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4:33 pm:<Hayden> Hi all
4:33 pm:<Steve_W> Is that Eddy - ?
4:33 pm:<Steve_W> from Belgium?
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> hello everyone, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
4:33 pm:<MPx> hi---hi hiccup hi...heloo
4:33 pm:<Steve_W> 2 u 2
4:34 pm:<MPx> same to your and yours
4:34 pm:*** js has joined us
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you want to talk about today?
4:34 pm:<Hayden> Guess? Crashes
4:35 pm:<js> T&S. Does IRT print only sales or can it also print changes to B&A sizes?
4:35 pm:<Steve_W> Peace on Earth IRT is running fine
4:35 pm:<MPx> NinjaTrader on going implementation
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> I am at a loss to explain Hayden. I am unable to replicate IB crash problem
4:35 pm:<Hayden> Weird.
4:36 pm:<Hayden> But couldn't it have to do with my special thing with DTN?
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> Ninja destination is still beta test, lots more to do
4:36 pm:<MPx> ok
4:36 pm:<Steve_W> Fly him to DenmARK Hayden -perhaps the crashes are location specific
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> no Hayden, that has been fixed in 8.1.5
4:36 pm:<MPx> just wanted to know where the next bit of code is taking you
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> ah yes, a little vacation in Copenhagen would be great
4:36 pm:<Steve_W> :-)
4:36 pm:<Hayden> Wish I could send you the ticket.
4:37 pm:<Hayden> If you make it over, I'd be glad to show you the city
4:37 pm:<Hayden> We have Tivoli, which inspired Disney for Disneyland :-) but seriously
4:37 pm:<Steve_W> Bill could Hayden be running irt/ib on a different setup of ib ...a European feed that is slightly different?
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> well maybe you should just send in your database so I can run your system.
4:38 pm:<Hayden> OK, I'll have to go back to get the details, which files you need zipped
4:39 pm:<MPx> anyone set up the VIX on IB yet?
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a web page that has the instructions, go to www.linnsoft.com/search and enter "email database"
4:39 pm:<Hayden> You did see the "code 0" at the moment IRT crashes
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> error code 0?
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> the error location you sent me was off the map, no lead on where the problem is
4:40 pm:<Hayden> Yes, in the msglg. Hang on........
4:40 pm:<Eddy01> hello everyone / just in / Steve : yep : this is me..
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> MPx, did you find some duplicate symbols?
4:40 pm:<MPx> y
4:40 pm:<MPx> thnx
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, that explains the shifting sands
4:40 pm:<Hayden> 18:43 09 IB TWS read thread ended with code 0.
4:40 pm:<MPx> y
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> that's normal Hayden
4:41 pm:<Hayden> OK, it didn't look good
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> that message just means that the feed as stopped
4:42 pm:<Hayden> OK, I'll keep quiet for now and get the database ready. Thanks
4:44 pm:<MPx> any manage to set up IB with the Vix?
4:44 pm:<Eddy01> never watch it thru IB
4:44 pm:<LS_Bill> MPx, do you have it quoting in TWS ?
4:45 pm:<MPx> yes
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> right-click on symbol in TWS and choose "contract details"
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> what does it say for Exchange and sec type?
4:45 pm:<MPx> Index CBOSE
4:45 pm:<MPx> ops
4:45 pm:<MPx> Cboe
4:45 pm:<MPx> copied those settings
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> CBOE / Index
4:46 pm:<MPx> y
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> and no quotes in IRT at all?
4:46 pm:<MPx> for some odd reason the exchange keeps going to BFE
4:46 pm:<MPx> right none
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> it will only quote if override exchange is CBOE
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> is this another case of having two VIX instruments in .all symbols
4:47 pm:<MPx> yes did that and applied several times
4:48 pm:<MPx> going to relaunch...see if a double shows up
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> there is no way the exchange wolud go back to BFE, you must have a duplicate gremlin in there
4:48 pm:<MPx> nope ..no double
4:48 pm:<MPx> and relaunched and reverts to BFE again
4:49 pm:<MPx> deleting and redoing
4:49 pm:<MPx> see what happens
4:49 pm:<js> Questions. Are there predefined lines for marking daily high/low, yesterday hi/low for bar charts?
4:49 pm:<js> T&S. Does IRT print only sales or can it also print changes to B&A sizes?
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> there is an indicator for "bar lines" that has something like that, see Ref Line Indicator
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> checkmark the bar lines checkbox in the setup for a ref line
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> or you can add individual ref lines pegged to high or low, previous close
4:51 pm:<js> ok
4:51 pm:<MPx> ok that gremlin eradicated
4:51 pm:<MPx> now....
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> to get yesterday high or low lines you can define trivial custom indicators to get those
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> if you want to ref daily bar data in an intraday chart, use the MPD (Mixed Periodicity Data) indicators to create a CI pegged to previous day's high or low
4:53 pm:<zonez> HI Bill Happy New Year! How does the IRT clock work, the first minute of the open is important to me, does it use IB time or sys time?
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> the IB version of IRT uses your computer click to time stamp each trade
4:54 pm:<zonez> thx
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> IB does not send a "trade time" indication in real-time stream
4:55 pm:<MPx> there is a problem in TPO charts where the volume histogram that is suppose to appear in the background of the letters will not draw in in the IB version.
4:55 pm:<LS_Bill> however, if you backfill one minute bars later in the session, the bars will reflect IB server time of trade.
4:56 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, glad to read you will be able to include T#s as strategy names reference for the trading order to Ninja ..
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> that TPO histogram has something to do with the "rainbow" option, you using that?
4:56 pm:<MPx> yes
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, eddy, that will be in next release
4:57 pm:<MPx> in the IB version it has a bug with Rainbow?
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> no, I think the histogram does not show when rainbox is selected. change the color and see.
4:57 pm:<MPx> wow
4:57 pm:<MPx> this is IB specific?
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't recall why that is, it's not specific to IB no
4:58 pm:<Eddy01> great Bill
4:58 pm:<MPx> because all only use rainbow and have been since day one
4:58 pm:<MPx> OS X and XP on Mytrack no problem
4:58 pm:<zonez> Rainbow is each ltr a diff color?
4:58 pm:<MPx> y
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
4:58 pm:<MPx> it shows up on Mytrack version
4:59 pm:<zonez> mine work but faint
4:59 pm:<MPx> with rainbow
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> Well, I have a vague recollection that rainbow causes histogram to be faint or invisible
4:59 pm:<Hayden> Be back shortly
4:59 pm:*** Hayden has left
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> it's a byproduct of the way TPO's does automatic shading
5 pm:<MPx> oh oh
5 pm:<MPx> something not right here
5 pm:<MPx> in the Mytrack OS X and XO version with a rainbow white background I have ZERO problems showing the histogram
5 pm:<MPx> XO=XP
5:01 pm:<MPx> this is the first time I am seeing it disappear
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> on my Windows XP machine, vol histogram is very dim
5:01 pm:<MPx> only difference is I m using IB
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> chad talked about adding a histo color option to give user's more control
5:02 pm:<MPx> has to be an IB specific issue I can show you side by side pics of Mytrack and IB with the exact same settings Bill on the same computer
5:02 pm:<MPx> IB no show
5:02 pm:<MPx> Mytrack perfect
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> OS X for both?
5:03 pm:<MPx> XP
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> I think OS X histogram shading is easier to see than Win XP
5:03 pm:<MPx> lol
5:03 pm:<MPx> Bill you don't follow me
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> for some reason, I'll look into it
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> XP for both?
5:03 pm:<MPx> I run XP also
5:04 pm:<MPx> yes I'm testing XP/IB now
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> TPO has no awareness of which feed is providing the data
5:04 pm:<MPx> I run OS X and XP on Mytrack and they are perfect
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm on XP now and the vol historgram is very faint
5:05 pm:<MPx> I run XP/IB and Mytrack on the same machine side by side and IB does not show up
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> must be some other setting difference then
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> email me the TPO def you are using
5:06 pm:<MPx> i should be able to run IB and Mytrack on the same machine right?
5:06 pm:<MPx> 2 version of ORT
5:06 pm:<MPx> of IRT
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, maybe this is just a matter of no volume in the IB context, what is the TPO chart using for ticker?
5:06 pm:<MPx> any
5:06 pm:<MPx> ES or ER
5:07 pm:<MPx> ESH6
5:07 pm:<MPx> ER2H6
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> look at the data, are you seeing reasonable volume data?
5:07 pm:<MPx> yep
5:07 pm:<MPx> just the histo wont show it
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, save the chart def and email it to me and I'll get back to you
5:08 pm:<MPx> k
5:08 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, outside the current IRT-NT developments, what are you main plan for 2006 in term of potential improvement for IRT in 2006 ? I have missed many many chats this year .. I am still busy testing lots of your new 8.0 and 8.1 features, but do you have already some main ideas in mind ?
5:09 pm:*** Mike has joined us
5:09 pm:<Mike> hi al l
5:09 pm:<Mike> $
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5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> I don't have an agenda for 2006, at least not one that is detailed at the feature level
5:10 pm:<Mike> we can make you one he he
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> trading integration is high on the list, continued refinement of what we already have
5:10 pm:<zonez> Bill, thank you for the great work on IRT/MP I continue to recommend the product w/confidence. Happy New Year. May you and your find health & prosperity
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm sure you can Mike, can you say "playback?"
5:11 pm:<Mike> Xcode2, Intel Appel chip, Ninja, Playback, he he
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> thanks zonez
5:11 pm:<Mike> i will have to make you email of ideas for playback thoughts
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> hats off the Chad Payne, he's done a wonderful job on the TPO development
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> off to
5:11 pm:<Mike> need to advertise TPO stuff
5:11 pm:<zonez> & may the wolverines have a better year too!!!
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> yeah
5:12 pm:<zonez> lol
5:12 pm:<Mike> even free what's new in TASC magazines in back area monthly
5:12 pm:<Eddy01> i am not a TPO fan, but looks like VERY INTERESTING FEATURES for tpo users
5:12 pm:<MPx> dang
5:12 pm:<MPx> I lost volume histogram in Mytrack version also now
5:12 pm:<MPx> XP
5:13 pm:<MPx> sheehs
5:13 pm:<Mike> here is from christine:
5:13 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: wanted to ask about JPY....can't get it to display in IRT using IB.....can't get historical to work from DTN
5:13 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: japanese yen and british pound
5:13 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, if you ever work on playback, don't forget to make sure this is a full tick by tick complete market replay (instead of doing it for a given instrument only)
5:13 pm:<Mike> yes Eddy
5:14 pm:<Mike> maybe I email you playback ideas
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm working on improving IRT IB version for forex, some of that done in 8.1.5
5:14 pm:<Mike> I think playback from Tick files be best idea
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> JPY.USD has to be setup as Forex type, with exchange IDEALPRO (I think), and the underlying symbol must be JPY and the currency must be USD
5:15 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: japanese yen....also prob with british pound
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> these setups must be manually setup at present
5:15 pm:<Mike> ok Christine having troubles she saying
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm working on automating some of that
5:15 pm:<Eddy01> and, while being there may be one day, to make it compatible with Ninja playback features :-) so that you have a full simulated market environment ie chart & signals generation on IRT AND order management platform on NT
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> there are two data columns "Underlying Symbol" and "Currency" that must be setup for Forex symbols
5:15 pm:<MPx> ah ha!
5:16 pm:<LS_Bill> once Christine sets those fields up, JPY.USD and others will quote in 8.1.5
5:16 pm:<MPx> there is a bug when using Rainbow now which wasn't there before
5:17 pm:<MPx> I ALWAYS use rainbow and have been since over 2 years and the histogram showed up fine
5:17 pm:<Mike> Bill can you email her details if you can?
5:17 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: not trading forex
5:17 pm:<MPx> now for some reason which most likely showed up when the info box was added it disappears.
5:17 pm:<LS_Bill> I thought JPY/USD was a forex
5:18 pm:<MPx> any pair is dorex
5:18 pm:<MPx> forex*
5:18 pm:<Mike> no idea Bill I pasting  from her yahoo im
5:18 pm:<MPx> then it's one symbol not two Mike
5:18 pm:<MPx> must mean 2 symbols
5:18 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: not trading forex
5:18 pm:<Mike> miketradr: they quote on what globex?
5:18 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: y
5:18 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: i have put in the correct dtn symbol....but no historical data comes in
5:18 pm:<MPx> JPY and USD
5:19 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: i have put in the correct dtn symbol....but no historical data comes in
5:19 pm:<Mike> cafedenuit2: dtn does not say globex is the exchange....but IB does
5:20 pm:<Mike> I pass all to Bill in chat so you and or him o r someone who knows and can test needs to solve issue here somehow
5:20 pm:<Mike> Eddy does Ninja playback from text files?
5:20 pm:<MPx> ok found the TPO histogram bug problem
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> Christine should email the particulars to support, either that or join our chat
5:21 pm:<Mike> right she has problems joining I agree
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> what's that MPx ?
5:21 pm:<MPx> it's not rainbow or any other color that causes the histogram to disappear...it's by using the background set to "white"
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> ok
5:22 pm:<MPx> was fine before
5:22 pm:<MPx> so white blocks it somehow
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm using white here and it shows, although faintly
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> again, this is an automatic color selection, a shading of the color you pick for the letters
5:23 pm:<MPx> with rainbow?
5:23 pm:<Eddy01> Mike , not sure this is saved as text files / it is using recorded files made by NT
5:23 pm:<Mike> best let user set all colors in TPO be good fix
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> that's why this was problematic for rainbow since there was no one color to shade for the vol histogram
5:23 pm:<MPx> yes but Bill this is anew bug!
5:23 pm:<MPx> lol
5:23 pm:<MPx> was fine before the info box was added
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> adding user color spec for the histogram is a good idea, it's been discussed
5:24 pm:<MPx> I've used rainbow for 2 years
5:24 pm:<Eddy01> Mike, but file can be generated as well using Esignal historical servers
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> could be MPX, perhaps something broke when info box was added.
5:24 pm:<MPx> y
5:24 pm:<Mike> ok Eddy well most idea for IRT to support or sue a few different playback file types
5:25 pm:<Mike> I make a sepc Eddy will email it to you in week or so ok?
5:25 pm:<Eddy01> ok
5:25 pm:<Eddy01> ok, got a very precise question for Bill
5:25 pm:<Mike> same ole email address works?
5:26 pm:<Eddy01> yep
5:26 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, could you just confirm that there is no practical issue calculating signal (in a TSYS) involving an ARRAY token which would be populated live, based on a SET statement managed by a TSYS running on a 100 tick chart for ex ? (ie SET statement updated one a bar) -- Indeed, in ARRAY information, you mention only it use within backtest, not within live TSYS ...
5:26 pm:<MPx> and isn't the background always supposed to be grey?
5:26 pm:<MPx> its turning some funky colors now
5:26 pm:<Eddy01> not a new user question for sure :-)
5:27 pm:<Mike> nost sure if array needs to be set in a prev method before actual TSYS
5:27 pm:<Mike> not
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5:27 pm:<Mike> be good to set array in backtest say first rule then it available for rest of backtest!
5:28 pm:<Mike> but array would et reset every iteration is issue I recall Eddy
5:28 pm:<Mike> Bill or Chad know best though
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> Eddy, I have not looked at the ARRAY stuff in more than six months, seems not many use this powerful facility and I've had no reason to
5:28 pm:<Hayden> Bill, file sent. Maybe in the next couple of days
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> I can't answer off the top of my head.
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> thanks Hayden
5:29 pm:<Eddy01> ok, but on the paper, ARRAY could be used "live"
5:29 pm:<Eddy01> not only for backtest
5:30 pm:<Hayden> Would love to have someone point out good uses for ARRAY, if anyone so inclined
5:30 pm:<Mike> Eddy might be best send email to Chad I think he made Array things
5:30 pm:<Nick> Bill-is there a setting on charts to have them automatically backfill when opening rather than go through the download data procedure
5:30 pm:<Mike> for backtesting and optis Hayden to avoid recaculating something every iteration.
5:31 pm:<Mike> yes Nick it is a preference I need to look which pref menu though and my IRT is down at present :)
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> I did much of the programming of the ARRAY indicator, based on discussions from chad, who was in discussions with Eddy at the time, as I recall....
5:32 pm:<Eddy01> lol
5:32 pm:<Mike> he he yeah funny huh!
5:32 pm:<MPx> where is Chad?
5:32 pm:<Hayden> Sounds a little circular to me
5:32 pm:<MPx> h ok?
5:32 pm:<Eddy01> anyway, going to test it intensively :-)
5:32 pm:<MPx> he ok?
5:33 pm:<LS_Bill> Chads fine.
5:33 pm:<MPx> ok there's something deeper in that answer
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5:33 pm:<MPx> lol
5:33 pm:*** js has left
5:33 pm:<Mike> find it Nick?
5:34 pm:<MPx> i can see it!
5:34 pm:<Hayden> Nick - go to Charts, General and see option for % of missing data, I use 95% to be sure for automatic backfill
5:34 pm:<Mike> thanks Hayden
5:34 pm:<tuna> that er2 spike looks like it needs to be revisited
5:34 pm:<tuna> oops wrong room
5:34 pm:<Mike> Dale, glars, Nick other questions?...
5:35 pm:<Mike> anyone...?
5:35 pm:<MPx> I'm wondering if the CME tick data changes are effecting the TPO histograms
5:35 pm:<Nick> i have it set to 99%-still no auto backfill-I have to go to download data etc.
5:35 pm:<MPx> I will let you know Bill later on when I get my laptop back tonight and check which version of IRT I am running on it
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> Nick, the auto download only occurs when the chart is initially opened, and it pertains to traditional charts only, not TPO and other specialty charts.
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> well, wait a sec
5:37 pm:<tuna> it effects a real fast tic chart, but i don't see why it would effect a tpo chart
5:37 pm:<LS_Bill> it should work for non-traditional as well, upon initial open
5:39 pm:<tuna> or any other chart MPx
5:40 pm:<Nick> does not work for me on TPO
5:40 pm:<MPx> auto download does not work for TPO
5:40 pm:<MPx> You don't want it to
5:40 pm:<MPx> TPO charts are Tick based
5:41 pm:<MPx> minute charts on auto download will wipe your TPO ticks
5:41 pm:<MPx> turn it off
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> I'll look into that, the code that the traditional charts use for auto downloading is written to support other chart types as well
5:42 pm:<MPx> Bill can you lock the data on TPO charts not to wipe and replace when downloading minute data?
5:42 pm:<Nick> MPx-cant auto download use tick data
5:42 pm:<MPx> nope
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> right, if you auto download one minute bars for one chart, those one minute bars will replace your tick data
5:43 pm:<Mike> yes that can be avoided someday you think Bill?
5:43 pm:<Mike> or data structure makes it totally impossible?
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> since TPO needs ticks for best results, and because tick data downloads are problematic, at least for some data sources, we elected to suppress auto downloading
5:43 pm:<MPx> minute and a tick data bas is the only way
5:44 pm:<Nick> can tick auto tick chart downloading be turned on
5:46 pm:<MPx> well the problem with it on is that it will freeze IRT in a download mode while the market is open if you mistakenly forget to turn off auto download
5:46 pm:<MPx> lets say you have a 20 day tick based chart open
5:46 pm:<MPx> takes time to get all that tick data
5:46 pm:<MPx> while IRT is ruunning
5:46 pm:<MPx> running
5:47 pm:<MPx> so that's why they turned auto tick download permanently off
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> sounds right, MPx
5:47 pm:<MPx> you can set up a schedule of something to get around it I believe
5:48 pm:<Nick> on the IB/forex backfill problem is it possible the program is requesting last from IB and there is no last?- can it be changed to request bid.
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> I haven't looked into why IB backfill is not working yet. I'll have this fixed one way or the other in the next release.
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> my hope is that IB is giving bid/ask with no last price, it will then be easy to map the bid into the last.
5:49 pm:<MPx> now about the NT ddl
5:50 pm:<LS_Bill> is anyone else beta testing the NinjaTrader DLL besides Eddy and MPx ?
5:51 pm:<MPx> I mentioned that I can send trades across my network from XP/NT to OS X/TWS and it works no problem...next step is I should be able to get OS X/IRT to get TWS/IB status correct?
5:52 pm:<MPx> yes I believe dan tillemans is
5:52 pm:<Eddy01> yep
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> I'm not following you. NT is a windows only application
5:52 pm:<MPx> yes on my PC
5:52 pm:<Eddy01> i run everything on W2k / not sure how MP does
5:52 pm:<MPx> but it sends trades to my OS X TWS
5:52 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT uses a Windows DLL to talk to NT
5:52 pm:<MPx> on a separate machine
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, so NT can talk to IB over on OS X
5:53 pm:<Mike> right IRT should be able to send across ip your own network to find ninja maybe
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> that's fine
5:53 pm:<MPx> yes
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> but IRT is talking only to NT
5:53 pm:<MPx> can OS X IRT get TWS status?
5:53 pm:<LS_Bill> no, IRT talks to NT via a DLL, the ATI (autotrading interface) DLL
5:53 pm:<MPx> without AT?
5:54 pm:<MPx> oh so there is no way to by pass AT in the OSX version and go straight to IB/TWS
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you mean by TWS Status?
5:54 pm:<MPx> trade status
5:54 pm:<MPx> you know like how we can use pass through mode
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT talks directly to IB/TWS only in the IB version of IRT.
5:54 pm:<MPx> ah ha
5:55 pm:<MPx> open it up then!
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT does not talk to TWS for trading, it uses AutoTrader as the conduit
5:55 pm:<Eddy01> right now / testing the ability to have both esig and IB feed on Ninja / many new stuff with ninja version 5 / problem is that one need to have Ninja and IRT on same machine if one want to use esig as well on Ninja
5:55 pm:<MPx> we should be able to trade to TWS/IB from any version for trades
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> you can
5:55 pm:<MPx> data is a different story
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> but we only provide that via autotrader
5:55 pm:<MPx> right
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT plus AutoTrader works with any real-time data source on windows or mac os x
5:56 pm:<Eddy01> Ninja really supporting many datafeed & broker
5:56 pm:<Eddy01> but indeed Ninja is windows only
5:56 pm:<MPx> but there has to be a way to bypass AT altogether
5:56 pm:<MPx> yeah I know that
5:57 pm:<MPx> if I can use XP NT and OS X TWS and they work fine I'm sure there is a way to get OS X to see what TWS is doing without AT
5:58 pm:<Eddy01> i only really keep a single window open in IB, the execution list one.. for double check / remaining is on Ninja
5:58 pm:<MPx> same here
5:58 pm:<LS_Bill> I elected to collaborate with AutoTrader for all IB trading related communications. I selected AT to eliminate these details from IRT and because AT is crossplatform WIN and OSX
5:58 pm:<MPx> yes I am aware of that
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> I have no interest in getting bogged down with IB trading communications, or I would have done it in the first place
5:59 pm:<MPx> but the data feed by passes AT altogether right?
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> what?
5:59 pm:<MPx> IRT < > TWS
5:59 pm:<Eddy01> fully agree with that Bill
5:59 pm:<MPx> you're using the TWS api
5:59 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT talks to TWS directly for real-time data reception and backfill
6 pm:<LS_Bill> right using the TWS API
6 pm:<MPx> You don't want to go a little more direct?
6 pm:<MPx> just for feedback only?
6 pm:<LS_Bill> No. as I said above
6 pm:<MPx> sheesh
6 pm:<MPx> they make it simple
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> What is the need you are trying to fill here. Can you be specific?
6:01 pm:<LS_Bill> You want to talk to Ninjatrader from OS X ?
6:02 pm:<MPx> I want IRT/OS X to see what TWS is doing but I want to trade on a pro platform like NT
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> You want to talk to TWS for order status from OS X ?
6:02 pm:<MPx> no need for OS X to talk to NT
6:02 pm:<MPx> yes
6:02 pm:<MPx> exactly
6:02 pm:<MPx> without AT
6:02 pm:<Mike> Dan stops and targets are held in NJ not tws though right?
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> so you want your Windows machine to do the trading via NT
6:03 pm:<MPx> market stops yes
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> but you want your OS X machine to "know" what's going on
6:03 pm:<MPx> yes I use XP/NT to trade across a network of TWS on different machines
6:03 pm:<MPx> yes
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> you have more than one TWS running then?
6:03 pm:<MPx> yes
6:04 pm:<MPx> 3
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> and you want IRT to be able talk to all of them and find out your position status?
6:04 pm:<MPx> NT can connect to multiple
6:04 pm:<MPx> yes
6:04 pm:<Eddy01> Dan, that's not a very common combination :-)
6:04 pm:<Mike> why not IRT osx query NT then Dan? maybe that easier?
6:05 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, your key work was on the trading order feature design / this is so nice to see today that we can finally use Ninjatrader as destination (thanks to the new Ninja DLL), avoiding the complicating OIF text file step...
6:05 pm:<MPx> yes the dll is good addition
6:05 pm:<Eddy01> while the trading order features was designed 2 yrs ago or so
6:05 pm:<Mike> agree Edy
6:05 pm:<Eddy01> that's very nice anticipation
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> well, if NT is the trading workhorse here and it is talking to several TWS's
6:06 pm:<Mike> need feedback to IRT charts and tokens though
6:06 pm:<Eddy01> will come mike
6:06 pm:<Mike> then move trade lines on chart and trades updated, yes will come agree
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> the issue here, bottom line, is that NT doesn't have a DLL for OS X
6:07 pm:<Eddy01> and will most probably never have...
6:07 pm:<MPx> yes that I know...except that can be done on your end for feedback alone
6:07 pm:<LS_Bill> windows users have all they need with IRT-AT or IRT-NT
6:07 pm:<MPx> almost the same a pass through
6:08 pm:<Eddy01> I can guarantee there are zillions of other items that could be ahead in the NT development priority list
6:09 pm:<LS_Bill> in my conversations with NT, they were not even sure when they would get around to providing a way for IRT to query for stop and target
6:09 pm:<Eddy01> anyhow / exciting times ahead
6:09 pm:<MPx> right now I run one NT on my PC with 2 TWS's and one TWS with IRT on my Mac
6:09 pm:<MPx> I need feedback for TWS on IRT!
6:09 pm:<Eddy01> Bill, i think that part will come
6:09 pm:<MPx> or I dump OS X come April and go all XP
6:10 pm:<Eddy01> other users requested it on the NT forum
6:10 pm:<LS_Bill> right, they said they would add it, but were unclear on the time frame
6:10 pm:<Eddy01> just a matter of time
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> theoretically, it would not be hard for IRT to send a http request over a local network to NT asking for position status
6:11 pm:<Mike> stops and targets plural keep in mind
6:11 pm:<LS_Bill> that's how IRT talks to AutoTrader
6:11 pm:<MPx> right
6:11 pm:<MPx> thats what I'm thinking
6:12 pm:<LS_Bill> but getting the folks at NT to develop that http listener and responder just for benefit of mac users seems very unlikely
6:12 pm:<Eddy01> when all main issues with new NT version are solved, then you will get it one way or the other...
6:12 pm:<Mike> how you talk to nj now Bill the ddl?
6:12 pm:<Eddy01> my guess / most probably within DLL
6:12 pm:<Mike> maybe osx IRT could talk to pc ddl somehow?
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> the DLL NT provides does all the communications using MS Windows messaging I believe
6:13 pm:<Mike> is what Mpx asking for i think
6:13 pm:<MPx> before I can say for sure that NT will not run on OS X under the intel chip I will get a copy and install NT and OS X IRT under rosetta and find out for myself
6:13 pm:<MPx> so far word is they are running x86 apps on top of OS X
6:13 pm:<Eddy01> automated trading is already complicated enough in itself / mixing OS on top of that could be considered as a very masochistic act
6:13 pm:<LS_Bill> Well, I could write a windows program that listens for IRT calls from the OS X environment, talks to NT DLL
6:14 pm:<MPx> yes!
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> but I would have to charge $10,000 per copy to cover my development costs
6:14 pm:*** GLoveday has left
6:14 pm:<MPx> LOL
6:14 pm:<Eddy01> lol
6:14 pm:<MPx> wait 2 weeks Bill
6:14 pm:<LS_Bill> 2 weeks?
6:14 pm:<MPx> it will be one or 2 days work
6:14 pm:<MPx> yes
6:14 pm:<Hayden> Eddy, love your masochistic comment
6:14 pm:<MPx> OS X 86 will be out
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> At present, it's unclear when if ever, there will be an OS X intel version of IRT.
6:16 pm:<MPx> Bill why listen to NT's DLL when you can listen to TWS's api instead?
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> alot depends on XVT and what they do in this regard, they do not have a solution yet
6:16 pm:<MPx> inthe OS X version I mean
6:16 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT for IB talks to TWS
6:17 pm:<LS_Bill> but no other version does
6:17 pm:<MPx> dang
6:17 pm:<Mike> well a Xcode 2 G5 optimized compile i love to test cpu efficiency there at least
6:17 pm:<MPx> Why not make it so Bill?
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> it would be possible, I suppose, to enable IRT to TWS communications in non-IB contexts
6:18 pm:<MPx> yes
6:18 pm:<MPx> u mean non AT
6:18 pm:<LS_Bill> to enable order status checking perhaps.
6:18 pm:<Eddy01> thru iss dll, Ninja talks to dozens of brokers / not only IB..
6:18 pm:<MPx> yes just that would be fine
6:18 pm:<Mike> yes
6:19 pm:<MPx> yeah I know Eddy
6:19 pm:<LS_Bill> like I've said, I don't want to complicate IRT further by doing all of the IB order handling stuff, I rely of AT for all that
6:19 pm:<MPx> but 10k!
6:19 pm:<MPx> let me ask you this then Bill...
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> for $60/ year any OS X users using any feed can check order status. It's available now all you have to do is pay Jerry Sy $60, instead of paying me $10,000 to develop something new for you.
6:20 pm:<MPx> At not pro
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> you don't have to use AT for trading at all
6:20 pm:<LS_Bill> just use it as a vehicle for getting order status
6:21 pm:<MPx> but I need to use NT...5 superdoms across 3-5 emeins
6:21 pm:<MPx> eminis
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> don't user AT for anything other than order status
6:21 pm:<MPx> Im not talking auto trading here...just order routing
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> to talk to TWS
6:21 pm:<MPx> oh really?
6:21 pm:<LS_Bill> if you need the power and flexibility of NinjaTrader to do you trading you should be running on the Windows platform
6:22 pm:<MPx> IRT can get TWS status through AT in pass through mode on OS X even though I place the orders on my windows machine?
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
6:22 pm:<MPx> ahha
6:22 pm:<LS_Bill> position status on every symbol you're trading
6:23 pm:<MPx> how much set up?
6:24 pm:<LS_Bill> just setup a pass thru trading order to autotrader, with action "Get IB Positions"
6:24 pm:<MPx> uh oh...he's writing a novel approach...I'm afraid now
6:24 pm:<MPx> hmmm
6:25 pm:<LS_Bill> you will get back long or short and qty for each symbol.
6:25 pm:<MPx> and all of this will appear on charts with ref lines correct?
6:25 pm:<MPx> or I should say can appear if I set it up
6:26 pm:<LS_Bill> well, I'm not 100% sure about fill price, you can email autotrader to ask
6:26 pm:<MPx> but I noticed that IRT will show a flat no position even before AT gets flat
6:26 pm:<LS_Bill> of course AT would have no idea what stops and targets are in progress
6:26 pm:<MPx> right no need
6:26 pm:<MPx> just as long as IRT sees IB positions
6:27 pm:<MPx> stops are help local and will appear on TWS
6:27 pm:<MPx> held*
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> should work, I'll double-check with Autotrader about all this
6:27 pm:<MPx> k
6:27 pm:<LS_Bill> have to leave in a few minutes, anyone else have anything before I go?
6:28 pm:<MPx> looks like I scared everyone away
6:28 pm:<Eddy01> nope
6:28 pm:<Mike> :)
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> everyone but mike and eddy
6:29 pm:<Eddy01> ok, have good new year parties everyone :-)
6:29 pm:<MPx> lol
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> you too
6:29 pm:<MPx> Bonne annee!
6:29 pm:<Mike> take Care Bill
6:29 pm:<Mike> remember G5 compile :)
6:29 pm:<Eddy01> late here / and kids wake up always too early :- ) bye bye
6:29 pm:<LS_Bill> a happy and prosperous new year to everyone