but the others can go down to last N minutes
4:57 pm:<Eddy> I guess this should work with esignal
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> yes it does
4:57 pm:<Eddy> for the record, I remember that esignal was always downloading by default the full data since sesssion start, even only asked for an hour
4:58 pm:<Eddy> may be it behaves well now :-)
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> that's no longer the case, it uses a more precise starting time now
4:58 pm:<Eddy> nice
4:58 pm:<tuna> ok I have one, zones told me his tpo charts will flicker when he moves the cursor over the price
4:59 pm:<tuna> scrolling the price
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5 pm:<tuna> but he’s not here so I guess its no big deal
5 pm:<LS_Bill> is that with the new tpo info box active?
5 pm:<tuna> rifgt
5 pm:<tuna> right
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a lot of new mouse tracking activity when the info box is present
5:01 pm:<tuna> that’s what he said
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> he can turn that off with the tab key I believe
5:01 pm:<MPx> y
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> that is a feature, not a bug
5:01 pm:<tuna> oh
5:01 pm:<tuna> k ill tell him
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> the TPO highlight to show the letter you are on and the current row
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm not the TPO expect, help me out here MPx
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> expert
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> and it also updates the numbers inside the info box as you move the mouse
5:02 pm:<tuna> well he said flickering..
5:02 pm:<tuna> fwiw
5:03 pm:<tuna> but if its supposed to do that ill let him know
5:03 pm:<Mike> if he moving mouse it is repainting updating the data in info box
5:03 pm:<Mike> if mouse is still it maybe should not really flicker
5:03 pm:<MPx> sorry what did I miss
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> right, maybe his hand is trembling a little :-) and that's moving the mouse and the screen in flickering
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll check w/ chad to make sure we not tracking the mouse too closely
5:05 pm:<Mike> I recall he had hotspot for mac mouse wrong also Bill on TPO
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> I looked at that mike and found no problem. hotspot is okay
5:05 pm:<MPx> what’s the problem with the TPO info box?
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> it's using the standard 'arrow cursor' with hot spot at the tip of the arrow
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> someone said the info box was flickering as the mouse moves
5:06 pm:<MPx> info box alone or the whole TPO chart?
5:06 pm:<Mike> mouse ok now it seems yes
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe we're tracking the mouse movements too closely and redrawing excessively, I'll take a look at that later.
5:07 pm:<tuna> zonez mentioned it to me once MPx
5:07 pm:<MPx> whole chart or just the info box?
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> the redraw affects the tpo as well as the info box, letters are highlighted, etc
5:07 pm:<tuna> but he’s not here so its no biggie
5:08 pm:<MPx> video card /driver issue
5:08 pm:<MPx> nothing like that for me on XP or OS X
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, I've got a Christmas party at my house tonight so I have to take off at 5:30 sharp today
5:08 pm:<Eddy> I am thinking about trading orders being managed by a TSYS, and the best way to integrate feedback information from NT or AT / I guess the special token you created for AT like TR_POS or TR_TARG are not historical token ? correct ?
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> OS X has very little flicker because of it's built-in off-screen drawing.
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> not historical
5:09 pm:<Eddy> ok / so question is : how to best update a v# value when a given order is filled and feedback information is sent
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> I now have the NT5 trading order implementation ready for beta testing
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> in 8.1.5 release.
5:09 pm:<Eddy> nice
5:10 pm:<MPx> oh I sent Bill a whole bunch of token ideas and NT consolidation implementation stuff...crossing my fingers that he listens
5:10 pm:<MPx> ;-)
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I have not worked out the NT feedback in full yet however
5:10 pm:<Eddy> lot's of added value possible in this feedback info
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> at present NT provides access via their DLL to average fill price and position size for each instrument
5:10 pm:<MPx> any feedback on that email greatly appreciated there Bill
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I saved it for future reference Daniel
5:11 pm:<MPx> k
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> NT does not at present give stop and target feedback.
5:11 pm:<Eddy> I thought there was more info available on top of these ones
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> I asked them for it, they said it may be awhile
5:11 pm:<Mike> one way to update Eddy is a scan every minute to fill V# with the trade feedback I guessing
5:11 pm:<MPx> it doesn't?
5:11 pm:<MPx> it does with puff file import
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> not via their DLL no
5:12 pm:<MPx> how come not with dll
5:12 pm:<MPx> wow
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> right, but the trading order is build on their new ATI (automatic trading interface) DLL
5:12 pm:<Mike> Bill you get a chance to ask AT Jerry on TRIAL order type?
5:12 pm:<MPx> going one step forward and 2 back
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> just an oversight maybe
5:12 pm:<tuna> MPx did your mytrack feed keep up after the FOMC announcement last week?
5:12 pm:<MPx> yes
5:12 pm:<MPx> perfectly
5:13 pm:<MPx> but I only watch 10 things max on intraday
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> we, NT has such good strategy features, it's not as important from their perspective that IRT actively manage stops and targets
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5:13 pm:<tuna> esignal was minutes behind
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> they are doing all that inside NT
5:13 pm:<LS_Bill> when you submit a trading order to not, you specify an account and optionally a strategy to use for the position when filled
5:13 pm:<tuna> it never caught up either
5:13 pm:<Eddy> target and stop not the issue I think
5:13 pm:<MPx> yeah but it will become very confusing you have each do it's own thing no?
5:14 pm:<Eddy> but for example getting market position is important
5:14 pm:<MPx> 3 target and stop levels
5:14 pm:<Eddy> in MarketPosition(string instrument, string account)
5:14 pm:<Mike> well IRT should have stop and targets for many reasons, for TSYS, and to manage trades from chart lines
5:14 pm:<MPx> that will need to be shown on/in IRT
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> NT has strategy templates where you define how you want your position managed, stops targets, trailing stops, etc.
5:14 pm:<Mike> agree Dan
5:15 pm:<MPx> yes Bill
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> look I don't disagree, I'm just reporting to you that IRT does not have access to stops and targets using the new NT DLL
5:15 pm:<MPx> so then IRT will only submit orders and c'est toute?
5:15 pm:<MPx> oh no no I understand that
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> I have asked NT to implement a function that will give this feedback to IRT
5:15 pm:<MPx> just wondering why they did that
5:15 pm:<MPx> shessh
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> they said they would but it may be awhile
5:15 pm:<MPx> k
5:16 pm:<Mike> MPX email and ask Ray then :)
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> you can submit orders, monitor order status, adjust standing orders
5:16 pm:<MPx> man I asked him about plans to port NT to OS X..
5:16 pm:<Mike> David, Berna others any Questions? issues? comments?
5:16 pm:<MPx> asking him nada
5:16 pm:<Mike> Christmas wishes ???
5:16 pm:<MPx> ok
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> I am in communication with the NT folks on this, no need to bombard them
5:16 pm:<Eddy> Bill, could we get the feedback about a given order status ?
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> yes you can get feedback on any order
5:17 pm:<MPx> my main concern right now with NT is I want to trade off of it only but have IRT show all that is going on re orders/position etc
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> and you can for example, adjust the limit or stop price of an order
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> if you don't want NT to do any strategy for you, then you can place all your orders and manage them from IRT side
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> you set your own targets and stops in that case
5:18 pm:<Eddy> ok, we just need to be able to specify the order ID if I m correct to do that
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> and manage those in V# variables or whatever
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5:18 pm:<Mike> Hi Nick
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> each order has a unique id, when you submit a trading order, IRT will prompt you to pick the order you wish to modify or cancel
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> that applies to the "change order" or "cancel order" actions
5:19 pm:<Eddy> ok, but I need to manage automatically within a TSYS
5:19 pm:<Nick> HI mike
5:19 pm:<LS_Bill> but if you use an NT strategy template to allow NT to actively manage your stops and targets, then all you can do is monitor the one going status of the position
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> Eddy, you can just use orders without specifying a strategy
5:20 pm:<MPx> ok...that’s what I want....to see all that has going.
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> then it's up to you to send stop or target orders
5:20 pm:<MPx> trade off NT have IRT show all that is going on
5:21 pm:<Mike> but then TSYS knows the stop order id Bill?
5:21 pm:<MPx> so I'll have to wait until they add feedback then
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> I told Ray I want to be able to get NT current stop and target so I can allow IRT charts to show ref lines on these
5:21 pm:<Eddy> I understand
5:21 pm:<MPx> right
5:21 pm:<Mike> right Bill there might be 3 stops and 3 targets I hear. so TR_STOP1...3
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> each order is assigned a unique order id by IRT
5:21 pm:<MPx> 3 level up and down
5:22 pm:<tuna> sounds nice
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> so this will be tricky to put into a TSYS because the tsys will not know the order id's
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> if there is only one working order, IRT can find it's id automatically when you issue a change order or cancel order
5:23 pm:<Mike> well guess TSYS will need to for sure
5:23 pm:<Eddy> my concern
5:23 pm:<Eddy> main issue even
5:23 pm:<Mike> yep
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> however, if there are several working orders, IRT must prompt the user at the time the trading order is about to be submitted
5:23 pm:<Mike> Eddy will TSYS initial each order right?
5:23 pm:<Nick> Bill-I did not understand in your email----where is the underlying symbol and currency field located, I do not see it in symbol setup
5:24 pm:<Mike> then maybe TSYS can keep track of the order id
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> the underlying symbol and currency fields cannot be edited in Setup: Instruments. They are not present there.
5:24 pm:<Mike> in setup futures I think Nick
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> These fields at present can only be viewed and edited in quote page cells
5:25 pm:<Eddy> is an OCA order considered as a single order ?
5:25 pm:<Nick> how do I input the info you ref, to in email
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> For forex quotes when you add a ticker like EUR.USD, with sec type Forex, IRT will set the underlying to EUR and the currency to USD for you
5:25 pm:<Eddy> so that IRT could find back its id easily...
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> this will be done in 8.1.5 if I can, otherwise it may be next release
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> Nick, open a quote page containing your forex symbols
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> add the two columns "Underlying Symbol" and "Currency" to the quote page
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5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> at present these fields are used only for futures, that will change in 8.1.5 where forex symbols can have these as well
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> you can't do much until 8.1.5 comes out Nick
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.1.4 just doesn't handle these currency quotes with IB
5:28 pm:<Mike> last few minutes of chat reminder...
5:28 pm:<MPx> Eddy tes jumeaux te laisse dormir?
5:28 pm:<Mike> Hi Greg
5:28 pm:<Greg> hi
5:28 pm:<Eddy> daniel : ils dorment bien maintenant..
5:28 pm:<MPx> ahh
5:28 pm:<MPx> good
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5:28 pm: Greg (Fremont.CA.US.Othernet.org [65.19.161.47] Fremont, CA Othernet IRC Server)
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5:29 pm:<Mike> Party at LS_Bills tonight :)
5:29 pm:<MPx> lol
5:29 pm:<Eddy> Damned, one is awake now, brb
5:29 pm:<MPx> ok
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> ;-) neighborhood Christmas open house, we do it every year
5:29 pm:<MPx> lol
5:29 pm:<Nick> I added the columns to quote page it will not hold the underlying symbol-it goes blank after hitting enter
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> right Nick, they will hold once you are using 8.1.5 (to be released soon)
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> I've fixed all that for 8.1.5
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5:30 pm:<MPx> hmm I changed session on an inst and it wiped 2 days of tick data
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> the underlying symbol is only shown for futures and options at present, not forex symbols, that's why it disappears
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> the Verify Historical Data function removes "out of session" ticks
5:32 pm:<MPx> ouch
5:32 pm:<Mike> 5:32 est. any last things???
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> that's why we have "override sessions" Daniel. The session of the instrument represents the trading times for which you wish to keep data...
5:33 pm:<MPx> yeah Bill you get my reply with vista taff error?
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I have to go carve some poultry ;-)
5:33 pm:<Mike> del that file Dan is all
5:33 pm:<MPx> yeah Bill I wanted to move from 9:30-4:15 to a 24 hr session it wiped all the data
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> I could not duplicate that MPx, no vista problem here
5:34 pm:<MPx> ok...I'm back to memory eater version until final then
5:34 pm:<MPx> cant get it to load
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> mike, there is an OS X 8.1.4c installer in the fix folder (www.linnsoft.com/dl/osx/fix/)
5:34 pm:<LS_Bill> that has the memory leak fixes for OS X
5:34 pm:<Mike> ok great
5:34 pm:<Mike> I wait for new xvt code 2 version :)
5:34 pm:<MPx> lol
5:35 pm:<LS_Bill> try it and see if you get a vista taf error,
5:35 pm:<Mike> ok
5:35 pm:<MPx> buy XP version run it on Mactel
5:35 pm:<MPx> bye bye OS X
5:35 pm:<LS_Bill> I spoke w/ XVT. They do not have anything that will enable applications to run under Intel.
5:36 pm:<MPx> yeah too bad
5:36 pm:<Mike> they in Xcode 2 though
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> but they have at least gotten their source code over to Xcode which is the first step
5:36 pm:<Eddy> OK, we will need to find out a smart way of managing order ID with TSYS / otherwise - TSYS added value will be lost
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> after that, it's probably many man months of work to revise xvt so it will run
5:36 pm:<Mike> if xvt in Xcode2, Xcode2 support intel chip
5:36 pm:<LS_Bill> right eddy, I agree
5:37 pm:<MPx> yes but Mike it won't compile
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> maybe the solution is to open up the trading order to allow you to specify your own order id for each trade
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5:37 pm:<MPx> for intel chip unless it has universal binaries
5:37 pm:<Eddy> I was thinking exactly at that option :-)
5:37 pm:<Mike> well Xcode2 cac at least do a G5 chip specific compile
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> that way you could setup a series of trading orders that are interrelated via a common order id
5:38 pm:<MPx> will only compile for what we already have and we can at least get G5 optimized version for sure.
5:38 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT may have to tack on something to the id you specify to make it unique but the part you supply would be enough to tie things together
5:38 pm:<Eddy> the ID being stored in a V# managed by the TSYS
5:38 pm:<MPx> understand Mike?
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> that's a good idea, it would have to be a T# since order id's are alphanumeric in NT5
5:39 pm:<Eddy> still only 32 T# :-)
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, still 32
5:39 pm:<LS_Bill> but you can now have up to 1000 scans ;-)
5:39 pm:<Mike> he he lol
5:40 pm:<MPx> lock the IDs to a reserved T#...remove the setup
5:40 pm:<Eddy> but in fact zillions as one may use T#(FAKESTOCKNAME)
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> right, there you go
5:40 pm:<LS_Bill> I wish I could stay longer, but I do have to go, special time of year...
5:41 pm:<Mike> agree Thanks for time Bill
5:41 pm:<MPx> you're not Jewish Bill?
5:41 pm:<Eddy> I reached these ways 700 V# in my latest revision
5:41 pm:<Mike> Very Merry Christmas
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> I want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas, and happy holiday
5:41 pm:<Mike> say log please
5:41 pm:<Mike> save
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> saving log now...
5:41 pm:<MPx> yes same to you and yours