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Support Chat Session (01/09/07) - Happy New Year
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> go ahead
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4:35 pm:<BAHRAM> I have created a Candlestick chart (317) tick with data for the last 10 days.. but everyday when the market starts again at 4:30 the chart goes blank and I have reload the data
4:35 pm:<Daniel> Happy New year!
4:36 pm:<Cliff> Chad, I was reviewing your video on setting price alarms...
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> you may have the chart setup to only view the current session Bahram
4:37 pm:<Cliff> and it brought to mind an email correspondence we had a couple of months ago about using a similar protocol to set up and store trendline alerts
4:37 pm:<BAHRAM> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/B_VB_DB_03.png
4:37 pm:<LS_Bill> how is your view period setup?
4:37 pm:<subq> so all you mac users have your iphone on order? :)
4:37 pm:<BAHRAM> View Period --- Last 10 days
4:38 pm:<subq> oh people can screen shot chat now?
4:38 pm:<subq> crazy
4:38 pm:<subq> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/InvestorRT_Chat_3
4:38 pm:<Cliff> the idea being that once the alert was set up it would automatically adjust with the passage of time and, thus, would not require you to keep open all the charts on which you wanted trendline alerts
4:38 pm:<subq> is chad here?
4:38 pm:<Cliff> it says he's logged in in the right-hand column
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> I just imported your chart Bahram. I see you have it as last 10 days
4:39 pm:<subq> yeah but i was wondering if he was here :)
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you have for Setup: Preferences: Historical as your tick data retention setting?
4:39 pm:<subq> it shows me logged in 24/7 almost ;)
4:40 pm:<LS_Chad> yea, sounds like you have your retention settings setup for 0 days of tick and 1-min data
4:40 pm:<Cliff> at the time, you were in the midst of readying a new release and wanted to give it some further thought
4:40 pm:<Cliff> is what I'm suggesting a possibility?
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> bahram, if you have 0 days of ticks, that might explain the problem
4:40 pm:<subq> chad, now that you added the VAH/VAL to the info windows...is there any way you can make it say DVAH on the working profile vs the VAH/VAL
4:40 pm:<subq> there is some confusion in the terms
4:41 pm:<BAHRAM> I just looked at it and it was set to 0
4:41 pm:<subq> when i see VAH i am thinking VAH from yesterday on a completed profile
4:41 pm:<subq> vs DVAH
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> so you want to draw a trendline....and have it alert you if it's breached...even if the chart is closed, right?
4:41 pm:<BAHRAM> what is the max that can be retained?
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> how many days of ticks do you need?
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> I would keep it as small as you need
4:41 pm:<Cliff> that's correct Chad, although I'd also like to see alerts available not just on breaches but on approaches or touches
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> smaller the better
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> setup for maybe 30 days of 1-min....10 days of tick (if you look at 10 day tickbar charts)
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4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> after making the change..download 30 days of 1-min, followed by 10 days of tick...and you should be all set
4:42 pm:<Cliff> where you specify if price comes within x% or y cents of trendline, please sound alert
4:42 pm:<LS_Chad> the backup
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> that's why we default tick retention to zero. You always get ticks for the current session
4:42 pm:<BAHRAM> I see.. Thank you both for the help
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> but after the session is closed, zero means the ticks get converted to one minute bars for more compact storage
4:43 pm:<Daniel> Chad make sure he knows that you need do it in that order
4:43 pm:<Daniel> minute then ticks
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> well Cliff...V# variables would have to be involved somehow....
4:43 pm:<LS_Chad> would this be for daily charts? or intraday?
4:43 pm:<Cliff> right, just like on price alerts
4:44 pm:<reza> i have a question: I have 2 ref lines based on sesst, showing me the prev day high and low. I want to know is I can paint the chart to a certain color in between the prev day high/lo
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4:44 pm:<Cliff> the difference would be that IRT, knowing the slope, periodicity, and intercept of the trendline would simply recalculate the trendline with the passage of time
4:45 pm:<Cliff> I meant would recalculate the alert point based on what user specified when alert was established using V# variable
4:45 pm:<LS_Chad> we'd have to store the various aspects of the trendline (start datetime, start price, periodicity of chart) in V# variables somehow
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> then use them to calculate a current value
4:46 pm:<Cliff> is that difficult?
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> oh yea
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> and if you had more than 1 line per symbol..you'd have to use another set of V# variables
4:46 pm:<Cliff> OK, here's what occurred to me...
4:46 pm:<LS_Chad> it's a big project
4:46 pm:<subq> chad you see my question on info box?
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4:46 pm:<subq> VAH thing
4:47 pm:<LS_Chad> and you really need the chart open to do a lot of that computation...a lot of what's needed is included w/ the chart to compute the current value
4:47 pm:<subq> i know a lot of data is there already but maybe on a working profile show VAH and DVAH
4:47 pm:<Cliff> when chart is open with trendline , and you're asking it to extend the trendline, isn't IRT doing essentially the same thing to extend it or is it doing this in some other way
4:47 pm:<subq> or just change the name to DVAH
4:47 pm:<Rrick> Hi all... Anywhere I can read the log to catch up?
4:47 pm:<Cliff> OK, I see what you're saying on recalculation load
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> well...subq...I've only got room for 3 letters over there...without a major overhaul
4:48 pm:<Cliff> as a separate issue, could trendline alerts be set up to give user option of alerting on approach and touch instead of just on breach? would that be hard?
4:48 pm:<subq> oh i see
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> I think it's pretty clear if you just look at one profile vs the values displayed
4:48 pm:<LS_Chad> but I know what you mean
4:49 pm:<LS_Chad> I guess I could label the top one "dVA" with no label for the bottom one
4:49 pm:<Cliff> my last question assumes you've got the chart containing the trendline in question open
4:50 pm:<reza> chad: how can i paint the background of a chart between the previous day high/lo, using SESST ref lines to indicate where those levels are
4:51 pm:<reza> i on;y want to see above prev day high lo action and hide the between
4:51 pm:<Cliff> should have said alerting on approach OR touch
4:51 pm:<subq> DVH, DVL
4:52 pm:<subq> typically on a developing profile you are looking at the VAH and VAL as key points
4:52 pm:<LS_Chad> yea, but VA really drives it home
4:52 pm:<subq> and they are constant since it is from the previous day :)
4:52 pm:<subq> in fact that may be good info to have there
4:52 pm:<subq> if you don't want to look back on profiles
4:52 pm:<subq> :)
4:53 pm:<Daniel> Chad you see Reza's question?
4:53 pm:<Daniel> Chad*
4:53 pm:<Daniel> or Bill?
4:55 pm:<reza> test
4:55 pm:<LS_Chad> cliff....that trendline window has reach max capacity.....no room for more prefs really....I'll do some thinking on that
4:56 pm:<Daniel> maybe we died, went to heaven and they cannot see us!
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> reza
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> setup two custom indicators ....which track prev day low and prev day high (with SESST)
4:56 pm:<Cliff> Chad, awesome, I'd appreciate it if you would
4:56 pm:<LS_Chad> then use those CIs in a Price Bands indicator to paint the space between them
4:57 pm:<LS_Chad> hang on....I'll create the chart and share it
4:57 pm:<Cliff> the problem with breach only is it doesn't allow for a reversal occurring at or just above/below the trendline
4:57 pm:<reza> thanks
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> you want to paint "OVER" the bars?
4:58 pm:<LS_Chad> so you can't see activity at all between those values/
4:58 pm:<reza> yes
4:58 pm:<reza> or can you paint them of any color you want?
4:59 pm:<reza> so only the action above prev day high lo is not painted
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/PaintPrevHiLo
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> that what you're after?
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> here it is with bars brought to front:
5:02 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/PaintPrevHiLo_3
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> but can just ctrl-click in scale to move from back to front and back again
5:03 pm:<reza> yes. can we limit it only to yesterdays h/l?
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> so only want it for last day?
5:03 pm:<LS_Chad> not historical?
5:03 pm:<reza> yep
5:04 pm:<subq> have to head out early today catch you guys later
5:04 pm:<Daniel> ciao
5:04 pm:<LS_Chad> hmm
5:04 pm:<Daniel> can use the tokens from the TPO to get it done?
5:05 pm:<Daniel> he*
5:05 pm:<Daniel> so it only paints between the last day hi/lo?
5:05 pm:<reza> in order to do that you need to show only 2 days of data
5:06 pm:<LS_Chad> trying to think of a signal that say "this bar is in current/last day/session"
5:07 pm:<Daniel> seems like if you use the TPO tokens HI LO in a custom indicator and paint between them would work no?
5:07 pm:<Daniel> since the tokens only represent one day back
5:07 pm:<LS_Chad> I actually enhanced the TPO indicator to "draw bands" (either current or prev or both) in 8.6.1 (out tomorrow probably) :)
5:08 pm:<Daniel> huh!?
5:08 pm:<Daniel> draw bands in the chart body?
5:08 pm:<billg> i am trying to learn how to create an indicator in rtl that would take a basket of stocks and tell me how many are making a new 5 minute hi or low and is it possible to get this info somewhere on an emini chart
5:09 pm:<billg> also i am new to all of this programining what would be the best way to start to learn
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> ah....I got it
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> I use SESST * (POS_END_DATA = POS_END_SESSION)
5:10 pm:<LS_Chad> POS_END_DATA is bars from end of data and POS_END_SESSION is bars from end of session
5:11 pm:<Daniel> billg yeah it's done with a scan
5:11 pm:<aarbvark> billg: you're probably looking for a custom TRIN or ARMS index - also adv/decl can be custom..
5:11 pm:<reza> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/Untitled_3.png
5:11 pm:<aarbvark> Dick Arms authored the $trin
5:11 pm:<reza> i can get it by only using 2 days of data
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> here is the current day only def: http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/PaintPrevHiLo_4
5:12 pm:<LS_Chad> one sec..I'll show you the bands on TPO indicator
5:12 pm:<billg> i am completly new to this
5:12 pm:<Daniel> yeah Reza that one looks good
5:12 pm:<aarbvark> Arms includes avg. length(5min, etc.) and up/dn volume
5:12 pm:<Daniel> paints today based on yesterday's hi/lo
5:12 pm:<reza> BRAVO Chad
5:13 pm:<reza> Dan get the one from Chad. because me mine you are limited to only 2 days worth of data
5:14 pm:<aarbvark> Chad, does RT offer a custom ARMS, TRIN, or adv/decline indicator?
5:14 pm:<Daniel> Reza download the definiton for the site..it's posted withthe chart
5:14 pm:<Daniel> from*
5:14 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/09/TPO_Indicator
5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> that shows the band option for tpo indicator
5:15 pm:<billg> i am looking to use a basket of stock to monitor how many are making new five minute hi vs low
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5:15 pm:<LS_Chad> also added an "automatic" tick increment...so don't have to change the tick increment for different futures (similar to how MP works on auto mode)
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> aar...one sec
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> we have Arms Ease of Movemenet: http://www.linnsoft.com/tour/techind/arms.htm
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> that what you want?
5:16 pm:<LS_Chad> you can create your own statistical measures with Custom Instruments...
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> many feeds supply their own TRIN & adv/dec symbols....what feed are you using
5:17 pm:<aarbvark> No, that's different. Theoretically, the tick or trin index can be created for any basket of stocks..
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> billg, first you need to create your basket....have you done that?
5:17 pm:<reza> Chad, what are the bands on TPO?
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> the yahoo screener feature is great for that....go to "setup: screener"
5:17 pm:<billg> i have it
5:17 pm:<LS_Chad> make sure you're on 8.6.0 for that....some good improvements in 8.6 for the screener
5:18 pm:<LS_Chad> ok..you just need scan syntax for "making a new high with the last 5 minutes", right?
5:18 pm:<billg> this is al foreign to me
5:20 pm:<billg> i have yahoo screener open
5:20 pm:<reza> Chad can you explain the tpo bands plz?
5:21 pm:<billg> i have 17 stocks i was going to use
5:22 pm:<aarbvark> Chad, did you say that a new beta version should be out tomorrow?
5:25 pm:<Daniel> those bands in the TPO indicator are trending previous and current VA?
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5:26 pm:<LS_Chad> one band is prev day VA, other is current day VA
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> we plan to release 8.6 Rev 1, a maintenance release in a day or two
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> 8.6.1 should be out tomorrow, yes
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> not beta
5:27 pm:<Daniel> ah thanx..thought so
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> just a revision on 8.6
5:27 pm:<reza> Thank you Chad
5:27 pm:<Daniel> ok
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5:27 pm:<Rrick> Chad, speaking of the screener... Is there a way to not save the symbols found?
5:27 pm:<LS_Chad> just a better visual representation than what we had before
5:27 pm:<danh> what are your plan for features for market delta?
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> it tells you how many it found after screening, before importing them to quotepage..can cancel at that point
5:28 pm:<LS_Chad> and you can delete all symbols in resulting quotepage easily with one click on the red trash can button on qp toolbar
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> new Market Delta features include a new "historical VA & POC band" that tracks the VA & POC historically throughout the day
5:29 pm:<Rrick> And if I want to take a quick look but then delete? One click per symbol?
5:29 pm:<Rrick> Anyway to select all and delete all?
5:29 pm:<LS_Chad> no...not one click per symbol...just click the "ticker" column heading (so no individual symbols are selected)...then click the red trash can icon...will delete all at once
5:30 pm:<danh> for MD I would like to set support and resistance line like i can with market profile
5:30 pm:<LS_Chad> here is a screenshot danh
5:30 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/08/Footprint__Delta
5:30 pm:<Rrick> Oh... Got it ;-)
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5:31 pm:<LS_Chad> also, notice the column heading of the last bar....it now shows the seconds left in the bar (for time-based bars)....or ticks left in bar (for tickbars)
5:31 pm:<LS_Chad> volume left for volbars, and prices left for pricebars
5:31 pm:<Daniel> I have a question and I cannot seem to figure out what's happening on the MD charts
5:31 pm:<Rrick> Wish I would have know that yesterday... Would have saved me a sore finger ;-(
5:31 pm:<LS_Chad> I guess danh wasn't interested enough in new stuff :(
5:32 pm:<Daniel> see that line that represents the VA?
5:32 pm:<Daniel> red line
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5:32 pm:<Daniel> or what does it represent exactly
5:32 pm:<LS_Chad> sorry about the sore finger rick :) now it has time to heal
5:32 pm:<Daniel> it moves with current price but the other extreme of the line doesn't seem to be tied to anything
5:32 pm:<danh> chad can you send the footprint link again
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> that red line is the open/close of the entire chart (generally 1 day)
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> open to close (like open close bars)
5:33 pm:<Daniel> ah ok
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/01/08/Footprint__Delta
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> you also missed this text danh
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> <LS_Chad> also, notice the column heading of the last bar....it now shows the seconds left in the bar (for time-based bars)....or ticks left in bar (for tickbars)
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> <LS_Chad> volume left for volbars, and prices left for pricebars
5:33 pm:<LS_Chad> <Daniel> I have a question and I cannot seem to figure out what's happening on the MD charts
5:33 pm:<Daniel> man I was trying to figure it out and it just didn't make sense
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5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> danh, ref lines on the MD chart is still on my long term list....will get those added soon enough
5:34 pm:<LS_Chad> FP charts I mean
5:34 pm:<Daniel> I miss something? lol
5:35 pm:<danh> ok thanks chad
5:35 pm:<Rrick> Is there a problem report database that us users can look thru? And a request for features database too?
5:36 pm:<Daniel> so it represents the day's open and it will follow the last price all day long up and down?
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> no...just email your problems / wishes to support@linnsoft.com
5:36 pm:<billg> hello
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> right
5:36 pm:<Daniel> ah ok
5:36 pm:<Daniel> thnx
5:36 pm:<Rrick> And how do we track them?
5:36 pm:<LS_Chad> hello billg, you have a question?
5:37 pm:<danh> what about the reference lins on MP charts, I would like to be able to have each line a different color is that possible
5:37 pm:<Daniel> you see how you colored the levels on the MD that are of equal B X A to all white?
5:37 pm:<billg> how can i learn to do this programming myself
5:37 pm:<billg> like the basket of charts i mentioned
5:37 pm:<LS_Chad> I hear ya dan...may get that done eventually.....I'll need to move ref line prefs to their own tabbed interface if/when I do that
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> I would start with the videos..... www.linnsoft.com/videos
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> there is one on the language
5:38 pm:<LS_Chad> then move on to the Q&A...specifically the RTL section
5:38 pm:<Rrick> And look at examples ;-)
5:39 pm:<danh> thanks chad
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5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> I just noticed that our Yahoo page says "Currently, the screening criteria are limited to price and average volume."....that's no longer true..have opened that up quite a bit
5:39 pm:<Daniel> scan section or somewhere has a few examples of QP scans for new highs or somthing
5:39 pm:<LS_Chad> can screen on just about any criteria available on the yahoo screener
5:40 pm:<Daniel> http://www.linnsoft.com/tutorials/scanClMa.htm
5:40 pm:<billg> i would also like to do something woith volume on a twenty day basis to see if volume is higher or lower at different times of day also also if we are having a higher volume day than average early on
5:40 pm:<Rrick> Can the screener be run from the batch queue??
5:40 pm:<LS_Chad> yea.....that can be done billg...with the volume analysis indicator
5:41 pm:<billg> is there anyone that could help me do programming
5:41 pm:<LS_Chad> there is an option in Volume Analysis to "accumulate intraday volume" and "project daily values"....try checking both of those
5:41 pm:<LS_Chad> it will forecast the days volume based on the volume to that point in the day
5:41 pm:<Rrick> Ummm... That would be a schedule ;-)
5:41 pm:<Daniel> yeah there's a neat higher high/lower volume chart Chad made
5:41 pm:<LS_Chad> works on session 0 ONLY htough
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> which is what you should have your stocks assigned to anyway
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> then you can scan for VMA > 2*VMA_AVG where VMA_AVG is setup to a 20 day avg, and VMA is setup as the accumulated project value for today
5:42 pm:<LS_Chad> change 2 to 1.5, 2.5, whatever you want
5:43 pm:<LS_Chad> email me these things you want to scan for billg, and I can send you the scans that you can easily import
5:43 pm:<billg> i am sorry i have to leave have a kid waiting to be picked up thanks for your help
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> I don't think you can do that Rick....from schedule..currently...but not 100% sure
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> will add that to the list
5:45 pm:<Rrick> Oh... That would be nice ;-)
5:45 pm:<LS_Chad> just under "Run Scan" we could add "Run Screen"
5:46 pm:<LS_Chad> that's what you want, right?
5:46 pm:<Rrick> That would work for me;-)
5:47 pm:<Rrick> Any news on my no longer receiving data issue?
5:47 pm:<Daniel> hmmm..that open close on the MD charts isn't always correct
5:47 pm:<Rrick> Bill said that he would look into it...
5:48 pm:<Daniel> I have AB open at782.6 but the MD chart says 781.6
5:49 pm:<Daniel> using 1 point range chart
5:51 pm:<Daniel> ok anyways...not a big deal..I'm sure you'll get around to fixing it...ciao and have a nice evening.
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5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> refresh my memory Rrick
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> no longer receiving data?
5:54 pm:<LS_Chad> gotta run guys...have a nice evening
5:54 pm:<Rrick> Any hints on how to do channel drawing easier to do in realtime?
5:55 pm:<Rrick> Using IRT 8.6 data from IBs TWS stops...
5:55 pm:<Mike> hi all
5:55 pm:<Mike> sorry late was in court :)
5:56 pm:<Rrick> You send an email Bill saying you would check it out on the Mac...
5:56 pm:<LS_Bill> I have not had any time to do Mac testing rick, tomorrow we will be testing 8.6 rev 1 before releasing it, I'll do some mac testing and see what's amiss
5:57 pm:<Rrick> Ok... Just wondering what the status was, thanks;-)
5:57 pm:<LS_Bill> I remember your situation and email, I just didn't associate it with "Rrick"
5:58 pm:<Rrick> Ok, no worries ;-)
5:58 pm:<Rrick> A problem report database would be nice to check status with ;-)
6 pm:<LS_Bill> we normally solve issues quickly enough that it is counterproductive to spend time tracking problems
6:01 pm:<Rrick> Thats fine... Releasing often is good ;-)
6:01 pm:<Mike> Bill any xvt Drawing improvements ie efficiencies?
6:02 pm:<Mike> my RI oepn CPU 95% I hide IRT and CPU low 20% or less
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> what do you mean?
6:02 pm:<Mike> so it all attributed to drawing routines
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> RI oepn?
6:02 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT open?
6:02 pm:<Mike> IRT open sorry
6:03 pm:<Mike> charts showing
6:03 pm:<LS_Bill> you have some chart or charts that is overwhelming the system, mike
6:04 pm:<Mike> xvt have to be redone not to call quicktime but more efficient new drawing routines i guessing
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> but yes, drawing overhead is higher on a mac than on a PC
6:04 pm:<Mike> just normal IRT usage
6:04 pm:<LS_Bill> and no, there are no and will probably never be any xvt drawing improvements
6:04 pm:<Mike> ok
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> xvt isn'tdoing any further development to my knowledge
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> you still running on a G4 mike?
6:05 pm:<LS_Bill> time to get an intel mac
6:05 pm:<Mike> right I though once you mentioned some xvt users made a group to share improvements or something
6:05 pm:<Mike> G%
6:05 pm:<Mike> fast G5
6:05 pm:<Mike> IRT run tons better on intel mac?
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> G5 better than G4, but Intel Mac is a new world.
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> IRT runs like it does on PC
6:06 pm:<Mike> ok IRT drawing better on Intel macs?
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6:06 pm:<Mike> really? WOW
6:06 pm:<Rrick> Cell better still ;-)
6:06 pm:<LS_Bill> I have to run, have a nice evening
6:06 pm:<Mike> you run mac or pc version? mac I assume