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Support Chat Session (01/23/07)
4:30 pm:*** LS_Bill has joined us
4:30 pm:<awakening1> since I've never used this chat room, can someone confirm that they see my last entry?
4:31 pm:<LS_Bill> I see you
4:31 pm:<awakening1> great, thanks
4:31 pm:<awakening1> I'm getting these messages that say "unregistered copy; evaluation only, please ask webmaster to register it"...didn't know if it was working or not
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> that is probably some message from irc client software you are using to chat maybe?
4:32 pm:<awakening1> I'm on the site http://www.linnsoft.com/chat/java/index.htm
4:32 pm:<LS_Bill> if you have Investor/RT, registered or not, you can connect to this room from I/RT
4:33 pm:<LS_Bill> ah, that java irc client is an old one
4:33 pm:<awakening1> oh, ok, should I do that instead?
4:34 pm:<LS_Bill> up to you. If you have I/RT running, click the Chat Room button on the main toolbar, setup your nick name and you can chat from investor/rt
4:34 pm:*** Lily has joined us
4:35 pm:<LS_Bill> any questions, comments today anyone?
4:35 pm:<Lily> ok, I'm in via I/RT platform...was in under awakening1
4:35 pm:<subq> bill msg real fast
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4:36 pm:<Lily> I had a question about the quote page
4:36 pm:<LS_Bill> sure
4:37 pm:<Lily> I trade the russell and mini S&P and use DTN IQ for data
4:37 pm:<Lily> I like to see quickly where we are relative to the open sometimes
4:38 pm:<Lily> I thought I could use the quote page for that
4:38 pm:<Lily> but it seems that I only see the "Open" of the globex session, not the open of the morning session
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> you could create a custom column to show the formula: 100 * CL/OP
4:38 pm:<LS_Bill> but you need the Pro version to write custom formulas like that
4:39 pm:<Lily> I don't think I have the pro version, although I have market profile
4:39 pm:<LS_Bill> For an overnight session, you cannot use the OP token
4:39 pm:<Lily> I know I can look at the range info in the Market Profile
4:39 pm:<Lily> but thought I'd have a quick look on a quote page
4:40 pm:<Lily> when you get the Market Profile version of linnsoft, is that the "professional" version?
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> you have to find the open of first bar of the day session and use that in the formula: 100 * CL / DV
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> where DV gives you the open of the first bar of the day session
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> No, Market Profile is an optional feature to both the Standard and Pro Version of IRT.
4:41 pm:<Lily> ok, thanks...so unless I have the Pro version, there's no way to see the day session only values on the quote page, right?
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> The standard version does have custom columns for adding indicators to your quotepage for example, color coding things, etc.
4:41 pm:<LS_Chad> you can use Session Statistics (via Custom Column) to give you the RTH open
4:41 pm:<LS_Bill> but the formula languague is what sets the Pro version apart
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> Session Statistics or DV will both work
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> DV == Date/Time Specific Value
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> e.g. Open of 9:31 bar
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4:44 pm:<Lily> so, I create a custom column on my quote page and then say the open of the 9:31 bar for the value to show?
4:45 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, in IRT Standard you could have a custom column show the open of the 1st bar of the day session, using Session Statistics indicator
4:46 pm:<Lily> so, I'm doing that now...I am in the custom column and have chosen the indicator SESST, now what do I enter?
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> setup the SESST
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> last price, open
4:47 pm:<Lily> ok, thanks
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> override the session to the day session in the custom column setup
4:49 pm:<Mike2> Chad, thanks again for adding the capability of using T#'s for correlation on the quote pages. However, I noticed that if I need to monitor MER and GS using a Custom Column, I cannot monitor MER and MS or GS and LEH on the same quote page. Is that right?
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> You should be able to add the correlation multiple times using multiple custom columns (each with different names)...and use different T# for each column
4:50 pm:<LS_Chad> someone in here wanted the option to base VB on UpTick / DownTick...that's done for next release
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4:55 pm:<Rrick> Hello ;-)
4:58 pm:<Rrick> If I import a chart definition which includes signals and custom indicators and later want to quit without saving... How do I get rid of everything???
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> importing puts the definitions into the databse
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> you can use the Object Editor later to delete things you don't want to keep around
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> Open-->Object Editor
4:59 pm:<Rrick> Yuck ;-)
5 pm:<LS_Bill> if you wish you can backup your database before importing, import somethings and go back to the backup after testing some imports
5 pm:<LS_Bill> restore the backup and everything is back the way it was
5 pm:<LS_Bill> otherwise you may have some cleanup to do in the Object Editor
5:01 pm:<Rrick> So then I did not miss some "normal" way to quit without saving ;-(
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> Import of definitions imports directly into the database base, it saves definitions as it imports
5:03 pm:<Rrick> Ok, fair enough ;-)
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> there are some options in Setup: Preferences: General
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> for prompting you to save changes to a chart for example, when closing it
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> you can set the preference to "always save all changes", or "always discard changes"
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> only explicit "Save" commands update the chart defintion on the database
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5:17 pm:<Rrick> Is there a way to see both up volume and down volume at the same time?
5:18 pm:<EJM> Mike R U There ? could you later call me on skype ?
5:18 pm:<Rrick> In a standard, included indicator?
5:18 pm:<LS_Bill> you can add the VB indicator more than once to your chart
5:19 pm:<Rrick> Is VB included to use or do I have to pay an additional fee?
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> VB is at present bundled with the $20/mo Market Profile
5:20 pm:<LS_Bill> we are considering make it an elective for users who do not have Market Profile
5:21 pm:<Rrick> It seems that it should be a standard feature ;-)
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> BMW's should be free also :-)
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> part of the standard Chevy package
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> nothing decided yet, just something we are considering, your feedback is noted.
5:23 pm:<Rrick> No the market profile just a simple up down volume gizmo ;-)
5:23 pm:<Rrick> s/no/not
5:24 pm:<Rrick> My RX7 will eat those BMWs for lunch ;-o
5:25 pm:<fcat> my chevy doesn't break
5:26 pm:<fcat> and I don't have to drive 4 hours for an oil change
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> hopefully neither does Volume Breakdown ;-)
5:26 pm:<fcat> so Bill what's the next step on my 1m chart issue
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> I have a BMW, but I drive an `87 Ford pickup on weekends :-)
5:27 pm:<Rrick> There must be something very wrong if you have to change oil that often... I get 6Kmiles ;-)
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> don't know for sure fcat
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> I guess we could start over and have you send me your data_f folder again
5:28 pm:<Rrick> If I did not have so many things going on with IRT, I might not mind paying a bit more for a fancy volume gizmo ;-)
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> I was never able to make this problem happen on my end, at least not predictably enough to trap it in the act
5:29 pm:<fcat> really?
5:29 pm:<fcat> thought you had no probs reproducing
5:29 pm:<fcat> having every morning here like clockwork
5:30 pm:<LS_Bill> I did find one suspicious thing as I recall, and I "fixed" that but it did not solve the problem
5:30 pm:<fcat> havin = happening
5:30 pm:<fcat> happens every am...1m after the open
5:30 pm:<fcat> session 0 open
5:31 pm:<fcat> emini charts do it 1m after the session 31 open
5:31 pm:<LS_Bill> you have those really narrow chart windows as I recall
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> send me a chart def then and I'll watch it tomorrow at the open
5:32 pm:<fcat> yes..most of my 1m charts are 1 1/2 inches wide I spose
5:32 pm:<fcat> ok
5:33 pm:<fcat> thought you had figured that it had to do with the way IRT was converting ticks to bars or something
5:33 pm:<fcat> at post time
5:34 pm:<fcat> if I download the previous day's 1m data...either after posting...ie now...
5:34 pm:<fcat> or before the market opens...I don't have any problems
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5:41 pm:<fcat> chart def on the way Bill
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> I think it has something to do with the "state" of the chart window when the market closes
5:41 pm:<fcat> ok
5:41 pm:<LS_Bill> if you download data, IRT updates the chart, changes it's state
5:42 pm:<fcat> just an fyi..if it matters..my 1m charts are VERY rarely altered by me
5:42 pm:<LS_Bill> but if the chart just sits there waiting for the session to reopen, the first bar of the new session triggers the roblem
5:42 pm:<fcat> my layout never changes
5:42 pm:<fcat> charts are never closed or moved
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> that's why this is so hard to reproduce,
5:43 pm:<fcat> some of them never see a different instrument
5:43 pm:<LS_Bill> I have to have the chart open, collecting data at the close, then let it sit there overnight, untouched until the next trading day begins
5:43 pm:<fcat> ahh..I see your thinking
5:44 pm:<fcat> here's the thing tho bill.....
5:44 pm:<fcat> If I remember right....if I don't shut down and leave IRT open all night..I don't have a problem
5:45 pm:<Mike> hi all
5:45 pm:<Mike> sorry late
5:45 pm:<Mike> Hi Bill
5:45 pm:<Mike> Question on Current quotes dl?
5:45 pm:<fcat> can't say I'm 100% on this because I shut down every night
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> oh okay fcat so you do shutdown after the close
5:46 pm:<fcat> tho I have tried leaving it open...just can't remember for certain that the problem persisted or not
5:46 pm:<LS_Bill> then reopen your layout before the open
5:46 pm:<fcat> don't think it did
5:46 pm:<fcat> correct
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> ok, we'll see
5:48 pm:<fcat> I will leave IRT open tonight and see what happens
5:49 pm:<fcat> I already know what will happen if I shut it down
5:49 pm:<fcat> ;-)
5:50 pm:<Mike> Bill busy?
5:51 pm:<fcat> hey Mike
5:51 pm:<fcat> Bill wishing that I would quit using 1m charts
5:56 pm:<Mike> Bill?
5:57 pm:<Rrick> Got to go walk ;-) See ya guys later... Bill, I might send you an email later to talk about pricing/value for IRT ;-)
5:58 pm:<Rrick> Bye bye...
5:58 pm:*** Rrick has left
5:58 pm:<fcat> cya rick
6:01 pm:<Mike> Bill or Chad does curent quotes dl hi low open close?
6:01 pm:<Mike> appears CL only!??