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Support Chat Session (02/06/07)
4:29 pm:*** LS_Bill has joined us
4:37 pm:<Mike> hi all
4:37 pm:<Mike> \Hello LS_Bill, welcome to #Linnsoft :)
4:38 pm:<Mike> hi mike2
4:38 pm:<Mike> Chad or Bill answer in a sec i think
4:38 pm:<Mike2> thanks..
4:39 pm:<Mike2> The "p/e ratio" column fills in with data, can't get "price to sales" working on the qp..however
4:40 pm:<Mike> ok Bill might be best answer
4:40 pm:<LS_Bill> I didn't see the question
4:41 pm:<Mike> Mike2: Chad, which dial/data feature supports the fundamental data elements? It doesn't appear that "price to sales" is supported by esignal.
4:41 pm:<Mike> The "p/e ratio" column fills in with data, can't get "price to sales" working on the qp..however
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> which feed?
4:42 pm:<Mike2> esignal
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> eSignal has very limited fundamental data, but Yahoo download has alot
4:42 pm:<LS_Bill> not sure about price to sales
4:43 pm:<LS_Bill> try a yahoo dl and see if it fills in
4:43 pm:<Mike2> yeah, I believe Yahoo has this...
4:43 pm:<Mike2> I need to download manually?
4:44 pm:*** Cliff has joined us
4:44 pm:<Mike> Hello Cliff, welcome to #Linnsoft :)
4:44 pm:<Mike2> downloading now....
4:45 pm:<Mike> Any news Linnsoft?
4:46 pm:<Mike2> The Yahoo fundamental download worked.....:-)
4:46 pm:<arno> Bill - you guys going to be at Trader's Expo in New York?
4:46 pm:<LS_Bill> 8.6.2 is still in final candidate mode, should be ready for release this week
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> no, afraid not
4:47 pm:<LS_Bill> the booth fees are a little out of reach for us this year, but maybe next year
4:47 pm:*** Duke has joined us
4:48 pm:<arno> too bad... would have stopped by and said hello - maybe next year..;-)
4:48 pm:<LS_Bill> what is the date?
4:48 pm:<Cliff> Minor detail, but I still can't get preferences for a "Traditional Chart" to open
4:48 pm:<arno> Feb 17-20
4:48 pm:<Mike> hi ya Duke
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> I will be on a trip for ten days later this month
4:49 pm:<Duke> HEY MIKE
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> my son is getting married
4:49 pm:<Mike> doing stock scans now Duke :) getting good candidates i think a few a day out of 9000!
4:49 pm:<LS_Bill> so I'll be away that week anyway arno
4:50 pm:<Mike> congrats Bill
4:50 pm:<Duke> congrats
4:50 pm:<Mike> Mr Linn Jr. Jr. :)
4:50 pm:<LS_Bill> actually I'm the Jr., he is William III
4:50 pm:<Mike> neat
4:50 pm:<Duke> Just like the Bob Newhart show.... My son Bill and my other son Bill! :-)
4:51 pm:<LS_Bill> that was two brothers I think :-)
4:51 pm:<Duke> it was..Daryll and Daryll
4:51 pm:<Duke> I watched waaaay to much TV then...lol
4:52 pm:<Cliff> Bill, congratulations...
4:52 pm:<LS_Bill> thank you
4:52 pm:<Cliff> YW
4:52 pm:<Mike> Duke you get intel mac yet?
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> hope you can do without me for a spell, I have not taken ten days off for a long time
4:53 pm:<arno> you'll have more fun at the wedding then at a booth.. .
4:53 pm:<Cliff> BTW, it was a minor detail, but it wasn't THAT minor a detail...
4:53 pm:<LS_Bill> chad will have to work 80 hours a week instead of the usual 60 :-)
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> cliff you must have multiple monitor issues
4:54 pm:<Mike> thoughts for 8.7?
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> there has been some work in 8.6.2 to address this
4:54 pm:<Cliff> yeah, that's what I thought, but I've got my IRT fully expanded
4:54 pm:<LS_Bill> you can get the candidate release now if you want tocheck it out
4:55 pm:<Cliff> Traditional is the only chart type in the Chart Type dropdown that won't show preferences
4:55 pm:<Cliff> everything else in there is A-OK
4:55 pm:<Cliff> This is in the Default Chart section of the General Chart Preferences dialogue box
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> does the window name appear in the Bring To Front menu
4:56 pm:<Mike> Bill when a scheduel is done think it possible to shwo schedule is Done on main tool bar feedback area line?
4:56 pm:<Cliff> Bill, Yes it does
4:56 pm:<LS_Bill> you can do that with a schedule action to show message
4:57 pm:<LS_Bill> hold down ctrl key and pick that window
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> that should center the window
4:58 pm:<Cliff> Just did and all that happens is my QP toolbar disappears
4:58 pm:<Cliff> All other windows in bring to front are behaving normally on control-click
4:58 pm:<LS_Bill> it sounds to me like the window might be very very small or something
4:59 pm:<LS_Bill> pick it from the Bring to Front menu and then hit escape to close it even if youcannot see it
4:59 pm:<Cliff> OK, I've closed everything except my workspace, let's see
5 pm:<Mike> thx Bill i see message now great!
5 pm:<LS_Bill> or just close all windows using the WIndows-->Close ALL
5 pm:<LS_Bill> then try opening the pref window again
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5:01 pm:<Cliff> Close all closes chat window too ;^)
5:01 pm:<Cliff> But everything's now closed except for chat
5:01 pm:<LS_Bill> ah yes, I forgot about that :-) I wasn't trying to get rid of you cliff
5:02 pm:<LS_Bill> now the prefs window should open normal size
5:02 pm:*** Duke has joined us
5:02 pm:<Duke> crashed
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> oops
5:03 pm:<Mike> have location?
5:03 pm:<Duke> still doesn't like it when I try and do something while back filling.. :-)
5:03 pm:<Cliff> glad to hear that, Bill :-) - Well sure enough it worked; traditional chart preferences have finally made an appearance in a normal sized dialogue box
5:03 pm:<LS_Bill> great
5:03 pm:<Duke> unfortunately its always a generic code
5:04 pm:<Cliff> btw, I recall a note not long ago on the advisability of disenabling bring to front
5:04 pm:<LS_Bill> this kind of thing probably won't happen again cliff in 862
5:04 pm:<Cliff> what is the gist of this issue?
5:04 pm:<Cliff> Cool...
5:05 pm:<LS_Bill> a user was experiencing low MS WIndows resources due to the contant recreation of the menus to support "Bring To Front
5:05 pm:*** Christine has joined us
5:05 pm:<Mike> Hello Christine, welcome to #Linnsoft :)
5:05 pm:<Mike> hey Cafe
5:06 pm:<Mike> how's irt? and woodies things? and all? you?
5:06 pm:<Christine> hey Mike
5:06 pm:<Cliff> do you think it was user-specific or is it a good idea to disable it except when you need it to retrieve missing windows?
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> disabling the menu eliminates resource usage, and if you seldom or even use this feature of the program, just disable it
5:06 pm:<LS_Bill> it's a hassel to turn the menu back on
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> If you use Bring to Front from time to time, then leave it on
5:07 pm:<Duke> So Bill... am I going to be surprised, elated etc etc when I load IRT on my Mac Book Pro?
5:07 pm:<Cliff> You can always reenable it from the Window menu can't you?
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> you will be elated
5:07 pm:<Duke> also do I just take my registration and do the usual load?
5:07 pm:<LS_Bill> no you have to license the OS X software. :-)
5:07 pm:<Cliff> Ah, so reenabling it is a problem
5:07 pm:<Duke> hopefully ARRRRRRGGG lol
5:08 pm:<Christine> speaking of MAC....I just bought an intel-based MAC powerbook pro too....but still using DELL for IRT....I might want to switch.
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> we're getting a lot of new Mac OS X intereset in I/RT these days
5:08 pm:<Duke> seriously? squeezing me again ..just like those mac guys to get you with the hidden costs....lol
5:08 pm:<LS_Bill> the intels are really fast and I/RT shines on this platform
5:08 pm:<Christine> hmmmm
5:09 pm:<Duke> I am going to try and load it in a few weeks... I need to get my windows junk on there first
5:09 pm:<Mike> geez guess i have to get intel mac
5:09 pm:<Mike> what is appox cost?
5:09 pm:<LS_Bill> I wish we could get eSignal and DTN to make their client software OS X so we could support those two feeds like we do on WIndows
5:09 pm:<Duke> So how does it work now with DTN IQ?
5:09 pm:<Duke> on the mac
5:09 pm:<Mike> maybe you could get there code Bill and make it work?
5:09 pm:<Christine> that's the problem...i have IB data...so won't get historical dtn with mac
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> we have to bypass DTN software, connect direct to server using TCP/IP
5:10 pm:<Duke> ok
5:10 pm:<LS_Bill> DTNIQ for OS X works well, it's eSignal that is the holdout, they don't want to have to support another platform
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> you can get DTN MA on OS X Christine
5:11 pm:<Christine> i'm not ready to completely switch over yet....intel-based MAC has problems with webex playback
5:11 pm:<Christine> ok Bill
5:11 pm:<LS_Bill> IB with DTN MA for historical backfill is available on OS X
5:12 pm:<LS_Bill> webex is a meeting protocol ?
5:12 pm:<Mike> yes
5:12 pm:<Christine> yes...and all the IB webinars and investools webinars don't work
5:12 pm:<Duke> Bill you mentioned that you have a Mac Pro... as well... that might be my next workstation if I like the laptop
5:12 pm:<Christine> so i will wait
5:14 pm:<Duke> Well just wanted to drop in and say hi to the gang... Take care everyone. Mike ... Be careful with those stock trades! :-)
5:14 pm:<Mike> ok thx
5:14 pm:<LS_Bill> When building I/RT for OS X the Mac Pro does compiles four files at a time in parallel, takes about 2 minutes to build vs 15 - 20 minutes on the PowerPC macs I used to use
5:15 pm:<LS_Bill> so long Duke
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5:20 pm:<fcat> hey Bill
5:20 pm:<fcat> where is it that you assign user variables
5:21 pm:<Mike> in a scan
5:21 pm:<fcat> ie V3
5:21 pm:<Mike> for one
5:21 pm:<fcat> V#
5:21 pm:<Mike> SET(v#3,44)
5:21 pm:<Mike> for an example
5:21 pm:<LS_Bill> for 8.7 I hope to finally do a playback feature for I/RT. Chad has blazed the trail on this, doing chart specific playback for Market Profile and Footprint Charts
5:21 pm:<fcat> thought you could srtup user variable in a list somewhere
5:21 pm:<Mike> not sure if that is an editable field in a QP
5:22 pm:<Mike> great on playback Bill
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> I want to do something more general that works with multiple charts as the ticks are played back
5:22 pm:<Mike> Can you think to allow playback into link charts and live feed also? ie treat playback like a feed?
5:22 pm:<fcat> can I use SET(v#, HI +.01) for example ?
5:22 pm:<LS_Bill> if we can do this right, it could work with various chart types, time and sales windows, etc.
5:23 pm:<Mike> perfect Bill
5:23 pm:<LS_Bill> sure fact
5:23 pm:<Mike> yes fcat
5:23 pm:<fcat> k tks guys
5:23 pm:<Mike> set(v#,(HI+0.01)
5:23 pm:<Mike> I do that now in a scan even
5:23 pm:<fcat> whats the diff between hi and high again ?
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> one is an abbreviation
5:24 pm:<Mike> and SET(V#2,HI.1+0.01) and SET(T#2,"%DATE")
5:24 pm:<fcat> lol bill
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> :-)
5:24 pm:<Mike> there is my code fcat
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> you can spell it out HIGH if you want
5:24 pm:<fcat> np
5:24 pm:<LS_Bill> OPEN HIGH LOW OP HI LO
5:24 pm:<Mike> HI>HI.1 and CL>OP and LO>LO.1 and SET(V#2,HI.1+0.01) and SET(T#2,"%DATE") /*
5:24 pm:<fcat> actually thought there was a difference for some reason
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> there is a DAYHIGH
5:25 pm:<fcat> ahh better yet
5:25 pm:<LS_Bill> that is the current quotepage session high, vs the high of an intra-day bar in a scan
5:26 pm:<fcat> trying to integrate the prv days high + .01 into a cc that will fill with color when triggered
5:26 pm:<LS_Bill> nice
5:26 pm:<fcat> and stay filled for that matter
5:27 pm:<Mike> one sec fcat
5:27 pm:<fcat> have to use v# right ?
5:27 pm:<fcat> so I can set cc action to true when greater than ?
5:27 pm:<LS_Bill> no you could write a trading signal
5:28 pm:<Mike> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/02/05/S_Entry_Day_Long_3
5:28 pm:<LS_Bill> that just checks to see if prev day's high has been broken today
5:28 pm:<Mike> the green is a cc
5:28 pm:<Mike> it does difference from CL to ENTRY or Variable actually and gree if + and - if neg
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> the formua would be something like HI > HI.1 + .01
5:29 pm:<Mike> right colore green greater then 0
5:29 pm:<LS_Bill> daily periodicity
5:30 pm:<fcat> that column will remain green then mike ?
5:31 pm:<Mike> yes as long as true
5:31 pm:<Mike> ie Entry-CL is greater then 0
5:31 pm:<Mike> Bill see solve my column width issue?
5:32 pm:<fcat> tks for help Bill, Mike
5:32 pm:<Mike> you bet anytime I am just getting into scanning stocks againa d QP and c columns
5:32 pm:<LS_Bill> its on the list for 8.6.3 mike
5:33 pm:<Mike> ok at least you see problem i guess
5:35 pm:<fcat> cool mike
5:35 pm:<Mike> yes cc pretty powerful thing!
5:35 pm:<Mike> any last issues folks?
5:35 pm:<Mike> fcat still have db issue?
5:36 pm:<fcat> basically looking for a column to alert me when a msh or msl entry triggers...whether I'm looking at it or not...and give me something to go back later and review
5:36 pm:<fcat> to see which triggered and check the move
5:37 pm:<Mike> Chad here?
5:37 pm:<fcat> yes Im still goofy Mike, tho Bill thinks next rev may help
5:38 pm:<Cliff> what is best method for being alerted when stock has taken out hi/lo of regular session in after hours
5:38 pm:<Cliff> and hi/lo of prior day in premarket
5:38 pm:<Cliff> in 1st case, official hi/lo will not be available
5:39 pm:<Cliff> looking for most effiicient way to do this
5:40 pm:<Mike> runa scan i think
5:41 pm:<Cliff> chad, bill, any thoughts on this?
5:41 pm:<fcat> think there is a token for this cliff
5:43 pm:<fcat> can't find
5:43 pm:<fcat> thought there was a after hours hi
5:44 pm:<fcat> or post hi or something along this line
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> yes, a scan that reports these on demand takes very little resources
5:45 pm:<Cliff> THANK YOU
5:45 pm:<LS_Bill> if CC in a quotepage is active all the time
5:46 pm:<Cliff> so Bill you're proposing a CC to report the scan results?
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> no, that was a typo
5:47 pm:<Mike> i would suggest a scan set to a schedule that gives a quote page of the results
5:47 pm:<LS_Bill> a custom column, unlike a scan, uses resources all the time
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> if you just need to find exceptions pre most market, use a scan and either run it manually or schedule it to run at the time you wish to be alerted
5:48 pm:<LS_Bill> pre post market
5:49 pm:<Cliff> Bill, thanks for you guidance here...
5:49 pm:<LS_Bill> sure
5:49 pm:<Cliff> is it conceivable that alarms could eventually be setup to accomodate refernce prices as opposed to absolute numbers or is this a huge undertaking
5:49 pm:<Cliff> ?
5:49 pm:<Cliff> reference prices
5:50 pm:<fcat> you can set an alarm to a range I believe
5:51 pm:<Cliff> fcat, right, I could set alarms for the his/los just prior to the close in case of premarket but this is a lot of looking up and manual entry
5:52 pm:<Mike> scanning is mosty automated way I believe forsure
5:52 pm:<Cliff> what I'd love is the ability to set an alarm so that I say let me know if last in >/< hi/lo of specified time period, in after-market = regular trading hours
5:52 pm:<fcat> I used to use an alarm for when a price occurred within .25 od a daily 50ma for example
5:53 pm:<Cliff> last is >/<
5:53 pm:<fcat> od=of
5:53 pm:<fcat> right mike
5:53 pm:<fcat> it became easier to just run a scan that looked for this
5:54 pm:<Cliff> thanks for all the input guys
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> you can do this kind of thing with a scan
5:54 pm:<LS_Bill> the alarm levels foreach symbol are called HIALARM and LOALARM in RTL
5:55 pm:<Cliff> OK, I'll do some detailed reading on scans and see what I can come up with
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> so you run scan to compute what alarm levels you want, and use SET(HIALARM, formula) in RTL to begin monitoring that symbol for that level
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> you can adjust the HIALARM and LOALARM levels any time of day you wish based on present conditions
5:55 pm:<LS_Bill> use a schedule to run a scan that adjusts your alarm levels
5:56 pm:<Cliff> so in addition to reading up on scans, Bill, what else should I be looking at to get this figured out
5:57 pm:<Cliff> if I'm understanding you correctly, what you're proposing actually does set Alarms at the scanned prices
5:57 pm:<fcat> do you think a cc set to color when a V# set to dayhigh +.01 becomes true would use too much resource Bill ?
5:57 pm:<Mike> Cliff I would ask maillist
5:57 pm:<fcat> on 100 instruments or so
5:57 pm:<Mike> I cna help you or others make a scan
5:57 pm:<Cliff> which sounds exactly like what I'm looking for Bill
5:57 pm:<Mike> how many symbols?
5:58 pm:<Mike> he wantes list saved though Cliff for later review?
5:58 pm:<Cliff> Mike, it could vary from day to day or it could be my entire symbol universe ~ 400
5:59 pm:<Cliff> if it varied it would just be those stocks reporting pre and post on that day that are in the ~400
5:59 pm:<Mike> i would do all with scan, variables and saved quote pages
5:59 pm:<Cliff> in latter case usually no > 25
5:59 pm:<Mike> then saved QP can use slide show to look at 10 charts fast even
6 pm:<Cliff> There's obviously a lot to this...
6 pm:<Mike> to test after close can use a time token
6 pm:<fcat> http://www.charthub.com/images/2007/02/06/TOPS.png
6:01 pm:<Mike> but then need to scan on intraday data and need intraday data for all symbols
6:01 pm:<fcat> take a look at this mike if you have a sec
6:01 pm:<Mike> neat fcat nice!
6:02 pm:<Mike> beautiful
6:02 pm:<fcat> what I need is the pre trigger and post trigger columns to chang backround color when the displayed price is hit
6:02 pm:<fcat> letting me know that the trade can be entered
6:02 pm:<fcat> this qp is usually minimized
6:03 pm:<Cliff> That's really cool
6:03 pm:<Mike> ok jsut test CL = trigger
6:03 pm:<fcat> that's is why I need the backround to remain colored
6:03 pm:<Cliff> how are you setting up pre and post triggers
6:04 pm:<Mike> or CL>= trigger then color background, and can send alerts dialogs, sounds anything really
6:04 pm:<fcat> just hi +.01
6:04 pm:<fcat> and HI.1 + .01
6:04 pm:<Mike> might need another cc to test CL>= triggers
6:04 pm:<Cliff> so your post trigger is high for regular session + .01?
6:05 pm:<fcat> right cliff
6:05 pm:<Cliff> and then your pre trigger is high of after hours + .01?
6:05 pm:<fcat> I use pre trigger to view triggers before the open
6:06 pm:<fcat> post trigger to view after
6:06 pm:<Mike> RATE was big today!
6:06 pm:<Mike> $rate
6:06 pm:<PitBot> RATE @ 44.47 +5.69 14.67% 1.77M Dec 30
6:06 pm:<fcat> probably a better way to do this
6:06 pm:<fcat> but I haven't figured it out yet
6:07 pm:<Cliff> fcat, how can we continue the dialogue here?
6:07 pm:<Cliff> I've got to go pretty shortly
6:07 pm:<fcat> yeah me too
6:07 pm:<Mike> Nuan up good today i see also
6:08 pm:<Mike> $ivac
6:08 pm:<PitBot> IVAC @ 22.57 +0.57 2.59% 1.25M Dec 30
6:08 pm:<fcat> I use this qp and system with daily data
6:08 pm:<Mike> your ivac quote appears off fyi
6:09 pm:<fcat> traded ivac post market tonight mike
6:09 pm:<fcat> repotred tonight
6:09 pm:<Mike> oh got ya great
6:09 pm:<Mike> you good man
6:09 pm:<fcat> iva at 28.20 right now
6:10 pm:<Mike> neat
6:17 pm:<Mike> Bill can a scan color a row or symbol somehow?
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6:35 pm:<LS_Bill> yes
6:35 pm:<LS_Bill> SET(COLOR
6:36 pm:<LS_Bill> IF (condition) THEN SET(COLOR, color-specification)
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8:27 pm:<Mike> fcat see that???
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